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So the Children’s Referendum has passed – what happens next?

The Yes vote has been passed, but issues could remain around turnout, Saturday voting, and whether the result will be challenged.

Ballot boxes are opened in the Childrens Rights Referendum count at CityWest in Dublin
Ballot boxes are opened in the Childrens Rights Referendum count at CityWest in Dublin
Image: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland

THE CHILDREN’S REFERENDUM has passed, and the result has been overwhelmingly welcomed by politicians and groups.

With a low turnout of 30 per cent, provisional results show that the Yes vote was 58 per cent while the No vote was 42 per cent.

So what happens next?

When Fine Gael’s Director of Elections for the Children’s Referendum, Minister Leo Varadkar TD, welcomed the Yes vote, he noted that a number of other things should follow on from this.

He explained:

It is incumbent now on us as a Government to follow through on this historic decision by giving practical effect to the children’s amendment. This will include passing legislation to bring about equality in adoption law, enhancing child protection laws, the closure of St Patrick’s Institution, and the reform our family courts, among other measures.

The Houses of the Oireachtas has proposed to amend the Constitution 30 times prior to today, with the first amendment taking place in 1939 and providing for a state of emergency to secure public safety and the preservation of the State in time of war or armed rebellion.

Other referendums that passed covered issues such as the European Economic Community (1972), adoption (1979), the Maastricht Treaty (1992), the death penalty (2011), and the Nice Treaty (2002).

Challenge

No campaigner John Waters said earlier today that there could be a challenge to the vote, if the referendum was passed. Though no announcement has been made yet, this is still a possibility.

Last week saw a Supreme Court ruling which upheld the Mark McCrystal challenge to the Government’s website and booklet on the referendum as being “not fair, equal or impartial”. This could continue to be an ongoing concern to those in power – and those who opposed the passing of the referendum.

Also earlier today, Dearbhail McDonald, the Irish Independent’s Legal Editor, predicted “huge sighs (of) relief” in the Government if the poll is passed, considering their “blunder”. It remains to be seen if those sighs are replaced with sharp intakes of breath should the referendum result be challenged.

Turnout

The very low turnout of 30 per cent is sure to be a concern for the Government going forward. Children’s Minister Frances Fitzgerald described it as a “democratic issue” and said that turnout is a big issue.

The low turnout could be blamed on a combination of a number of factors:

  • The day
  • The lack of political opposition
  • The campaigning
  • The fact it was a referendum

Referendums traditionally have a lower turnout than elections, so this would partly explain the turnout. But the issue was further complicated by the fact that the referendum itself had overwhelming support from the government. This lack of conflict within the government was one of the reasons Children’s Minister Frances Fitzgerald said there was a low voter turnout.

In late October, an Oireachtas Committee even had to call off plans for a formal Yes campaign event after fears that it could breach the McKenna Case Supreme Court ruling, which found that it was unconstitutional for the government to use public funds to campaign for a particular vote in a referendum, as this was “an interference with the democratic process and the constitutional process”.

Finance Minister Michael Noonan took the step of asking RTÉ to reconsider its usual protocol of ensuring equal prominence and airtime to both sides of the debate, but we showed how both sides would get 50/50 coverage.

Still, there were complaints from the editor of Alive magazine that campaigners on the No side did not get a fair hearing on various media, with some broadcasters allegedly choosing to use some campaigners more than others.

Saturday voting

Will future referendums be held on Saturdays? One person who wants them to be is Fine Gael TD for Dublin North Alan Farrell, who feels weekend voting is so important that he has introduced a Bill to the Dáil to legislate for it.

He said this is on the basis that it will have less impact on public services and schools, and that it allows the opportunity for students and people working away from home to engage in the democratic process.

Tánaiste Eamon Gilmore said today on RTÉ Radio that the government was “conscious that [Saturday voting] was something that was relatively new”, and that the government may have to look at it again.

He added:

It may well be that people’s voting pattern works better with their working pattern than it does with the routine families have on a Saturday.

Earlier this month, the Tánaiste said that the future of voting on a Saturday would hinge “to a great extent” on yesterday’s turnout.

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Comments (82 Comments)

  • Very bad turnout . . . .

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  • until the goverment totally reform the hse this amendmant means nothing.. they can not even look after the children in their care now!

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  • the referendum was passed. so basically they change the old law to the new law and don’t enforce the new law like they didn’t enforce the old law!! god I love democracy!!!

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  • Varadkar’s commitment to legislate can only be met by skepticism until it comes to pass. Successive Irish governments have pandered to populist movements until it comes time to act, at which point political apathy paralyses any decision-making process which may result in any major shift in the societal dynamic. Twenty years after the X case there is still no legislation on abortion in Ireland, though its legality is provided for in certain cases by the constitution at the behest of the people.
    Our political system is fundamentally flawed. The only viable political entities are hobbled by an archaic legacy of historical values so that policy keeps going around and around in circles while the big issues, the issues of advancing and bettering Irish society, are not mentioned. Power in Irish politics is not a means to an ends, but an ends in itself – the parties do not seem to have a mandate beyond the fact that they have always been the dominant force in the Irish political landscape.
    I do genuinely believe that the Children’s referendum is inherently a good thing, which is why I voted in favor of it. But agree or disagree, I sincerely hope that most of you will agree with me in recognizing that the referendum is a distraction, an attempt by the government to be seen to make progress. Irish politics needs at the very least a new dynamic to disempower the old legacy politics and allow Irish society to break out of the doldrums of political apathy.
    I don’t want to write an essay and this isn’t the forum. If you’re interested in this concept, more at http://www.perspectivesbyjack.com.
    -J

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  • So Lisbon was *passed*…
    What happened next?

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    • What happens next. Well if you say bad things about corrupt politicians or bankers publicly then you will probably be threatened with having your kids taken and nobody will ever know it. The Jimmy Saville types hiding in the child welfare system will be very horny today at the imminent fresh supply from the upity masses.

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  • If the world wasn’t headed in the direction its going and if this wasn’t a UN directive i would be happy with this result. But it is.

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  • alan 11/11/12 #

    Next thing we do is cut more services for children and add a few more dozen to the 198 that have died in state care in the last 11 years. Sure we’ve a great record of looking after the weak and neglected in this county. All our children are saved now hurray

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    • First it was peer pressure to vote yes in a one side campaign and now it’s a totally fallacious campaign conducted by the Government who had all side of the a house on their side plus all the main Organisations for Children’s rights and you call that an untruthful campaign. Please get over it !

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  • We don t need a bunch of amendments we need a new constution. one that protects the rights of the people and not the “the most high god” or ministerial pensions and privilage. …. This referendum was a waste of time and money,even more jobs for the boys.

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  • I’m pissed off I voted yes, 4 hse officials just stormed my house and took my kids, the tin foil hat crew were soo right..

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  • So now we wait for legislation and policy changes etc.. How long will they take? And was there absolutely no way that they could have been sorted without the expensive referendum where it was pretty much peer pressure to vote yes as there wasn’t much going on the no side..
    We’re waiting 20 years for them to legislate around the last referendum on abortion.. So what’s to say this referendum will be acted upon in the way that it was presented to the public?

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    • Peer pressure to vote Yes in a secret ballot. Give me strength for the outpourings and rants of the misguided and fools amongst us!

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    • Perhaps you read that wrong.
      Both sides: Yes and No, had completely fallacious campaigns, the no campaign attracted a few more loonies who chucked in some ridiculous straw men and undermined themselves completely. The Yes campaign implied that if you didn’t vote yes that you didn’t care for children – which is not true.

      There was a very low turnout, perhaps because of this notion it was a foregone conclusion. Perhaps because people weren’t bothered to read up on it themselves. Perhaps because some misinterpreted the court finding the government misused public funds with their advocacy of a yes vote (a few people took this to mean that the yes side had lied).

      It was a farce from start to finish, which is why I wait for the legislation and continue to wonder would that not have been easier and cheaper to do than plastering our towns with expensive bits of emotional blackmail..

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  • JakkiB 11/11/12 #

    The issue of bias state run media needs to be addressed, Thank god for the internet!

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  • Waiting for someone to challenge the result!

    The government acting illegally changed my vote, and that of my partners. We felt we could no longer support the YES side as the democratic process had been intentionally tampered with.
    As this referendum is pretty inconsequential in my opinion, I’d prefer to see the result challenged. There ought to be a consequence for the government acting illegally in and around the changing of the constitution.
    The government have shown utter contempt for the Supreme Court and keep mentioning the High Courts findings as if they have any baring on the matter. The Supreme Court supersedes the earlier High Court stuff.

    The courts are one of the pillars of democracy and, imo, it is extremely important that when going to referendums or elections the government stay within the law. I guess they’ll get away with it, but that means they’ll do it again.

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    • I couldn’t agree more!

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    • Nonsense

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    • It’s no wonder you call yourself Maladjusted…and you acquired that name from your father !

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    • Get over yourself Mala-fecked-up
      The government website was a bit one sided – do you really think that changed anybodies opinion? Really?
      It was one website – there was the referendum website plus plenty of debate from the loony no side and less loony no side and yes side in abundance – anybody who could access the one sided offending government website could surely access all the other information too.
      The supreme court decision was a side show and nothing more.
      You Lost

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    • Dave,
      It’s not about access of information in any way whatsoever. (and I was going to vote YES, so I’m not quite sure how I “lost” in your opinion)
      It’s about the government using public money to fund a one sided campaign. They are well within their rights to advocate a yes vote. What they are not allowed do is use €1.1 million of public money to do it.
      The government had two options 1) Leave it to the Referendum Commissions to disseminate impartial info, or 2) Use non-public money to advocate a YES.
      As I said,imo, this referendum was fairly inconsequential anyhow. However, if the government gets away with this illegal behaviour, without any consequences, my worry is for future referendums. Not only did it have misinformation, but, afaik, the Supreme Court considered that the governments non-impartial info could be confused with the Referendums Commissions impartial info, as they are both claiming to be impartial….. Causing confusion for citizens (as with the Fiscal Compact government leaflet)
      Why does the government feel it needs to do the Referendum Commission’s duty too. Even if the governments info had been impartial it means we’re basically paying for the same information twice.

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    • This bears out what I think – that many of the No votes came about not because of opposition to the amendment, but in response to the ruling on the Government website – people wanted to punish the Government. And even despite this, there was a resounding Yes vote, so I cannot understand the idea of people wanting to overturn the result! And yes, anybody who wanted to find out about the issues had plenty of information available to them, although I will grant you it would have taken a little time to study it, and more time to go to the polling station and vote. Those that took the time to do this have cast their vote and the result is yes.

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    • Guess your right there Michelle.
      Nobody can really claim that it would have been a NO. What I’d really like is for the government to have a consequence for it’s wrong doing.

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  • mart_n 11/11/12 #

    I voted no myself but I’m not at all bothered by the final result. I still doubt it will make a blind bit of difference to the people that it’s actually designed to protect.

    When the report into St. Pat’s was made known to authorities many senior members of the Prison Service scoffed at it, and vast swathes of the general public condoned it because they believed that certain people deserve whatever they get. A constitutional amendment doesn’t mean anything when those charged with protecting people are reluctant or just not bothered to fulfill their duties.

    The HSE know full well the people responsible for not ensuring that children in its care did not go missing over the last decade, yet have any of them been fired yet? Why do people think that an rewording of a dusty, outdated constitution will make any bloody difference?

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  • Now we must await and see how the Judiciary ,collectively , interpret cases and what principles will apply. They will be basing their decisions (amongst other factors) on reports from social workers and psychologists who will seen children for a very fleeting (in real terms) circumstances. A difficult task indeed.

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  • Lets face it, this whole poxy issue is the least of our worries.

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  • alan 11/11/12 #

    Seany Breen looks like your Fine Gael mates were egging them on because according to them they were not spending enough, we took on nearly €60billion worth of sub ordained debt that you and me didn’t borrow, oh and your a plank

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  • Cutbacks are next, the budget. We have the laws and not the services, thanks to our Government!

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    • @Stephen – Actually, it’s thanks to a generation of Fianna Fail voters who kept the party spending every cent they could get, including massive borrowings, in order to pander to the “gimme gimme gimme” attitude of the voters that we are now facing cutbacks and withdrawal of services. The same people who themselves were spending every cent they could get, fueling a massive property boom, credit binging and in doing so, plunging themselves into a lifetime of overinflated debt that they’re now pointing the finger at everyone else for.

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  • Biased referendum

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    • @Kevin – Actually no, the only bias was in a few leaflets distributed by the Government and a website that nobody even looked at.

      The information made available by the Referendum Commission wasn’t biased, the proposal itself wasn’t biased, the way it was written on the ballot slip wasn’t biased.

      So in essence, you need to stop crying over the loss and move on.

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    • @Seany to be fair it *was* €1.1 million worth of information&website

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  • This referendum should be null and void.The turn out was too low.

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  • a sad day for irelands children. middle class ireland voting away working class children into state care. we are a nation of cowards who never learn from history or past mistakes. suffer the little children…for shame…for shame

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  • What happens next? You decide, that’s right you the people decide, from looking at the ars fheis bolax, the Waterford protest yesterday along with Athens and numerous places across Europe it looks like we have a revolution on our hands. We need to stand up! Look at the mass rallies in Spain and France and Greece! We are just sittin here loosing money feeling sorry voting on useless referendum after referendum. Well I’m not gona sit by, I’m mad as hell!!!

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    • Mick 11/11/12 #

      Kevin, Seen as you seem to think that the turn out was too low for it to be passed, its best you educate yourself first, then you can go protesting about what you feel is wrong with this country. It better to know the facts before you go with more spoofing

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    • @Kevin – Work away there son. When you’re arrested for being the lunatic that attacks the Gardai outside the Dail, let me know which cell you’re staying in and we can be penpals.

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  • Bring back the death penalty! Eye for an eye for the merciless killers in our country.

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  • I was a reluctant yes myself because we’re very poor at enforcing laws in this country…..hopefully I’ll be proving wrong but I highly dought it

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  • There was a poor turnout because the No side arguments were completely bogus bullshite spouted by religous loonies and everybody is pissed off at the government.
    There was nothing in between.

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  • They should have included a Referendum on changing the name of Snickers Bars to Marathon Bars, Turn out would have been Great.

    And Varadkar, you know where you can shove your lion bars.

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  • Wasn’t the nice treaty defeated the first time by a similar margin and Bertie decided that Irish people didn’t understand the vote so made them vote again to get a yes vote by going back to court. Since this referendum was biased make this liable to be re run through the courts as well. Makes the fiscal treat seems but more dodgy as I’m sure thus was not the first with crotty and McKenna judgements being circumvented by the political and business elites in Ireland and further afield to suit their own adgendas.

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  • Make no mistake, this is just the government trying to sneak abortion through the back door. I don’t know when the Irish people are going to wake up to this, but the two government parties are both seeking to legislate for murder. Murder is murder, I made what I thought were mistakes in the past and had two kids very young, but they’ve turned out to be the greatest gift god could give me every day. This “childrens” referendum is just a cover for another constitutional change, mark my words. Next we’ll be handing our first borns over as well. God bless.

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  • No better idea sell our babys to rich couples that can’t have kids , well they own our children now so it says

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