247 million and they will not show the people of this country the tapes while they paid for them .t.his stinks with corruption is there no end to it in this country ,they keep taking the people for fools

Releasing the tapes would be bad faith as the people being taped would have been given an undertaking that these recordings would never be released.

This would also have a negative impact on any similar future investigations.

Don’t talk rubbish man! “Bad faith” surely engaging in corruption and bad practice by those being investigated is far worse than upsetting these crooks by letting the public (who are paying for the circus in the first place) see what has been going on and what they are getting for the millions of wasted euros. The Mahon tribunal is a tax payer funded tribunal and the people of Ireland have every right to demand that whatever comes of it is open and transparent and if that upsets the likes of Bertie Ahern then all the better. As for negative impact on future tribunals? any future tribunal should be open to public scrutiny and those called to attend should be under oath to tell the truth on pain of imprisonment, it’s about time these crooks were made accountable for their misdeeds and the sooner the better these secretive and closed fiasco tribunals are done away with then the sooner the Irish people will get to see what a rotten shower those who profess to serve the public really are.

Donal
you are opimistic …. ”future investigations ”…. Do you know something the rest of us don’t know ?

Firstly, just because a tribunal is tax payer funded doesn’t necessarily mean that the tax payer gets access to everything.

That logic means that everything in Laffoy child abuse tribunal should also be made available.

Secondly, it is bad faith to say you will not do X and then go ahead and do it. You can’t interview people, tell them that the camera is just for “internal use only” and then release the tapes, no matter who they are of.

This would mean that if the State were to conduct any future investigations like this, people could refuse to take part as the State had acted in bad faith in previous investigations.

If you don’t get this you really need your head examined.

OH I get it alright . Its a case of the state looking after its own even if they are the opposition .

Comparing Child sex abuse cases is just a typical tactic at emotional manouvering. Of course sex abuse cases should always be held in camera. what a ridiculous comparisson.

Ahearne and co, deserve to be outed properly .

It’s got nothing to do with the State looking after ‘its own’ – whatever that means.

I hope Ahern gets his deserved place in history as a lying crook but I also hope that this State will always act in good faith. Nothing of substance is being concealed here, the transcripts are being made available (unless there was an in camera session).

Even 10 year old children know that two wrongs do not make a right.

It means Donal dirty politicians looking after dirty politicians . Two wrongs do not make a right .so why are the tapes being kept secret ? You say ” I also hope that this State will always act in good faith” .Donal you are sadly too late to hope this…. or badly deluded . This State represented by the present government ,have done nothing but u turns and carried on the shennannigans of the last government.

Well said .

No there wouldnt. There isnt a patriot among us. Prove me wrong – considering what has happened already and the lack of balls the people have. We cant even be bothered to support a half arsed attempt to get noticed outside the Rothschild’s Irish Central bank.

Unfortunately you’re more than likely correct. We seem to have an unlimited capacity for absorbing lies, humiliation, abuse, theft, and all manner of other degradations.
If the tapes aired, the few people left in the pubs of an evening nowadays would grumble a bit more, and a bit more loudly. Joe Duffy’d get a week out of it, and things’d go on as “normal”.

How, exactly, are they?

Ah now lads , leave poor Bertie alone shir the poor Fucker hasn’t a bob .

How?

By being thoughtless, careless, selfish, me, me, me, me, me, look how great we are!

Not a thought of the plight of Priory Apartments residents, the ‘sit in’ in Cork by the employees, the number of people STILL on trollies and hard chairs in hospitals, arriving with chest pains, broken limbs, etc., the tears of parents of specials needs children, carers of parents, sisters/brothers, nobody being made accountable for anything. Do I need to go on?

Yeah great but what has that got to do with this tribunal?

From what. I have heard McCreevy still calls him Taoiseach.

Just out of curiosity, what do you think of Nelson Mandela? He has an awful past too.

People can change and everyone deserves a second chance. Some day you might need one yourself.

I’m no Shinner and quite frankly I don’t support any party.

Derek,

People need to be reminded that he did not bring peace, nor did Adams. They were around the table that you or I or for that matter, every other Irish citizen could have done the same. It was the fact that that penguin was in Government at the time of the talks that he was there. He/they are just names. They didn’t do it personally themselves. I hate when the media reports on things like this. They didn’t bring peace personnally! I wouldn’t have minded if two ordinary tax payers, you, I whoever, from the south and one northern Ireland citizen were around that table. Maybe we should have been.

Anyway, don’t be under the illusion that Aherne did it all and he deserves a medal. He doesn’t and neither does Adams. They just happened to be there at the time. We brought peace, the people, the gangs, IRA, INLA, UVF, and all the others. Hopefully, please God it will last.

Bertie the peacemaker? Give me a fu€king break! If bertie thought he could make a few bob out of conflict he’d look the other way. 247 million wasted to establish half of what the dogs on the street knew.

Thats right Derek.. just like George Bush deserves a break for ridding the world of Saddam Hussein.. oh wait.. 40,000 Iraqi civillians died in the process. Not to mention 3000 americans. Bertie did good work in the North to be sure but the ball was already rolling and it far from makes up for the destruction of our economy due to his idiotic stewardship..

Derek although I see your point it is not strictly true. Ahern along with Haughey robbed this country blind for years. When Haughey was in power Ahern gave him blank cheques and when Ahern took charge he wrote his own. This man has no morals at all and is laughing at us all. How could a man like that be interested in a peace process for the good of others when he does not have a decent bone in his body?