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Action on planning inquiries ‘could help stop another property bubble’

An Taisce said alleged irregularities at seven councils had not yet been properly investigated.

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Phil Hogan
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A HERITAGE GROUP has called for action on the disputed planning inquiries at seven county councils, saying that an internal investigation is not sufficient.

An Taisce said that planning irregularities had been crucial in fuelling the property bubble, and that proper independent investigations would help avoid the crash repeating itself.

A spokesperson stressed that it was not calling for more Mahon-style tribunals, and that independent probes could be carried out swiftly and economically.

The Government has been criticised for delays to inquiries into alleged planning irregularities at seven councils, which were called for by An Taisce in 2009 and later instigated by the Fianna Fáil/Green coalition.

Green Party leader Eamon Ryan accused the Government of “arrogance”, saying that the inquiries had been shelved. However, the criticism was rejected by housing minister Jan O’Sullivan who said internal reviews had been commissioned which would establish whether full investigations were necessary.

An Taisce spokesperson Charles Stanley-Smith said sufficient action had not yet been taken. “We don’t believe that it’s possible for an internal inquiry to do this. It has to be an independent inquiry,” he said.

The organisation has also backed the Mahon Tribunal’s recommendation that an independent planning regulator should be established.

What we want to ensure is that a lot of this stuff doesn’t happen again. There was bad planning in this country for years, and that was behind the boom. Everyone talks about light financial regulation, but light regulation in the planning area was part of it too.

An Taisce is lobbying the Government on the issue, he said. Environment Minister Phil Hogan is expected to announce plans later this month.

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Comments (36 Comments)

  • There was ‘light’ everything. Light financial regulations, light building regulations, light acceptance of bribes, light acceptance of corruption. Light everything. And now they think an internal investigation will do the trick, this isn’t even april fools day. We need an external independent investigation that will work quickly and efficiently, and won’t cost the stupid money of mahon.

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    • Indeed we do do. Note that An Taisce are labelled “A Heritage group” at the head of this article. During the property boom they were infamous for being anti-development. County councillors were regularly on the airwaves giving out stink about An Taisce’s unwarranted interference in the planning process. Had we only listened to them back then, instead of nodding like fools at the utterances of gombeen politicians…

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    • Heritage…wot heritage michael? Heritage is only seen as an obstacle to economic success and development in this country. In the words of somone…we don’t know wot we got till its gone.

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    • Paul 03/04/12 #

      And let’s not forget light inspection of fireproofing! In most countries you put in the fire-stopping technology and then you have to stop until it is inspected and approved before continuing with the build. In Ireland builders were allowed to continue and certification as given when it was no longer possible to inspect, just take their word for it. My dad used to work in fire-stopping and he’s had a look where I live….the fire protection here is useless! There are gaps all over the place and the rings that choke off sewage and water pipes are not fitted properly, they won’t cut off the air supply to any fire. if I speak up I’m in the same boat as priory hall, if not I’m risking death in a fire. Well done Dublin city council, and the rest of the local authorities in the country, for your excellent inspection of all these new buildings, you truly deserve €100 this year and €1000 next year from every home in the country.

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    • Yep. Went to Spanish point, Co Clare some years back. All misty eyed with hope that something of its historic maritime past would have been preserved. Rural/coastal bungaloid suburbia is what I found. Mist gave way. Eyes sore. Apologies to Clare. Just the first of many examples that come to mind…

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    • Well said paul. I know where you are coming from all too well.

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    • I’d totally agree we need an independent and cost effective investigation. We need to remember though that we voted for the policies of Fianna Fail repeatedly. They actually told us for the most part what there were going to do and then unfortunately they did it. So while finding corrupt individuals would be a good thing we all need to have a long hard look at ourselves.

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    • Keep looking at urself gary because I never once voted ff. It is unfortunate that so many people did but hindsight is no use so don’t try to blame the electorate for the corrupt practices that went on. The paying of bribes and passing of brown envelopes hardly went on in the public eye. And don’t try to land all the blame on ff either, the lot of them were at it unfortunately for us.

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    • Niamh. I didn’t vote for them either but obviously a lot of other people did. For me to accept what you’re saying though we’d need to believe the electorate had no idea that Fianna Fail was corrupt. The dogs on the street knew Fianna Fail was corrupt and they certainly had a good idea they were often inept. So yes I do blame the electorate and with good reason.

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    • Gary tbh I can’t even attempt to get inside of the heads of ff voters. They are just not my thing, fg either. But people did for wotever reason. We can’t change it now. But if we got a transparent independent inquiry, it might go some way to teaching us lessons for the future.

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  • As they were elected on a platform of reform and transparency I’m puzzled why FG are stopping these investigations! I’ve got that horrible feeling (again) that here we have another administration that have much to hide. If these local authority planning inquiries are ever independently investigated expect the full face of FFG to be exposed as the gombeen grifters they really are. So come on Mr. Hogan what is your Dept. hiding?

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    • 2 of the inquiries set up by the previous govt were in Carlow and Kilkenny. Just saying…

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    • This administration is all talk and no action and as Michael has pointed out, the original investigation that Eammon Ryan was implementing, just before they pulled out of the FF coalition, was going to look at planning irregularities in Carlow/Kilkenny which is Phill the black sacks Hogans consituency. As they say, actions speak louder than !!!

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    • It is useful to note in this respect the unseemly haste of our governing parties to get their legal lackeys into judicial appointments as a ‘spare card’ ‘case this situation and others like it gets free of their grasp.

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  • FG don’t want to open up that can of worms….

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    • Didnt the GaeLab parties hold the majoity of council seats while the FailGreen coalition were in office? Wonder what their councillors and politicians were up to while we all had are eyes on Lawlor (who BTW reminds me Phill the Hog), Burke, Aherne and .Redmond.

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  • Note to Journal, please take his head off the main image of the site, it’s genuinely depressing me.

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  • Just like with the banking fiasco and Seanie still running around free as a jackrabbit the powers that be don’t want too much stirring of the planning slop bucket – break the scum and who knows what’s gonna float to the top!
    An Taisce, like the prescient economists who predicted our faith, were just another thorn in the side of our glorious new dawn to be summarily discharged as a bunch of ‘belted earls’ who got in the way of progress.
    Local Authorities were always keen to keep one item of local infrastructure well maintained – the parish pump. Well oiled so the handle didn’t squeak too much!

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    • Isn’t it interesting that no-one has come on here to give out stink about An Taisce? How soon we forget…

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    • Heritage groups like An Taisce, The Heritage Council etc. only really caused a stir when things were stirring – back to the old slop bucket analagy I’m afraid Michael!

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    • I don’t know whether An Taisce are still causing a stir. Maybe what they have to say has become uncontroversial? There’s a lot more work needed to expose what was going on in local authorities across the country. Politicians, builders, developers etc were up to their necks in slop. Time to take off their armbands…

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    • I afraid An Taisce found the whole business rather lonely going while their erstwhile friends the Greens were rather snobbishly being aquainted with the slop bucket by their new Svengali friends.

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  • Oh so its no longer the dirty scumbag euro bankers who handed out the cheap money whilst they turned a blind eye to the mandatory afford ability testing. Seems like are deliberately ignoring the main culprits of the bubble. Here’s a suggestion. Make it law that a mortgage can only be calculated on one income per house. That will get the prices sorted fast. No more dual incomes with fictitious bonuses and lodgers and all the others lies they gladly accepted to maximize your debt. Bankers are as low as drug dealers IMHO.

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  • jrbmc 03/04/12 #

    You mean another tax not a plan

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  • There’s no doubt we need to look at planning regulations in this country. A complete overhaul would be good if you ask me.

    There definitely should be some investigation as to what has happened in these councils but I’m worried about these developing into full blown tribunals like Mahon costing millions to tell us not a huge amount. It really seems to be damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

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  • I know I’ll get all thumbs down for this, but ironically it’s a property tax that could also go a long way to preventing another property bubble

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    • Wouldn think so. €100 wouldn be enough to cool a property bubble.

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    • Property bubbles have happened where there’s property taxes, credit was the fuel. I do wonder though if property taxes had been present they might have hindered the oversupply of empties. It was too easy to buy property on credit and then a few years later try to flip it for profit and not pay any annual charges.

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    • Wasn’t 40k stamp duty enough of a deterrent in preventing a property bubble? Oh wait….
      Thats many many decades of home tax up front and it prevented nothing of the sort.
      FG clowns will spin it anyway possible to get the country to bend over more for them so they can continue riding us

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    • David is correct. Having the stamp duty money was like giving a bag of money to a crack cocaine addict. It was all so more-ish that it just couldn’t get spent fast enough. All the while the public cheered on the spending of this money as quickly as possible. If it was from a property tax it would have come in yearly and would have been spent yearly.
      People seem to forget that Fine Gael proposed spending restraint up to the 2002 election and got a hammering at the polls. Perhaps we should reflect on that.

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  • @Shiela. I am sure you have woken up from the last century or have lived a reclusive life as An Taisca have been the only ones shouting and screaming about septic tanks and one off housing etc. where have you been? You can join and as it is voluntary you could sign up for some useful work as you are very articulate.

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  • @ Michael,

    Where were An Taisce when all this planning around the country was happening. Why weren’t they, which I thought they would have been, watching planning in all Co Councils? Did they try and stop this madness when it was happening?

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  • His face looks like a nice baseball bat holder. Its got something about it that makes me want to drop a brick on it…… Oh right,that’s hogan,no wonder

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