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Dáil to begin debating Budget’s changes to social welfare system

The Social Welfare Bill, which gives legal effect to cuts to the respite care grant and other changes, will be debated this week.

Joan Burton has conceded that some of the Budget measures are undesirable, but necessary to reduce spending at the Department of Social Protection.
Joan Burton has conceded that some of the Budget measures are undesirable, but necessary to reduce spending at the Department of Social Protection.
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THE DÁIL will this evening begin its consideration of a draft Bill which will give legal effect to the social welfare changes and cuts proposed in last week’s Budget.

General debate on the Social Welfare Bill will take place this evening and tomorrow, with votes on individual sections of the Bill and proposed opposition amendments due tomorrow.

Backbench lobbying to have various provisions of the Bill taken out – including the proposed cut to the annual Respite Care Grant for carers, to be cut from €1700 to €1375 – is continuing in the meantime.

Parliamentary rules mean that when the Bill reaches ‘committee stage’, where proposed amendments are considered and voted upon, TDs have to formally approve the inclusion of each ‘section’.

Fianna Fáil has pledged to force a vote on the inclusion of various controversial measures – meaning Fine Gael and Labour backbenchers will be forced to vote in favour of including the cuts to respite care grants, an increase in PRSI contributions, cuts to child benefit and shortening the payment of jobseeker’s benefit.

Both Fine Gael and Labour rules dictate that any member who votes against the party’s policies in the Dáil or Seanad are automatically stripped of the party whip, and are ejected from their parliamentary parties.

Among the other provisions in the Bill is a clause which would give the Revenue Commissioners the right to reduce welfare payments by up to 15 per cent in cases where it needs to recover an overpayment from a recipient.

The Government has proposed the measures in order to cut spending at the Department of Social Protection, which administers the payments. Spending at the Department will fall from €14.3 billion in 2012 to an estimated €13.3 billion for 2013.

The Oireachtas schedule for the week will see the Dáil complete its scrutiny of the Social Welfare Bill by Friday, meaning progression of the Bill will be out of TDs’ hands when they return to their constituencies for the weekend.

Debate on the Bill will begin at about 6pm this evening, and continue until 10pm, with a 90-minute interruption from 7:30pm to debate Sinn Féin’s motion of no confidence in the government.

Read: Carers to protest at Dáil today over cuts to grant

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Comments (49 Comments)

  • Time to see what those FG and Labour backbenchers are about. No more of this unnamed TDs are unhappy with the Budget and might vote against it, it is time for them to step forward and show what they really care about: The Pension or The People.

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    • Pension wins I’m afraid. They will sh1te about making more of a difference inside the party than outside but in the end they are either straight or on the take.

      If u represent people than represent them or face the music and dance

      Stop bowing to that buffoon. Kenny and Gilmore make me embarrassed to be Irish. Haughey, Reynolds, Ahern at least had a semblance of intelligence.

      Kenny and Gilmore, if they joined forces, would fight a losing battle with an amoeba

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  • Time for all the ones who have been mouthing off all week to stand up and be counted, I wait with bated breath!

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    • Don’t hold it, they’re hanging on to qualify for pensions! I recently learned that the Labour leaders has valued his house at 430,000 euro, not bad for a labour and union man on the take from the state with his wife! I wonder will revenue go and do a proper valuation, just to be sure it’s true?

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  • Jason 11/12/12 #

    It will be interesting to see which backbench TDs vote against their own Social Welfare Bill they find so terribly unfair. . .

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  • Do or die for labour. This is a chance to get the respect back and pick the party out of the spiral it’s in.
    If this passes labour will be destroyed in the same way the greens and ff were and the way fg is going to get it.
    Now either s*it or get off the pot folks.
    This is about YOUR SURVIVAL !!!!!!.

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  • Dare I predict that they will move on the carers issue …it was always a smokescreen to deflect the public’s attention from the property tax.

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  • Beggars believe how our so called representives will screw us over

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  • tom 11/12/12 #

    Lab probably feel they can weather the storm pass go collect pension before braking ranks.

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  • When there is no free vote for Tds, what’s the point of a debate or discussions? We need big forms of democracy in Ireland.

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  • as berty once said, this is all smoke and daggers . Its a small amount and they will give it back to the carers. Meanwhile the real screwing. of us, the property tax slips through nicely

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  • Blue shirt Kenny should look at his own party and the very chequered pass they had, before he starts trowing stones at Gerry Adams, he was asked about the cuts but all he come out with was the same waffle he always comes out with, grow a pair of balls Kenny, you look what you are a rat and a lier. Fine Gael done the same to the working people in the 80 s so why did the think now they would be any different ,

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  • how can we have a democracy if those who are freely elected, do not have free rein in the choices they make. if they step out of line they get punished…

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  • labour are so gone,, they wont ever again see a seat, they are not a party at all, just a yes vote for fg,,, kinda reminds me of Gallagher independent,, lol,, back door ff independent,, they are a joke

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  • our government sicken me,, to hear them in the dail today, and sf lad saying about women ashamed they cant feed their own kids, and enda, the heartless bastard, did not give a care in the world, is he not ashamed to give people on 100 thousand and over childrens allowance, is he not ashamed of his salary as he really is a school teacher, and for the other f’er so called labour,,, his useless , a brown nose, no balls of his own, and yes i am mad at the way they are treating each person,, i am out of work, cant pay my mortgage, starving freezing and the banks were well paid for my mortgage and everyone elses with the billions on bail out,, i have worked all my life never unemployed,, and tonight we have toast for dinner til thurs, thats all we have not even a bit of pasta,, i am feeling worthless a crap mother,,, scared to answer my own door as debts getting higher,,, i went to bank and told them i cant pay my mortgage anymore,, if our government dont care why should i anymore,, i am depressed, even in papers last week not one job,, week before a baby sitting job, 3 days for 100 euro,,, and i could not even get that as now they want papers,, i have 2 kids 20 and 17,, and they are good well mannered , well rounded kids,, no trouble ,, and that experience is now not enough ,, there are no jobs in tralee,, none even coming,, shops shutting and laying off, is there any hope at all for this nation,, its def not under enda, he is giving us more bills, and less hope, and yes i voted the donkey in,, sorry,, but i would take anyone that would not keep creating this desolate outlook on familys,, we need jobs, he is paying all our money back on bad debts,, he should be helping the people and maybe then the jobs may come,,, bloody leech lining his own pockets well,,

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    • Very sad story, will they ever listen, just read on net about young lad died in a door in Wicklow last night. This is a big mans country under these shower of Bastards I just hope there day comes.

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    • Jackie hang in there. Contact Ben Gilroy of Direct Democracy Ireland. He helps people in your situation. Change is coming provided people accept that the tired institutionalised grabbers time in Irish politics has come to an end.

      And next person who calls to your door tell them to F off.

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    • That is just heartbreaking, this so called government will be totally destroyed for the treatment they have dished out to people.
      kenny is nothing more than a pathetic little person on a massive ego trip and he is surrounded by the biggest batch of paracites that havn’t got a pair between them.
      They have proven to the world that they are liars,gombeens,sleeveens and the lowest of the low.
      I hope I live long enough to see each and every one of the leeches getting payback (and mark my words the clock hands always come back to twelve) so I can laugh into their pathetic lieing faces.

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  • The freeloaders from the labour party who are feeding at the trough of money secured from the poorest in society will toe the line in order to prolong the feasting and send out a soundbite or two to cover their intention to continue with the frenzy. The vultures that they are will soon find out that the people consider vultures to be vermin and with the only weapon at their disposal will use that pencil to consign them to folk memory.

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  • Nice one Mr Frank Cluskey.

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  • how about they half there wages the shower of crooks! problem solved

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  • JOHN F, your a twit,,, ignorant, do you really thing people dont want to work,, i have worked 30 years never unemployed and there is no work,, come to kerry,, nothing 125 businesses shut on our main street,,, there is no hope down here,, until our government stop austerity, there will be no work as no one has anything to spend

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    • The bottom line is this budget was lazy and This government is Lazy, Social welfare needs a radical overhaul and this government, hasn’t the brains or spine, or imagination to do it.
      There may be no jobs now, but in 5 years (maybe wishful thinking) we could be on the road to recovery. In the good times we had foreign nationals coming here for 2 reasons, our welfare system and that capable and able Irish people would not do the jobs that they were willing to do.
      To say there is no such thing as a social welfare trap is ludicrous, even in the good times we had a section of society who drew the dole (in spite of a abundance of jobs) and when there children in school were asked about there futures, the response was to follow there parents footsteps. The dole is a sole destroying lifestyle and we shouldn’t punish those who trough no fault of there own are there, but the present system encourages those who would abuse the system and sets barriers for those who wish to get out of the trap, to enter the workforce, people need to be encouraged (rewarded) be it for 6 hours a week in there local Supermarket, or for 5 days during the Christmas. They need to be encouraged to learn new trades, do courses without fear of loosing entitlements.
      Why elect politicians, if they are not going to make changes, be they popular or not. There are some very able politicians on the labor and FG benches, but toeing the party line is what has this country ruined, FF did there best impression of Nero fiddling while Rome burned. History will repeat itself unless politicians like Joan Burton or Leo Varadker e.t.c stand up and are counted.
      Taking money from carers is a disgrace, but using Carers as a slight of hand to slide in the household charge is equally as bad, scaring the most vulnerable in society. They must sleep great at night.

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  • itll pass unless they suddenly decide they havnt cut enough

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  • Labour on this occasion I would recommend that you go to opposition lobbies when voting on Social welfare budget cuts and prove that you are for the people.

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  • why aren’t they cutting the dole instead. able bodied people waking up in the afternoon,taking holidays,boozing..

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  • Gavin, im just wondering if the carers allowance is 1375 now or 1325, as im seeing it on another article here its 1325?

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  • Get rid of welfare payments! To many individuals screwing the system and this is ruining it for the working class! There is work out there, people just won’t do it as some jobs weekly wage are equal to social Payment!

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    • Jonathan! You’re either very stupid or just a Nasty piece of work that’s had everything handed to you all your life. Hopefully it’s the former!

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    • probably both but definitely the former

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    • John F 11/12/12 #

      Ironic Rodrigo, considering most of the Welfare classes have had everything handed to them their whole lives! Taken care of from the cradle to the grave by an over generous welfare system while we continue to borrow to maintain the lifestyles of the work shy! Major overhaul is required immediately to deal with this mess! Benefits should decrease with the length of time you’re on them and the payment should be based on your previous contributions to society. The key word – CONTRIBUTION.. some people in this country don’t know the meaning of it!

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    • “welfare classes” @john f you say more about yourself by simply using that phrase than anyone else could, maybe you and the rest of foxrock should declare an independent state

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    • show me a job, i will be there,, i am hardworking honest and dying for a job, so i may keep my home and feed my kids,,, i would die for a job, not even one in our paper last week,,, i go out with cv every week, i have advertised in paper,, and nothing,,, I WANT TO WORK, I LOVE TO WORK,, I HATE BEING AT HOME, I HATE HAVING NO MONEY, WELFARE DOES NOT PAY MORTGAGE, MORTGAGE INSURANCE , ELEC BILL AND FOOD, WHO WANTS TO BE ON WELFARE,,, JONATHAN,, COME TO KERRY AND SEE HOW IT GOES,, SUGAR ALL,,,, MEN AND WOMEN BEGGING FOR WORK AND NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGG,,

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    • @ Rodrigo… No… I’d say he’s just stupid..

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    • @ Jackie.. never mind the trolls of Jonathan & John F… You don’t have to prove yourself to ANYONE!! ..I hope things pick up for you .. You’re not alone believe me…

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  • what sort of bastards?

    how many moms or dads struggling for to get pressies for their little ones or try get a bit of food in for the dinner on the 25th.. no three course meals for some.. huh..

    any christmas lights going on the cheap.. or are those out along with the pensions being siddled to the top threes and the nice pays..
    talking about money is crass but you know ..

    i think the lady above and some other posters reading here now have probably more CLASS than any of those bunch of bandits..

    did we all remember our manners to say THANK YOU..

    gilmore burton kenny shatter backic

    HOWS THE EURO GILMORE (2007) REPLY SPEECHLESS. and slightly red faced when asked.. no comment

    huh?????????????????????????

    hows the pay cuts ivana.. NO COMMENT HUH???????????????????????????

    they walk away laughing..

    how are kids gona even know innocence.. if they cant even have a couple of pressies for what is a hard year for those really struggling and not just on welfare despite there being sod all jobs..

    is brian hayes able to afford pressies.. and leo varadakar.. or are they putting down another luas line.. to the airport??????????????????

    are we allowed to voice an opinion or will be evicted or thrown in prison or comitted or shot or sitting home hoping as the lady stated above re her home and repossession ..

    peaceful tidings..

    ?

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  • some of the cork ladies were having issues as well working overtime.. more single moms strugling.. with the cutbacks. as well.. :)

    love to the friends down south..

    real decent people.. real decent.. (that is the real word on the matter.. a nice lady down there is getting major bows for helping out one evening at 4AM in the morning.. and doing one me one big big favour.. ) tea and toast and a helping hand..

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  • Hopefully its passed , I dont know why the government constantly flip flops on the much needed spending cuts, yet wont budge on the crippling tax increases

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  • RE JOHH F

    or some more of us just killed off or you know thrown in kicked out kicked under..
    a little embarrassing.

    emigration.. sure half of us cant even afford the fare.. and know nobody gladly..
    from what i read here

    theyll probably have us all in chains by new year. watching back..

    toss

    congratulations..

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