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Catholic newspaper predicts Ireland will have just 450 priests in 2042

The church is preparing for a time of priestless parishes.

Priests and pilgrims at the Eucharistic Congress earlier this year.
Priests and pilgrims at the Eucharistic Congress earlier this year.
Image: Julien Behal/PA Wire/Press Association Images

THE IRISH CATHOLIC newspaper has predicted that there will be just 450 priests serving in Irish parishes in 2042.

That figure, reached by examining imminent retirements and current ordination rates, offers a stark difference to the 1,965 priests serving across Ireland’s 26 dioceses right now.

Only 12 men entered the national seminary in Maynooth to begin their training in August and the drop off rate is usually quite high – sometimes up to 50 per cent. The president of the college said “massive changes” will be necessary within the church because of a lack of priests.

Deputy Editor of the newspaper Michael Kelly said that the result of such a significant decrease in manpower will mean hundreds of parishes will be left without a priest. The figures have been described as “very worrying” by senior figures in the Catholic Church in Ireland.

Currently, there are 32 priests under the age of 34 working in Ireland – just 1.6 per cent of the total number of active priests.

Last month, TheJournal.ie reported that bishops are currently drawing up plans for parishes which could see laypeople lead Sunday services for the first time.

Described as a “radical action”, the proposals are to be discussed at a meeting of the church’s hierarchy in October.

Earlier: Catholic church preparing for priestless parishes>

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Comments (84 Comments)

  • A start would be to let them marry! Celibacy should not be mandatory, I’d say there are many potential priests who are totally put off by this. Having said all of that, I personally have no time for the catholic church, but everyone is entitled to their own beliefs!

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  • Just wondering if women could do this job?

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  • I don’t understand why the church still doesn’t allow women and married priests its pretty obvious that if it doesn’t change soon it will die.

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  • “He’s not supposed to see his reflection Ted, he doesn’t know he’s a priest!”

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  • Barry 08/09/12 #

    I’m not in anyway religious and I’m very upfront about it, I don’t believe in any religious faith…however I will say that if it helps to get somebody through life and hard times then so be it as long as their faith does not infringe the rights and well being of others.

    A few years back I went to a friends kids christening in a protestant church, after years of attending events at a catholic church I will say it was a interesting experience,

    When the minister said it can be difficult raising a child you knew he was speaking from actual experience because he had kids, later in my friends home I got talking to the two ministers that attended the service.

    One a women who wasn’t married yet and the other who was a man who was married with two kids. It was refreshing to be able to just talk to both of them like normal down to earth people.

    They didn’t have any nonsense airs or graces about them and infact like any other married man the minister was having abit of a laugh about how he’ll have to do something special for valentines day to make up for it for his wife wife as he has an event to attend thats already booked. All normal everyday conversations that anybody would have.,

    I remembering commenting to them at the time that I thought it was such a shame and it was so sad that catholic priests will often tell people how hard it can be to raise a child or how difficult it can be to go through lifes experiences such as relationships and marriage yet they will never ever be able to talk from any experience so they actually haven’t a clue.

    Its clear and evident that the church has made alot of massive mistakes and not having priests that can be normal everyday people that can choose to be in relationships or not is certainly one of them, that and without a doubt women should be allowed be priests,.

    The whole celibacy thing goes against every natural instinct of every single species on the planet earth and it is in no way normal, at the young age many people joined the priesthood years ago they didn’t know their arse from there elbow (who does at say 18-19!!).

    But it was made so hard for them to leave and such crap would have been caused about it if they did that they ended up in a twisted unnatural existence even if they didn’t want to be in it anymore.

    This created a very very unnatural situation for so many and its clear that this may have even attracted some very twisted f*cked up people into the priesthood, between the power and it gave and the access to children etc.

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    • tl;dr

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    • Great point. It is the very drive towards celibacy that contorts the natural order of things. Celibacy is like telling the body it can’t go to the toilet anymore. it is insanity of the highest highest order. Catholicism is insanity. Faith is just a reoccurring thought. But each to their own.

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    • @Barry the RCC claims the Bible has equal weight with their tradition.
      The hierarchy missed the bit where it says “it is better to marry than burn”.

      They also missed the bit where it says “it is the doctrine of devils forbidding to marry”. From a Biblical point of view, enforced celibacy is straightforwardly evil.

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  • I guess it’s not easy for many to leave the priesthood. I’m sure the Roman Catholic church doesn’t provide a voluntary redundancy package . What can they do when they leave? Especially if they’ve been priests , nuns and brothers for many years and have no specialised skills ? These people must need a lot of support from families and friends. Thats if their left with any . I admire anyone who has held such a position in the RCC and has recognised the corruption and crimes committed against children by that institution and and have the courage to leave. For those that stay however there will always be the stigma that they are still supporting an organisation that protects and facilitates the rape . Torture and abuse of children. Having said all that I’m sure there are many who left the organisation because they were involved in these crimes too for those I hope that they will pay severely for their crimes.

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    • (no relative of Tonys)… Good points, well made Tony! Most Nuns and Brothers tend to be highly educated as teachers, lecturers, nurses and usually have managment experience, so can find jobs alright or have good pensions from the Dept of Health or Education. However, diocesian Priests tend to be unskilled beyond priestly duties and knowledge and would be like ducks out of water if they left. From my experience with Brothers/Nuns, I find that most are disgusted with the leadership and hierarchy, but are hanging on in there with the hope of change (not saying that will happen).

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    • and as someone who has looked after elderly nuns – they amount of them who are on anti depressants is staggering, not to mention those who have lost their minds entirely ( I nearly got stabbed with a kitchen knife by one mad old nun, and the same old nutter used to hit everybody who came near her)
      A vocation is clearly not good for mental health – where is their god to mind them?

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    • You’re right Michael, some did have good management and teaching experience. But its not all academically deserved. At the Bons Secour nuns if you were from a rich family you were automatically given a job as a nurse and rose through the ranks at an accelerated rate – sometimes to good effect, sometimes to bad. Very bad, where nuns were in positions of power they didnt have the faculties to do the job at all – this i believe led to abuse of all around them because they had no other way of wielding their power.
      The nuns who came from poorer families went to the kitchens and laundries to work – regardless of apptitude.

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    • Interesting comments Dave & Michael. Priest and nuns staying in the church hoping things will change it’s like someone stuck in an abusive relationship and afraid to leave.
      The attitude in the bons was probably typical throughout the country and typical of the kind of cronyism and nepotism which unfortunately is so ingrained in our culture.

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    • Name and shame the bad ones to protect the innocent . Like they do on this website http://www.bishopaccountability.org database of accused priests.

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  • I’d say that’s being optimistic…

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  • sara 08/09/12 #

    Like other posters have said its time to change things let them marry if they wish to and celibacy should not be mandatory..

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    • Celibacy was not mandatory, did you not see the news for the last few years. They are nit allowed to marry as that has financial implications. All they care about is the money.

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    • “The idea of Catholic celibacy is especially foolish when you realize the reason behind it. Before the middle ages it was allowable for Catholic priests to have multiple wives and mistresses (concubines). But with concerns for protecting Church property from inheritance Pope Pelagius I made new priests agree offspring could not inherit Church property. Pope Gregory then declared all sons of priests illegitimate (only sons since lowly daughters could not inherit anyway in society).”

      http://www.libchrist.com/bible/catholiccelibacy.html

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  • Liam 08/09/12 #

    Only 450 priests in 30 years? I don’t think that is too optimistic. In the 1980’s there were three priests for every church, today there is one priest for every three church’s, they only have themselves to blame, the way they handled the abuse of so many children for decades, their narrow-minded views on contraception, their opposition to gay marriage, are just a few things that they have gotten wrong.

    And on the issue of people attending church, is this not hypocritical because as it is written in the bible( you know that book that Catholics are supposed to read ), it states the following: Matthew 6:6 “But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.” What is the point in going to church if you are instructed to pray in private?

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  • The idea that a group of celibate fundamentalists can provide a moral compass for the people of Ireland is slowly being behind left in the dark corridors of its own disgusting history……..

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  • Mark 08/09/12 #

    I wonder what the rate of pay is? They should advertise more don’t they know there’s a job shortage!!

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  • Self fulfilling prophecy and entirely their own doing… I can’t imagine men are lining up to join a profession that’s gathered a reputation for molesting and abusing boys and covering it up?

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  • People sometimes talk about the good priests and all the work they do.
    I often wonder what exactly do they do.
    I heard from a friend whose mother was in an old peoples home and the priest would visit the patients regularly. She was not a believer and no matter what she said he would not leave her alone.
    The priests and members of the active laity are given the freedom to come and go to old peoples homes and pester the residents even if they are not practising catholics.

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  • Good riddance. Don’t let the door hit your arse on the way out of our country.

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  • Instead of we sending missionaries to Africa they will be sending missionaries here.

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  • There must have been an awful lot of Mammies around the country filling in the census form for you lot!

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  • While I’m sure this may upset some people, this does not bother me at all. Wouldn’t bother me if the number was 1,000 or just 5. I just don’t care at all. I have never taken an intrest in religion and never will. The constant disgusting scandals cannot be helping. Don’t tar all with the same brush though.

    I think most of the country will have the same thought as myself…. We don’t care.

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  • If the RCC wants to survive then it should fall on its own sword name and shame all those who perpetrated violent sexual crimes on children and those that covered it up. So long as they remain anonymous then all clergy are suspect. Name and shame like some victims have done stateside . see the following website which lists clergy and includes a miniature dossier on those who have been accused of sex crimes http://www.bishopaccountability.com how else can you know if your local RCC PP is not a threat to children

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  • Still too many.

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  • That’s generous

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  • The sooner that poisonous organization perishes, the better.

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  • That’s 450 too many

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  • As things stand right now Catholicism brings nothing but disgust to my mind. If it is to survive, there would have to be a complete shake up from the top down. Why is anyone surprised by the low level of young men entering the priesthood? I’d go as far to say that if we didn’t have the unemployment levels that we have, there would be even less interest. Until the church is completely rid of the perverts, and the hierarchy that protect them, I for one will never let my children get within 100 yards of a priest.

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  • Sounds optimistic to me ! And oh no ! Not lay people leading the services … The sky will fall down !

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  • “Dat would be an ecumenical mattur”

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  • gina61 08/09/12 #

    i think its time to let them marry id they want to i believe then there would be many more priests

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  • Paul 08/09/12 #

    450 too many!

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  • OU812 08/09/12 #

    That must be almost cult status

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  • This is awful news! The catholic church has done so much for our country….. Oh no wait… They protected evil men and women that raped and abused children…

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  • The church is dying in this country- from a self inflicted wound. I new age of truth and rationality is upon us. If I could twist the knife, I would.

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  • I was hoping for a smaller figure. Thousands have left the priesthood obviously many of them have been enlightened to the corruption of the institution.

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  • Wonderful photograph attached to article. How seriously can you take grown men dressed in female attire wearing party hats?

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  • 450 too many

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  • Don’t worry,
    the invisible sky fairies will fix it all

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  • Still 450 too many!

    Good riddance to them!

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  • Good

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  • The majority of the work done by priests is unseen and usually only acknowledged by those directly involved. In most parishes where a priest remains he will be on 24 hour call 7 days a week.
    In parishes throughout the country where there is no priest this has caused considerable distress to the faithful and plans for services led by the laity on Sunday will not be well received.

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  • The predatory glee with which some people greet this prospect is very unappealing.

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    • Sorry, should have read nowhere near as un-appealing.

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    • Predatory. Now there’s a word I can easily associate with some members of the RCC. I say some not all but as long as the hierarchy continue with the denials, cover up and collusion they are all guilty by association in my view.

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    • Rommel, I agree whole heartedly. I must also add that I’m not tarring all priests/ members of the RCC with the same brush. There are a lot more compassionate, hard working, excellent priests than here are pedophiles. I think like in a lot of situations, the “power” that the hierarchy had/ have, has gone to their heads.

      As regards guilt by association, they could always say they were “just following orders”. Now where have I heard that before……

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