@frank2521
is there any visa for asylum seeker to enter in Ireland?
each and every person take asylum in any country , enter in the state for any other purpose because there is not any visa type for asylum seeker,
to stop people entering illegally you need to open a new visa type VISA FOR ASYLUM then no body will enter illegally,

Well said. Why we can’t have skill based visa system like the US, Canada or Australia is crazy. Prove your worth, complete a citizenship test which you have to pass like on the US and after you have paid taxes for a minimum of 5 years, you can apply for citizenship. Also during this period you cannot apply for Social assistance in any shape or form therefore not being a burden on the State.

You two should get together and start a gombeen farm…in the national interest.

Jesus lads your vastly overestimating the appeal of Ireland to professionals.Turn away asylum seekers???We are becoming a bunch of xenophibic fascists.

Sorry but ireland has an immigration problem , ive no issue with anyone from any country , we might need doctors, nurses, teachers etc.. We certainly dont need any more taxi drivers, pizza delivery drivers, door to door charity / sales or dole scroungers, ireland is the most abused gateway to the eu and we all suffer for it

Stephen..lose the nationalist blinkers..we are in a global economy, with free passage for capital and coporations, while the borders are used like pens in a mart to control labour unit supplies.

Productivity is ratcheted up quaterly by squeezing the producing workers penned in sweatshop competition for gombeen extraction at the top.

And the gombeens keep laughing all the way to their offshore tax-havens while we tear each other to shreds for the right to join the slave chains.

If we could deport our own scroungers it would save billions. World wide welfare rates are what’s needed but then the warm climate countries would be flooded with welfare tourists not the countries with the highest rates. Honest truthful debate on this issue unlikely soon.

As per usual Damien, you are missing the point. You are blinkered by the usual far left paranoia and entitlement for everyone. If I wished to become a US, Canadian or Australian citizen. I first have to prove my desire to reside in the country by contributing to their economy by working, paying taxes, not commiting any crimes and generally being a decent person in your adoptive society. I don’t think that’s a lot to ask of someone if they wish to go become a citizen of our country. I have already gone through this process with one of the above countries I mentioned. I don’t believe in automatic entitlements for anything. Prove your worth and get rewarded. That’s my belief.

Our own scroungers?

You mean like the unproductive children of the disemployed who don’t have the wherewithal to emigrate?Why waste good protein by deporting them, when we could process them into quite pallatable wurst for the German overlordship’s export market. No doubt Darina Allen would supply recipes. In fact, our own Dean Swift did so 3 centuries back. But if you had an educated Irish cnamh i do chorp you’d already be familiar with the culture of the island you parasite on.

As for torkeel’s australian, US and Canadian decent persons in their hosts countries..tell it to the people who fed the Pilgrim Fathers and taught them to plant and harvest, before they were exterminated.

Your belief, toorkeel, is totally ahistorical, pre-human and amoral. Savage ignorance dressed in neoliberal finery does not constitute civilisation, it is refined barbarity.
Keep polishing, you’ll see yourself in it yet.

Nonsense Damien, you as usual are ever the victim. It’s always someone else’s fault with you. You are completely deflecting the argument. Most rational people believe that you should earn the chance to become a citizen in your adoptive country if you so wish.
Out of curiosity, How do you believe the citizenship process should work here? Who should be entitled to Citizenship and who should not?

I just deleted my first reply to that twisted logic.

I am no victim. Address the point or troll off with your tendentious smears.

I just deleted a further elaboration. No doubt you’d approve of CJH’s dispensing of passports to his fellow sheiks.

It wasn’t you sold them to the Israelis by any chance?That never troubled you.

Good man Damien, as per usual you are unable to answer a question put to you constructively or with logic. This is a topic about immigration…but in true Damien Flinter style you go 180 degrees off topic and start babbling like a village idiot. What do CJH and Israel have to do with the current citizenship process in this country…..I’m curious.

It’s interesting that the dramatic drop in asylum applications coincides with the recession in Ireland, are we to really believe this is just a coincidence?
Also interesting is the fact there are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland, yet we are to believe all Nigerian asylum seekers are genuine, despite the other inconvenient fact that they would need a passport to leave their country but somehow their passport becomes non existent when they cross the border into the Republic.
It’s time to put an end to this exploitation of our system, Ireland needs a zero tolerance attitude toward welfare tourism and it should be made a criminal offence. Wake up Irish mugu!

Well, well…

True to form, the ascendancy runs the country up its tree, appeases its white-collar criminal buddies, and turns, as per program on the weak and vulnerable for scapegoats.

Fascisms are ever thus.

In gotta hand it to ye lads, ye’re good at it.

….Watch out Damien….They’re behind you! There was me thinking the cuckoo only comes in April…

No, toorkee, you’re right in front of me on screen. In one of your poses.

And you’ve been about since at least November. Shitting all over the site.

I take back my original comment.

The gombeen farm is obviously vastly overstocked.

What we need is a cull on the herd.

@Damien, it would appear by your chronic attraction of red thumbs that public opinion is against you, how does it feel out there on your own, does it get lonely?

Ha…poor old Damien, you would want to be careful, your extreme paranoia will make you ill. I’ve been around a lot longer than November…but who am I Damien….who am I…..really, who am I…paranoid yet? Tick tock…

Good approach plus add the Swiss model as well with privatized health care for foreign nationals can’t avail of any state services. This would keep out the majority of scammers and hard luck stories as people don’t end up in a new country unless they had the money to pay to come in the first place.
Pregnant women on flights or travelling on ferries to Ireland be refused entry to airplane or ferry about to give birth should be also stopped. The airline or ferry or coach company fined who bring people into Ireland.
Rise in TB in maternity wards and other Medical diseases from parts of the world these scammers come from is rife. Increase the chance of serious diseases to spread is unfair on other patients and very sick children born premature.
Colleagues were in some African countries and the people had all the various entitlement lists of various European countries that gave the best to non EU nationals. Ireland and the UK were top of the pile for the scammers wishing to come to Europe.

@ Tom Thumbs @ his pet toorkee

Sorry to disappoint ye kids, but us adults have no problem with solitude. Ask Vanunu.

Those last two infantile comments reveal your mental age for the readers. If they are of the same kindergarten generation, sin e.
Besides, fascist like the comfort of crowds, it reassures their insecure selves. Standing alone and thinking independently is strictly for adults.
Ciao, bambinos.

@AL S M

Just what was said of the Irish at Ellis Island.

Trolling again Church I see!!

They ate their kids, stupid predictive text!

@Michelle – why haven’t you reported this abuse?
@Katie – where did you get the figure of 90,000 immigrants granted citizenship last year?

@michele
i think you are sick or raciest, children are angels, you should have more then 5, don’t stop other people to come on this planet, God have made this planet bigger enough to live together.
if you will have children you will get child benefit as well.

We don’t need new immigrants who are simply ‘seeking a better life’. But you thinkg they should be helping the Irish people overseas?

Right…… So it’s okay for Irish people to go and seek a better life, but no one else is allowed to. You’re either bad at logic or good at hypocrisy.

I agree what you said then. Manny of them are getting this benefits from the Irish gov’t money. And also they make here as a love nest imagine were already millions according to the statistics figures in this country.

Okay, I don’t really get what you said there. But I think you’re on about SW payments. If someone is in Ireland just for the SW system, then tehy cannot become a citizen. Simple as that.

Citizenship is not granted to anyone who was in receipt of Social Welfare payments in the three years before their citizenship application. This is part of the requirement that new citizens have to prove that they have been able to support themselves and contributed to the State and will continue to do both in the future.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html#l1f4da

The levels of the last 10 years and even now were straight from Celtic Tiger excess era. They have to be curtailed to reflect reality and current economic conditions. Basically we have to do what any normal country does. If not, then go all out, cut the minimum wage and end union rights and go for the full devil take the hindmost free for all society that that kind of regulation can only succeed in.

@Donncha
Or perhaps you are just bad at interpretation….

‘Assisting the Irish abroad’ does not mean doing what the immigrant council of ireland does for immigrants to Ireland. I should have thought this was self-evident.

I know of no Irish citizens going abroad are refugees or migrants.

They are going to countries experiencing growth and not recession – like Ireland.

The profile of those going generally is highly qualified graduates, skiled manual workers who are in demand or educated and experienced and educated families

@donncha
Wrong Im afraid.
If you are familiar with totality of the piece then you will know that……

Citizenship CAN be granted to refugees and stateless persons as an exception to the 3 year Social Welfare rule.

So the very people we don’t need are the ones for whom it is easier to gain citizenship

And I’ve noticed since coming to Ireland 2x a year, and having friends there . The people get a lot of free benefits which is probably breaking the government, just sayin’… From what I’ve seen

6000 people a month leaving Ireland.

90,000 immigrants granted citizenship to Ireland last year.

Wake up people we are being sold out!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJjSzXkm55o

Katie: change that pic please, whatever you say I can’t focus on discussion! :)

@Katie
“Newly single and ready to mingle”

……woo-hoooo

200 people and not one of them Irish? Funnily enough I doubt that very much. And if you’re worried about losing our national identity, I’d be more concerned about the impact of british and american flims/tv shows and media in general. Wasn’t so long ago we Irish were the ones “wiping out national identities”.

If there’s a problem with welfare tourism then it’s the welfare system that needs to be reformed, not immigration policy. More of our own abuse the system than immigrants that do.

If there’s a problem with welfare tourism then it’s the welfare system that needs to be reformed, not immigration policy. More of our own abuse the system than immigrants than do.

MrKnow: so next time, try to drop into Patrick Guilbaud, or maybe Chapter One? Most customer will be hopefully Irish and maybe you could have some better experience and some feeling of Irish identity salvation?
BTW, how do you know they were rude, if you left straight out? Did you talk to them?
Or were they rude cause they spoke in some languages you couldn’t understand?

@robert omaingain

Of course everyone has a right to a decent life.
What has that got to do with Ireland accepting refugees/ asylum seekers/ stateless people ?
It is not for Ireland to take on the guilt of the world – open our borders and then pay welfare to these people !
What fairyworld do you live in ?

I totally agree that some Irish abroad were scroungers and chancers, and should have been treated as such by the countries where they broke the law

John, try getting citizenship of another country if its so bad here. Why not apply to the US, Canada, Australia and see how bad Ireland is!