Nowhere near the bus.

The bus had to jam on and he was oblivious, silly fool

I must be watching a different video. What I see is the cyclist cycling on footpath and then going onto road when the bus passes??nGranted he shouldnt be on the path

twas the vehicle that the recoding was taken from that had to jam on, I assume it was a Garda car.

Look at the video title, the issue was the cyclist on the footpath

From my watching of the video, I think the problem with the fella on the bike is the fact that he nearly took out a pedestrian that just got off the bus.

After another watch it looks like the pedestrian that had to avoid the bike was just walking down the footpath, not actually coming off the bus. Oh and it’s the bus doing the recording that he gets in the way of, not the one in front of him.

@js1711, was it u on the bike? it was was’nt it ;-)

@js1711

I feel that “Stephen Redmond” is talking about the one that the camera was on. On the up floor of the second bus! He’s lucky it was not raining, bloody idiot! Cyclists frighten the hell out me sometimes. They cycle like snakes through traffic, as do some motor cyclists. They think one can see them, but sometimes they are hidden for that split second by the door frame/body of the car.

Js1711 your the type of plonkers who get flattened by buses. He entered the road with signalling or warning. Not even looking to see if it was safe to do so….

But he’s wearing a high vis jacket. ;)

It could of been a high vis jacket with blood all over it..

Do you mean cars joining the motorway heading straight to the outside lane? I would normally move to the right at the on ramp to give merging cars room to join.

Or what about the people that wait until the very last second before cutting onto an off ramp while other drivers have got in lane well in time and queued up if there’s busy traffic

A bigger problem is the eejits already on the motorway who don’t move to the (empty) outside lane and allow people to merge. Or worse, who pace the merging vehicle obliviously.

fairly honest post but the fatal accident in limerick was an off duty garda and his standard of diving was not questioned. yes he had no tax and yes he had bald tyres, none of which contributed to the accident.

Well said Eoin

Oh, I forgot to mention the feckwitts in Bray County Wicklow who drive with two wheels up on the pavement at 30mph on Oldcourt-Park Road – they get nasty when you ask them to please not run you over. A special breed of moron. Kids have been run over, dogs squashed and still it goes on!

@Helen,

Sometimes I’m tempted to follow them, wait until they stop at the next traffic lights, get out, open their door. Turn off their engine and take their keys!

I’d say you’re one of those ‘Speed Guardians’ as well Sheila, the ones that sit in the overtaking lane of a dual-carriageway to dictate the speed of other vehicles as you see fit! Lol! You do realise that what you’re ‘tempted’ by with regards to taking the keys off another driver is tantamount to hijacking!!

@Nuffsaid thatsall

No actually, I know how to drive and follow the rules of the roads! I have held an Advanced Driving Certificate for the past 12 years! I am an excellent driver. Pity there isn’t a budget for extra gardai to be driving up and down all roads and have the authority to cease all vehicles breaking the rules/law.

If not extra gardai, a special force, that have full licences and/or advance driving certs that could have the authority to take these idiots off the roads.

I agree with your point on extra Gardai being needed, but jus outta curiosity, what’s an ‘Advanced Driving Certificate’??

@Nuffsaid thatsall.

Hi,

It’s a test that gardai and sales reps do. It takes over an hour. At some stage during the test, the driver has to give a running commentry on what’s around them to the tester. One has to see/notice everything, surface of the road, signs just past, etc. There is a lot involved in it. One’s insurance can be reduced a lot if they have the cert.

ah now Sheila youre telling porkies. the gardai no more do a one hour advanced driving certificate than the man on the moon. And from an actual advanced driver to another can you tell me 1. the system of car control as taught in an advanced driving course and 2. what litrature did you study during the course?

@Sheila

I think you may be mistaken about the gardai taking an “advanced driver course”. And not to belittle your driving abilities in any way but an hour long course doesnt seem like much of an advanced test. Who gives out these Certs?

Think the Guards spend a couple of weeks getting trained to a more advance level!! Think your hourlong sales rep test might not hold up to scrutiny Sheila!

I think Sheila means the ‘test’ is about an hour. You can get an advanced drivers cert for motor biking too, in the UK. And you have to give a running commentary to the instructor on what you can see, what you anticipate, what are the danger signs, even the time of day can tell you a lot about other road users, answer questions like “what were the last 2 road signs?” Very rewarding and makes you drive in a different way. It’s difficult enough to make you remember it forever..

Dave, you are wrong. gardai must obey normal rules of the road while on general patrol duty. only when in an emergency or involved in a car chase can gardai, break the rules of the road.
also I fail to see how you could possibly know the rules governing the police forces of the entire European continent. unless you are some European law maker with special interest in police driving practices.

@brian Doran , of course no European country has a system where their police force could not exceed the speed limits ,what kind of bullshit are some people here talking , I am just using common sense and logic , how idiotic would it be if criminals broke speed limits but police forces had to abide by them!!! …I hardly need to work for European police to be able to use a brain.

@Dave, if you had my comment you would have seen that I stated that gardai are allowed to break limits while “on a call” so to speak. however what irritates me is that gardai in general tend to speed regardless whether or not they are on a call. I was on the motorway last week, for about an hour and a half, on at least 4 separate occasions gardai sped past me as if I was stopped, on one of those occasions, the guard driving was on the phone. and how I can say for sure that they were all speeding is that I had my cruise control set at exactly 120kph. if these guards were on a call they would have had flashing blue lights which they are required to use to warn other road users of their presence so that other road users can make a decision as to how best to not obstruct an emergency vehicle “on a call”. when this happens I don’t gave an issue with trained and qualified garda drivers, driving as they see fit.

if you had my comment you would have seen that I stated that gardai are allowed to break limits while “on a call” so to speak. however what irritates me is that gardai in general tend to speed regardless whether or not they are on a call. I was on the motorway last week, for about an hour and a half, on at least 4 separate occasions gardai sped past me as if I was stopped, on one of those occasions, the guard driving was on the phone. and how I can say for sure that they were all speeding is that I had my cruise control set at exactly 120kph. if these guards were on a call they would have had flashing blue lights which they are required to use to warn other road users of their presence so that other road users can make a decision as to how best to not obstruct an emergency vehicle “on a call”. when this happens I don’t gave an issue with trained and qualified garda drivers, driving as they see fit.

Yeah I got that Brian , you have a problem with the Garda driving and I don’t , the forum is showing some of the idiotic drivers on the roads , I don’t see the Garda as part of our problem but part of the solution…..

exactly Sheila i was talking about the video that came from the bus behind the number 4. that’s were the near miss occurred the driver of that bus had to jam on coz the cyclist came out from the junction in front of them.

It’s not bashing and whining Dave but thanks for reading.
They’re not examples of idiots either, they’re examples of criminals, caught mid-crime according to our expert posters here.
What a high-speed pursuit of some random drug dealer has to to do with road safety for your average Joe Public going home from work on the M50 rather escapes me…

Sorry dave, meant to hit the green thumb hit the red by mistake!

I’m confused now Mark, are you familiar with the case!?! Fail to see how you know that the offending driver could be ‘drug fueled’! People do stupid things & fail to stop for Police all the time! It could also be panic, another side of poor driving!

Makes a change Mark. Did you finally fill out that enormous firearms renewal form yet?

I know this will be wasted on you but here goes. Interesting video. I know that road and here’s what probably happened – the two buses overtook the cyclist and stopped. The guy on the bike has a choice of stopping, trying to pull out into fast moving traffic to pass the bus or going on the pavement. He probably took the safest option.

All this agonising about cyclists is just childish. Dublin is a small city that was never designed for cars, but has had cars imposed on it willy nilly, leaving no good alternatives for other road users. That’s the root of the issue.

“he probably took the safest option” dude to are thick!! He ploghed down the path as someone got off the bus!! A feckin granny by the looks of it. Man i cant be arsed replying to you anymore. You lack serious common sense. I just hope im never within a mile of you and your bike..

There’s no point defending the indefensible. That cyclist should *absolutely not* have been on that footpath. Assuming that your sequence of events is correct and the 2 buses overtook him and pulled in immediately. Not likely, given their size, speed and the general quality of Dublin Bus drivers, but let’s say that’s what happened. The safest option was not to hop up on the footpath. The safest option was to stop behind the bus or to pass it if it was safe to do so. I pass buses like this, probably 5 to 10 times a day and it’s perfectly safe when carried out with proper observation and care. This guy was pure careless.

“Plogh” on Joe. Isn’t it ironic that you try to call me thick while demonstrating your inability to communicate coherently?

What law is that now, is that one of those makey up laws people pull from the top of their hears when they don’t have a clue what their on about. The rules of the road are the rules of the road, no exemptions.

Peter are you suggesting to take one hand off the steering wheel then create an obstruction of your view by playing hide and seek between your thumb and the car in front. I’m pretty sure the rules of the road require 2 hands on the wheel.

If you are suggesting you “drive” along obstructing your view with your thumb, then I suggest you require help. Alot of people don’t understand the 2 second rule or count too fast.

It would be interesting to see if you would pass a driving test giving the thumbs up every time you approach a car in front. In the wet the required braking distance is double so how do you suggest we judge that using your thumbs up procedure.

Your right Gary, double the distance in the wet, use two thumbs! Getting a rise from that?
I passed my tests (truck/bike/car) a long time ago and I never used the thumb. It’s a simple trick to establish a safe distance (dry!) at an appropriate time.

That should be especially true for cyclists. Pay no tax, cycle all over the road and fly through traffic lights. Maybe cops should hide behind bus stops and tax collect cyclists. would double their revenue

Good Call Finbar. There was outcry in the UK when this first came out (riots the lot) so they changed the name from poll tax to council tax. It covers bin collection, libraries, recycling centers, playgrounds, road cleaning parks, care in the community and Police – A shed load. It’s scaled on the size of your house so quite fair but it’s about £100 a month! Mind you it does a lot of good and I don’t mind paying it. You get nothing for nothing in society.

Finbar, you will find it is a health and safety issue. Garda cars should be fitted with hands free sets. The ear phone given by mobile companies, place a small object into the ear. (Not on the ear) in an accident the users ear drum, may be punctured. HSE/A ( whatever neck of the woods ur in) will run a mile in these cases. Using personal equip etc. In the work place. nnKit out their bangers properly and then there will be no issues.nnIn the UK police must be on a call (shout) to exceed the speed limit. Numerous police drivers have been prosecuted for speeding while driving on duty. This leads to the practice of … Some one else can go. nnMost Garda, Fire and Ambulance drivers are very well trained..nnLeave well alone …nnnnn

there on the roof

if youre gonna comment on the law in public LEARN IT

Oh look, how unique- a Garda Basher. They protect you every day Mark and most of the time you won’t even know it.

He’s hardly a Garda basher, he’s just asking how it is acceptable for a Garda car to be going so much over the limit…

Garda don’t have to stay below the speed limit , how would that work ?

Well unless it’s a high speed chase (which I didn’t think it was in the video) then they prob should keep to the speed limit…

Or maybe they were following the offending vehicle for several minutes with a pattern of poor driving being displayed until he iced the proverbial cake with his last manoeuvre! By the looks of things he was up slip road for Coolock & gone where Gardai couldn’t safely follow!! We only saw a partial clip!

I’m not Garda-bashing totwit, and I have a pretty good idea of what they do, thanks for the assumption.
I’m pointing out that this was a selected and deliberately released video, chosen to illustrate road safety, and the car doing the filming is speeding in one of those areas where the speed limit is entirely appropriate.

i suppose Ryan they’re not really going “over the limit” as the limit does’nt apply to them in that situation

Then why not choose a different video? We all know that there’s no damn shortage of stupid driving incidents to choose from in Ireland, why not pick footage of one where the filming car isn’t breaking the speed limit?

But sure traffic gardai have far more driving qualifications than you or I and I agree they were probably following it for a whole before hand

Then why not choose a different video Aarum?
If this was a pursuit, it’s hardly going to be a good example to use when talking about ordinary drivers being stupid (which is what causes most of the accidents out there).

Mark you have a valid point but to be fair to the gardai in this video I would think they were in pursuit of this car. Im guessing this car was trying to avoid going in the tunnel but it was being driven irratically before this & I think these garda had it spotted. It really does not show the whole event.

If they’re in pursuit Mjhint, the speed has an obvious justification; my point isn’t that, it’s why did someone pick out a video showing pursuit driving as a cautionary tale regarding ordinary driving?

It’s like trying to teach someone to read using ballet…

Mark Mark Mark they picked them 4 videos for whatever reason they decided. You watch a car chase through Dublin city and you focus on the fact that the police are going over the limit.

Ryan decides that if its not a “high speed chase then the police should obey the speed limit”.

Maybe ye dont understand what the police are attempting to do in a situation like this!!!!

The car chase is the fourth video johnny, I’m talking about the third one.

the third video is also a pursuit Mark. if you look at the video at about 11 sec you will see the marked garda mondeo that prevented the focus from giving the car with the camera the slip. and to be honest it was a good bit of driving to force the focus into the tunnel.

leaving the fact that this was a chase aside, its an everyday hazard, drivers cutting across other drivers at the last minute and i would think that thats why this video was used.

…and we’re right back to my question johnny; if this happens all the time, why would you pick out *this* video of it?

Should we pick out a video of a heroin addict passed out in the middle of the street as an example to everyone about how not to follow the rules of the road? Or a photo from the Titanic dining room as an example of how not to dress for dinner?

This is meant to be a PR campaign for crying out loud, not a random dump of the month’s funniest fails on youtube.

Mark the video was published to highlight the danger of last minute lane changes cutting up other drivers nothing more nothing less.

Would you think they should have released a video of a drug addict passed out in the street to highlight this type of driving or maybe a video containing footage of the type of driving.

If you watch the video and are influenced by the speed of the police car then…..

Oops we’ll not be able to tail this car anymore as we must keep under the limit. Mark your a funny bloke…

Mark the video was published to highlight the danger of last minute lane changes cutting up other drivers nothing more nothing less.

the third video is also a pursuit Mark. if you look at the video at about 11 sec you will see the marked garda mondeo that prevented the focus from giving the car with the camera the slip. and to be honest it was a good bit of driving to force the focus into the tunnel.

leaving the fact that this was a chase aside, its an everyday hazard, drivers cutting across other drivers at the last minute and i would think that thats why this video was used.

Excellent your right if the other driver is breaking the law why hasn’t the Garda stopped the Vehicle! End of.

Fair play johnny, that was a good spot to see the other marked patrol car in the 3rd video

Well mark it’s just as well you are an EXPERT in law and what the gardai should and shouldn’t do. I guess the drivers of the gardai cars aren’t advanced drivers and I suppose they aren’t supposed to drive at a speed deemed safe and appropriate according to their training and what they see acceptable as they are supposed to do. Oh and it’s good that you now the circumstances they were in before the video started(like already on the way to an emergency call before they caught this on camera). Thanks for let us all know what they can and can’t do.

I think it’s quite obvious that video 3 is not a chase and the guy/gal driving the focus is either missing their exit or doesn’t want to pay the toll. the perceived “garda car” that comes into view has nothing whatsoever to do with what is going on in the video and it is purely coincidental that it has shown up at the end of this video, bearing in mind there is nothing to suggest that it is a garda car, if it was, and it was involved in a chase here then why are the blue lights not flashing? the other point which I feel pretty much proves that it is not a chase is the caption on the video, “changing lanes” where as the next video specifically states that it is a chase. either way gardai are like each and every other one of us. if they are not en-route to an emergency or in a chase which they are not here, they are required by law to stick too the rules of the road. maybe thejournal.ie may be able to get clarification on this which would put this debate to bed. also while it is at it, maybe thejournal.ie could find out are the gardai allowed to use mobile phones while driving or smoke in their cars which are their work place while on duty and public service vehicles. also, who polices the gardai on the roads? is it a case that we need to make a complaint to the ombudsman? I’m not a garda basher by any means, and admire the work they do for the most part, but i do feel that the law should be the same for all.

emergency services vehicles are exempt from the speed limit when in the course of their duty, to ensure a satisfactory response time, amoungst other reasons… I’m sure u can appreciate this, as you and I would be well glad of the fast response time if we ever needed to call them.

What records!? If you’re going to claim something like that, back it up!

So we have something like over 6000 collisions on the roads a year in total , a couple of hundred deaths , something like 200 000 speeding fines issued , and u list 4 examples in four years and try claim that we have a problem with Garda drivers….can you back up your claim with proper figures

now finbar tell the people who was at fault with the accidents you mentioned

Now that is funny.

Finbar, how many have been killed due to Garda error!?! I don’t think there’s that many!

kildare people arent arseholes

how many? you havent a clue

@finbar

Just for your info there have been no people killed by Garda cars in the last few years. Now try to prove me wrong.

Here’s one anyway
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210647/Garda-watchdog-Supreme-Court-case-patrol-car-crash-killed-Mary-Seavers.html