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Cameron to hold talks on Scottish independence

Cameron will travel to Scotland on Thursday for a meeting with the country’s First Minister Alex Salmond about Scottish independence.

British Prime Minister David Cameron
British Prime Minister David Cameron

BRITISH PRIME MINISTER David Cameron will hold talks with Scotland’s leader this week on plans for an independence ballot, his office said today, with the two expected to wrangle over the timing of a vote that could break up Britain.

Cameron will travel on Thursday for a first meeting with Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond, whose party has long campaigned for Scotland to leave the United Kingdom and go it alone for the first time in more than 300 years.

Salmond hopes to hold the referendum in the autumn of 2014, likely in September. A “yes” vote would lead to independence and a May 2016 election for the Scottish Parliament.

With opinion polls showing that only about a third of Scots currently favour splitting the nation, Cameron and others opposed to independence are pressing for the vote to be held earlier.

Scotland and England united in 1707 to form Great Britain, but Scotland gained significant autonomy after voting in 1997 to set up the Edinburgh-based Scottish Parliament.

Its legislature has autonomy over education, health and justice and can make minor alterations to income tax. However, London retains primacy on all matters relating to Britain as a whole — including defence, energy and foreign relations.

The other nations of the UK also have administrations with some limited powers. Wales voted for a national assembly in 1997, while the Northern Ireland Assembly was created to provide cross-community government in the province under the US-brokered Good Friday peace accord of 1998.

Salmond held initial consultations with Michael Moore, the British Cabinet minister responsible for Scotland, in Edinburgh on Monday, acknowledging there are “key points of disagreement” between the two sides.

Britain’s government and Scotland’s administration also differ over whether 16- and 17-year-olds should be entitled to vote and over what question should be put to Scots.

Alongside the choice to accept or reject full independence, Salmond has suggested the ballot could include a third option, backing increased autonomy and additional tax-raising powers for Scotland’s government.

“There is no question that we still have some way to travel to reach agreement on some important aspects of the referendum,” Moore said following the talks.

“I am still not convinced that the people of Scotland should have to wait nearly three years to have their say on independence,” he said.

Moore suggested that a vote could take place in 2013 and insisted Britain’s government opposes the idea of adding a third option of increased autonomy to the ballot.

“An independence referendum should be a straight question on independence. Whether Scotland should be part of the UK is the issue we are dealing with,” he said.

Salmond joked that his scheduled brief talks Thursday with Cameron are similar to the British leader’s calls on his counterparts during overseas trips.

“Courtesy visits are usually what prime ministers do to foreign heads of state — I don’t know if that’s what Downing Street meant to imply,” Salmond said.

Salmond insists that full independence, which would create a sovereign country of 5 million people, would bring greater prosperity and allow England and Scotland to better pursue their own national interests.

He has pledged that an independent Scotland would keep Queen Elizabeth II as head of state.

- David Stringer

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Comments (11 Comments)

  • The Disunited Kingdom of…………

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  • “With opinion polls showing that only about a third of Scots currently favour splitting the nation” – where did you get that statistic from? Are we (AP) using outdated material? The latest polls show far more support in favour of Scottish independence than one third of the population. According to Bloomberg, backing for Scottish independence stood at 47%, with 53% against (Jan 27th – Feb 1st). According to The Huffington Post, support for independence stands at 37%, while those in favour of the union stands at 42%, with 21% undecided. If we remove the undecided, then support for independence stands at 46.8%. A Sunday Express poll showed support for independence at 51%. These are recent polls and show either AP’s laziness in factfinding or a deliberate attempt to manipulate the situation in Scotland.

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  • Maybe Northern Ireland might try for Independence yet so they can rejoin the Republic where they truly belong. Viva le Republic

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  • Now that the North Sea oil is almost depleted, there’s no longer a barrier to Scottish independence. Time for mother England to jettison Scotland and her social issues.

    Scotland could have been another Norway.

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    • Actually Rónán, I think you’ll find that North Sea oil is not almost depleted. Approximately only half the oil reserves off the Scottish coast have been extracted. There are still another c. 25-30 billion barrels of oil left to be recovered over the next 40 years (that’s $2500 – $3000 billion, or in figures, $2,500,000,000,000 – $3,000,000,000,000 worth), according to the BBC, the Daily Mail (I know!!), and Herald Scotland saying there are still 40 years worth of oil left.

      Regarding the social issues, Scotland’s health service consistently posts better results than its England & Wales counterpart, as well as being more accessible. Education is more affordable. I think you may be confusing Scotland and her social issues with Glasgow and her social issues. Yes, Glasgow is part of Scotland, but the majority of Scotland is free (comparatively speaking with the rest of the UK) from such issues.

      Added to its fossil fuels, Scotland also has enormous renewable energy resources in tidal, wave, inland hydro and wind power – enough from renewables alone to power the entirety of the British Isles.

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  • Well, I think it depends on what currency an independent Scotland would have. Could it seriously keep sterling with the bank of england setting monetary policy for England, Wales and northern Ireland ? I very much doubt so. It would probably have to introduce it’s own currency or the euro if remained within the EU. Either of the last options would increase the likelihood of a no vote. The vast majority of scots don’t want to abandon the pound sterling or join the euro.

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  • Eh, where did my comment go? I posted a comment showing how the AP’s figure of one third of Scots wanting independence was simply outdated. Three polls at the end of January/start of February 2012 showed 46.8%, 47% and 51% respectively want independence, figures that are much higher than the one in three suggested by the AP.

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  • I’m not sure why a few have down thumbed my last post. Surely the euro has now shown us that we cannot have fiscal union without political union. If Scotland does go it alone it cannot keep sterling, it would have to introduce it’s own currency, or it wouldn’t be independent of London.. Otherwise if it did decide to join the euro it would have given up their hard won sovreignty straight away. Dicsuss !!

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    • Carl – ignore the thumbs. Personally, I think people use them as decorations or something. Regarding Scotland and the prospects of independence. Typically, when a country gains independence from another country, the seceding country generally maintains its previous currency, at least for a while (see South Sudan which still uses Sudanese currency, although a new South Sudan currency is due to replace it soon; Abkhazia, which uses the Russian ruble, even if it was actually part of Georgia; Slovakia, which continued to use the Czecho-Slovak koruna for a couple of years after independence; Ireland, which continued to use the British pound in an Irish format – similar to the Manx pound, Guernsey pound, etc. of today – until 1928, and remained in monetary union with the UK until the 1970s; etc.) Regarding the euro, there are three ways this could go, the first two of which I’ll mention now: Scotland could unilaterally adopt the euro as Montenegro, Kosovo and Andorra have done, or they could enter into negotiations with the EU and adopt it as part of a bilateral agreement, as Monaco, San Marino and the Vatican have done. It should be pointed out that if Scotland does break from the UK, it will automatically be considered outside the EU. Scotland, if it wishes to join, will have to enter into negotiations to join the EU. It will NOT automatically become an EU member. If it does then gain membership of the EU it will be required to adopt the euro (the third method of adopting the euro from above) as its currency under current EU rules (Romania and Bulgaria are also required to adopt the euro pending the transformation of their financial and economic state of affairs, but previous members, such as Poland, the UK, Sweden, Denmark, etc. are not required to join the euro).

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