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PHOTOS: 14 police officers injured in Belfast protests over Union flag

A group of angry protesters clashed with police outside Belfast City Hall last night as the council voted to reduce the number of days the Union flag flies outside the building.

Image: Peter Morrison/AP/Press Association Images

A COUNCIL DECISION to reduce the number of days the Union flag flies outside Belfast City Hall was met with anger by a group of protesters last night.

The group, many of whom were shrouded in Union flags, clashed with PSNI officers during an hour-long protest in the city.

Police confirmed that 14 of their members were injured, as well as two security guards and an Associated Press photographer. Two female PSNI officers were hospitalised but their injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

“A club came down on my hand as I was taking pictures and caught my finger really bad. It was right on the camera trigger. There’s blood all over my camera,” photographer Peter Morrison said in an interview from his bed at Belfast’s Royal Victoria Hospital. He suffered a head wound and a broken finger.

“The police appeared to be panicked and thought they were going to be overrun by the crowd. They were shouting and screaming at the crowd to get back in the street.”

Belfast City Hall flag debate

Violence spread momentarily into the nearby neighbourhood at Lower Newtownards Road, with bricks and bottles being thrown at a Catholic church. A bus was also hijacked.

Crowds dispersed at about 10pm but police remained in place in the Albertbridge Road area.

Britain Northern Ireland Flag Protest

A spokesperson for the PSNI said, “There is no excuse for vandalism and thuggery in a democratic society. This is not the imagery that Belfast needs at a time when economic conditions are so difficult.”

An investigation has been launched with police stating that those responsible for the violence will be brought to justice.

Britain Northern Ireland Flag Protest

About 1,000 Loyalist demonstrators protested outside the City Hall as council members voted 29-21 to remove the Union flag from the building for all but 17 designated days each year. The British flag has flown continuously from the city hall’s dome for more than a century but the change brings the policy in line with what happens at Stormont, where the Northern Ireland Assembly and Executive meets.

During the unrest, gates were smashed, staff cars vandalised and fireworks tossed at police. Many of the rioters concealed their faces with hats, hoods and scarves.

Britain Northern Ireland Flag Protest

While Sinn Féin and the SDLP argued for the removal of the flag to create a more neutral environment in the city, unionist councillors argued against it until the compromise was reached.

“This is a very hot issue. Flags cut to the core of people’s identity and their belief system,” said Christopher Stalford, a Belfast councilman from the Democratic Unionists. He contended that most Catholics wanted the British flag to stay atop city hall.

Sinn Fein’s Gerry Kelly dismissed that idea as fantasy. He accused the unionist side of seeking confrontation and the police of mounting an incompetent security operation.

Kelly said the crowd “indiscriminately attacked cars. We are very, very lucky that they didn’t get into the building or we could have been dealing with a lot more injuries.”

Pictures: Paul Faith/PA Wire/Press Association Images

-Additional reporting by AP

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  • Protesters? Sounds more like headstrong bigots to me.

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    • Also, Christopher Stalford (DUP politician) is dreaming when he says most “Catholics” want the butchers apron flying atop the City Hall.

      Flying that flag is a terribly divisive thing. Taking it down is the proper thing to do. Fair is fair.

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    • Glen 04/12/12 #

      Dodge, you epitomise the point I was going to make. By using the terms ‘bigots’ and ‘butchers apron’ you are creating the very division you criticise. It seems you want an end to division by advocating a purely Nationalist point of view, one that excludes any Unionist sentiment at all. The ethos behind this mode of thinking (Nationalist good, Unionist bad) is in itself sectarian.

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    • Glen, your wrong. Your connecting two things that aren’t there.

      If I was pushing an agenda, I’d say put the tricolour up in its place.

      I’m just glad to see the flag coming down. Your analysing my comment too deeply, just take it for what it is.

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    • Glen, if they are not bigots and wanted Belfast City Council to respect the Union flag then why did they “respect” the Republics Tricolor by burning it and then attacking a Catholic church? What has a Catholic church got to do with flying a flag? Why should Nationalists even listen to these Loyalist thugs when they are outside burning the flag that Nationalists see as a symbol of their identity?

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    • Has anyone suggested flying the flag of Northern Ireland as a compromise!?!

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    • No, the “flag” of Northern Ireland is another royal “Ulster Banner” which also creates division. The north just needs to steer clear of flags of any description for the time being. Peace is more important than symbols.

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    • I hope in my lifetime, that we never share this island with those kids up north

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    • mary 04/12/12 #

      Don’t worry we can’t afford a united Ireland at this stage….may I suggest a completely NEW Northern Irish flag??? Remember what the colours on the Tricolour represent?? Maybe the North could do something similar?? Only an idea…we have to keep going forward not keeping s**t going the younger generations deserve better…I’m 31 there didnt seem to be a single night of news when I was a kid that someone wasn’t shot knee capped or a bombing reported…so we have come a long way…more to go…

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    • Thing is, there is no official flag of “Northern Ireland”.

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    • Thing is, there is no official flag of “Northern Ireland”.

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    • Your or You’re…..

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  • Yup…I’ve seen this triumphant attitude clearly on display when I lived in Glasgow. Waving flags in peoples faces just to annoy and antagonise certain members of the community. These scenes of mob rule have set Northern Ireland back once again.

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  • Protesters don’t riot, thugs riot,

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  • If 15 days is good enough for Stormont then I don’t see why 15 days isn’t good enough for Belfast city Hall.

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  • Thought the Yucatan asteroid of 65 million years ago took out the dinosaurs?…….they seem to be alive and well in Belfast

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  • Don’t think the use of the word Protestant in the article is appropriate. The rioters were there because of their pro-Union/Loyalist delusions, being Protestant is coincidence.

    Overall, a progressive step forward by Belfast City Hall. Maith iad.

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  • Just another day in tolerant Northern Ireland then, it is good to see they have put all the feuding of the past behind them.

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    • Pierce wise up
      have you been to the North lately, you couldn’t compare the place to how it was 15 -20 years ago. We have moved on, there will always be thugs. They are everywhere, usually people on the dole with to much time on their hands, there are very good people in both Protestant and Catholic communities. Very good people !

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    • Thanks for the advice Helen.
      Yes I have been in Northern Ireland recently about 2 weeks ago and you are correct it is different than 20 years ago. Gone are painted curb stones, gone are the 20 foot murals of terrorists, gone are the sectarian marches, gone are the armed police service you could go on and on. Things are better, and looking for an outside position real change is happening, but why is it that when things like this happen or when a prison officer is killed on his way to work is it not a surprise.

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    • Pierce if you stood in front of a class of 14 year olds they are shocked at everything that happened here most of them never heard of the IRA or UV F thank God.

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    • Pierce2020 ” Gone are painted curb stones, gone are the 20 foot murals of terrorists, gone are the sectarian marches, gone are the armed police service ”

      Don’t know what part of NI you went to but it sure wasn’t 165 Newtownards Road or Tigers Bay or parts of Portadown etc. As for an unarmed police force, look at the second last photo and tell me that isn’t a side arm the the policeman has in a holster.

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    • That’s my point Brian, the people of Northern Ireland should be applauded for the changes they have made but to make out like everything is different now is just wrong. In the words of Bertie, “a lot done and a lot more to do”.

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  • why don’t they fly both flags

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  • Will they never sort this dump of place out. And they wonder why there are No jobs, no infrastructure, no investment! no sweet FA!

    - Ban all flags/emblems which cause offense to people in public places be it union jacks/tri-colours
    – We need to break down this state of apartheid.
    – Educate our children in mixed schools where emphasis is on education not religion. The children are the future … forget about changing the mind sets of the existing bigoted generations they are too far gone for help. I have long given up hope that they will ever change, damaged goods if you ask me!

    Its almost 2013 seriously sort it out!

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  • The old journal police are really clamping down when you can’t even quote Father Teds views on Protestants without having your comment removed.

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  • underlining loss of power!
    plus bored teenagers most of them, any excuse for a riot

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    • Looking at the pictures last night and today it wasn’t bored teenagers but people from about 25 up. This wasn’t your usual Saturday night “let’s throe some stones at the peeler’s” sort of thing. This was the ugly face of middle aged, lower/middle class Unionism.

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  • Yes they’re knuckle-dragging bigots.
    But in much the same way as you can keep an angry chimp happy by throwing it a banana, why not let them fly their bit of coloured cloth if it will keep them on behind closed doors where they belong?

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  • Damocles 04/12/12 #

    It’d be nice if NI could be gifted back to the rest of Ireland because it would save on a massive security bill. But that security bill is also the reason it can’t be. If there wouldn’t be massive unrest and a huge bloodbath and the people there wanted to leave the UK then it could happen with a minimum of negotiation. But that’s not on the cards right now.

    The vitriol being displayed by some in these comments only serves to confirm that.

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  • The problem is both sides are as bad as the other, the hatred and bitterness still runs deep. There is a deep mistrust..old.wounds still haven’t healed and probably never will fully. Maybe the flag of St Patrick (neutral) alongside the Belfast City Flag might appease the masses. This was purely a move to rile the other side up knowing exactly what reaction would be. It’s akin to telling the Nationalist Community to remove the Irish tricolour from GAA grounds and Nationalist areas in order to make places more neutral. Some common sense before this motion might have avoided the scenes we saw last night.

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    • It’s a wonderful cop out to claim they are all as bad as each other. The loyalist community have no real leadership and are struggling like wild animals to hold on to their perceived position of privilege. Both sides of the divide have their rump but one is alienated the other is utilised and riled up by middle class unionists politicians.

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    • I agree with your comment for the most part. The major difference is that something like a government building is supposed to represent everyone. I’m not trying to justify it but, I can understand how the GAA can be viewed as nationalist, just as Orange halls are viewed as unionist.
      All government buildings in the north should be free of political symbols. Same goes for the PSNI. I remember when they were forming the police force and they were trying to come up with an emblem that “represented everyone”. They added a harp and a crown. They could have avoided the whole thing by ignoring those symbols and just use something else independent of political affiliations. I know I’m going a bit off topic here but I’m trying to connect all the dots.

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    • @Oisin. I stand by what I said, they are as bad as each other, they both cannot stand or tolerate each other. It’s not a cop out, It’s what I believe. You are assuming every Catholic in NI is a Nationalist. They are not. Look at two high profile personalities. Rory McIlroy and Graeme McDowell. Both Catholic, both Irish, both British…both would be considered middle class. I think neutral symbols are the only way forward in public buildings, that way nobody is “offended”.

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    • Toorkeel
      There was only one side there last night ! There was no one else there rioting at the council offices . They behaved like bold out of control children who were not getting their own way . The level of violence displayed last night is disturbing and showed these bigots for what they are …

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    • Eileen.

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    • Toorkeel
      Yes ? What was it you wanted to say ?

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    • Eileen. Last night’s scenes were disgusting to say the least where police officers were hurt and property was damaged.. Equally disgusting is the recent behaviour of masked Irish tricolour yobs in Belfast a couple of months ago. Violence is wrong, no excuse for it. I believe that neutral symbols on public buildings should be a suitable compromise as I said earlier. That’s it. Common sense is what’s needed not provocation from either side

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    • Toorkeel
      Like wise armed and masked men at a recent funeral in Dublin is disgusting , frightening and intimidating yet they are not what is being discussed here . These thugs on the streets of Belfast last night is most definitely from that side of the divide who were mirroring the attitude and bigotted behavior of some of their political representatives in the council offices last night. There were NO Tricolors there and surprisingly few scarfed or masked faces too. Maybe they have less to fear from prosecution than others…. ? I agree , common sense is what is needed , but I fear ,like a screaming tantruming (is that a word:) child they could not hear sense .
      Another frightening aspect to their behavior is the number of young children there and women …. Very bitter scenes .

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    • toorkeel 04/12/12 #

      I never said there were tricolour wearing yobs there last night. The mind boggles. There are bigots on both sides who will never be appeased, that’s my point. Common sense and compromise would have avoided last night’s scenes. I don’t actually know at this stage what I’m debating with you Eileen so ill sign off on this one…..see you at the next one!

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  • Question! Would the unrest have happened if there was better communication? Often, the lack of information can cause passionate people to act inappropriately.

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    • Marlon Major
      Yes ,communication is the key here and we have come a long long way from the days of bombs and barricades and guns, thanks in the main to proper communication …. It is like Lannigan’s Ball up there , I stepped out and he stepped in etc…or two steps forward and one step back. We also must remember that conflict means money to certain people which they may feel is too difficult to let go or give up !!!

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    • Good point Eileen!

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  • Northern ireland is part of the uk why can’t it fly its own flag the tri colour is foreign and belongs to ireland. As for a Compromise so for its only the british giveing look at the childrens play park in newry named after an ira murder and so why can’t we remove the tri colour from dublin to make british people feel more welcome as you say fair is fair you wouldn’t go to america and tell them they can’t fly the stars and strips

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  • No bigots on this site – just ordinary people who hate anything to do with Unionism or Protestantism.

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  • why not ulster flag?

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    • No flag in NI has any legal significance apart from the Union Jack since 1972, when they got rid of the Ulster Banner (the one that looks like an English flag with the Red Hand on it)

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