Family Home Tax could be a game changer.

I hope so Sean but I would not hold my breath

Not a chance Sean. It’ll take massive action by public service unions to force change, however this government will be more inclined to back down than resign. They’d rather go after the weakest members of society than put it up to the big boys. The low paid and social welfare recipients will just resort to using the black market even more than they already do to survive. I’m amazed at how much money can be saved by avoiding going into shops for even basic necessities. If only I could find somewhere that sells cheap electricity and diesel! Meanwhile Irish retailers are closing down every day, as the vicious circle continues. The government are prepared to sit back and watch an economy die, just as long as they don’t have to tax their wealthy friends.

As long as they don’t have to go with out also, they haven’t suffered many cuts, and could all well afford it

We don’t protest enough .
Not enough protestors and not for long enough.

No we re elect them

But we don’t protest like the mainland Europeans…. If we did they would listen, believe me…
We are more concern about organising protests with carnival masks, matching bands, clown outfits and children’s face painting… Of course you do know that we are the ones wearing the clown outfits…..

So true David.

And your solution to the economic crisis is?

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2.
Economics: A thriving society, truly free to meet our own needs, to exchange voluntarily, to build prosperity, and to take care of each other and the environment without coercion or aggression.
Danger : The current economy has been taken over by a rigged system that benefits a few at the expense of most. Not only in Europe but virtually the entire world economy is verging on free-fall collapse, taking the well-being and lives of billions down with it.
Opportunity : We have the power to change our economic system and allow it to work for everyone. There are well-developed and brilliant ideas for how to create truly thriving economies.
The Economics Sector is perhaps the most important one of all to transform because the way the money system works directly impacts each and every person’s job, home, family and community. Creating centralized banks, a system that requires debt and makes up money out of nothing, has allowed the international banking elite to gradually turn almost the entire world into a population of debt-slaves. Exposing and eliminating this system – and replacing it with an honest and open one – can provide the critical turning point toward creating a debt free Ireland
3.
Education: Students are free to pursue the type of learning that most appeals to their interests, passions, and needs.
Danger : Our schools are failing and government mandated education forces everyone to learn the same and often useless material despite the unique interests and learning styles of each individual. The curriculum is designed more to serve the purposes of corporations and the government than those of the student.
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DANGER: Involuntary government violates your rights, creates war, and funds itself and its actions with your money…all without your approval.
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Media: Everyone has access to a wide range of diverse and accurate information from sources that are transparent about their funding and which include in-depth analyses and honest debates about controversial issues.
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11.
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12.
Spirituality: Every person is free to experience directly his/her own unique sense of their inner spiritual nature without coercion or suppression.
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Plagiarism Toirleach? Waffle swiped from Thrive website.

You asked for a possible solution.

Is there anything you don’t like about the plan?

@Patrick how about an all out general strike a mass civil disobedience and if needs be a riot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance

And your solution is?

Well it certainly is not pushing your citizens into poverty, 272,000 children in poverty in Ireland how can their parents pay water charges and prop tax their children will go hungry, 1in 4 can’t pay their mortgage, how will they pay prop tax, take food off the table I guess, but look your right they are doing a great job, not looking at any alternatives if they don’t like the oppositions alternatives, get your well paid advisors to come up with some. But look let Enda and the bankers, push more and more into poverty while they live in LUXURY on salaries some well above 100,000. Great to see there are people out there who think what they are doing is alright, get a grip.

Julie that is not a solution. That is merely Shinner type waffle. The party of no substance followed by people of no substance. Anybody can criticise.

Hey Patrick. The solution is quite simple really. Tax the wealthy! Refuse to pay illegal private bank debt, then invest in our offshore energy reserves. Use our educated workforce to manufacture Irish goods that can compete with anything foreign economies produce. And that’s just for starters.

All opposition are wrong according to you, and the government and what they are doing to people is right, you will find more and more people would disagree with you. Ah Patrick you didn’t understand what I was saying ah bless, okay I will try again if they don’t like the oppositions alternatives then come up with their own, but oh wait, typical FF,FG gov have not even tried looking at alternatives like they never tried getting a write down. Why. Just going along with their orders from the eu and being the best boys in the class. Patrick to be honest the only people I see waffle are them bunch of idiots when they get asked a proper question that should be answered. There are top economist, trend forecasters, ex wall street bankers out own irish economist who predicted this bust saying austerity will not help the economy recover and we are already in unattainable levels of debt to GDP, we didn’t listen to these people before look where it got us, so why are we not listening to them AGAIN and listening Enda instead. I have no idea.

Unsustainable * not unattainable

Julie more waffle you have not put forward one idea. Speaking to Shinners is like speaking to parrots. Noise without sense. Try and be positive.

Now I am no economist, they are available to TDs, decrease the burden on people already in poverty an debt, cut TD salary and wages, way too extravagant for a recession we cant afford that, demand debt to be written off, split sovereign and banking debt, prom notes, Michael Taft said not paying the prom notes would have no massive effect, but I guess he just a waffler too like everyone that goes against what your gov are doing. Cut high paid public sector and pis* off away from our front line staff, introduced a wealth tax, only people who see anything wrong with this are the government. Where I work we have a few of the local business men who use it as their local, these people would be VERY wealthy and have said they could afford to pay more and that they hadn’t noticed any difference to their wage and an increase in tax wouldn’t make a huge difference in their quality of life compared to someone on 17,000 . That pretty basic, reduce the number of county councillors, look into selling our natural resources for a better deal than getting a bit of tax that can be written off against 100% of cost (Norway) Invest that money into domestic economy not like all these new cuts and taxes are going partly to pay toxic illegal bank debt, every country has to pay their sovereign debt but we need to negotiate a bit and not just say yes sir and do as we are told.

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Let’s be blunt, the solution must involve moving towards socialism.

Patrick — Do you enjoy being a serf?

What’s your solution, more of the same failed policies is it?, anything has to be better than what we know isn’t working (ie austerity)

I do not have a solution. It is that simple.

And your solution to the economic crisis would be?

@ Patrick – exit the euro, default on unsustainable debts (sovereign, corporate & personal), reduce fuel taxes, reduce VAT rates, allow floating currency enact necessary public service wage reductions & reduce private sector wages to increase competitiveness through natural devaluation. Vastly reduce barriers to entry for pretty much every industry in the country (realistic rent reviews, less punitive bankruptcy conditions etc.), create a state bank and allow domestic banks fold – state bank can offer liquidity to the market; once we see economic growth foreign competitors will enter the market. After approx 12 months we can expect to see economic growth. Well, that or austerity I guess, but austerity works right?

My first solution would be more productive trolls, ones who don’t repeat themselves ad nauseum, I would also encourage these trolls to build up muscle strength in their arms so they could push hard against the arse of Fianna Gael and eventually, remove their heads from it

I read somewhere that it was ok to try and change a government if you had guns and bombs.

Bulgur (also bulghur, burghul or bulgar) is a cerealfood made from the groats of several differentwheat species, most often from durum wheat. It is most common in European, Middle Eastern, andSouth Asian cuisine. The word bulgur is of Turkish origin.

So em, nope.

Hugo would you be able to copy and paste a solution to our economic difficulties please?

Well….The name has been explained as deriving from the Turkish “bulga” (mixed), referring to the mixed race that the Bulgarians represent. This seems likely, since the Bulgarians are believed to have originated as a Turkic tribe of Central Asia, and travelled west of the Volga to integrate with the Slavs of the Black Sea coast. So, not as clear cut as you would pretend there Hugo

Sure if you knew the answer tom why did you ask?

And paddy get a haircut. Hit a nerve yesterday didnt I.. no doubt you will now hate me till the end of time. Seems to be your way in life..

Fair point Hugo, it was an off-the-cuff remark, thanks for the info anyway. it’s good to learn something new everyday.