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Details of redesign for National Children’s Hospital announced

The new plans suggest the hospital should be built on the Mater site but that the height of the complex should be reduced to six storeys to comply with requirements.

The location of the proposed National Children's Hospital on the Mater grounds
The location of the proposed National Children's Hospital on the Mater grounds
Image: Julien Behal/PA Wire/Press Association Images

REVISED PLANS FOR the new National Children’s Hospital have been submitted by the Mater Hospital Group.

The plans proposed by the Group – consisting of the Mater, Temple Street Children’s Hospital and the Rotunda Maternity Hospital – suggest the hospital be built on the Mater site but that the height of the complex should be reduced to six storeys to comply with requirements, RTÉ reports.

It says that the selection of another site would impose a delay of at least two and a half years.

The original plan for the hospital was rejected by An Bord Pleanála last February, on the grounds that it would constitute over-development of the hospital and have a negative impact on the city skyline.

It is proposed that the Children’s Hospital and Adult’s Hospital would be linked by a corridor, according to TV3.

Other proposals have been submitted for the project: last month, Tallaght Hospital and South Dublin County Council formally submitted their  joint bid for the new National Children’s Hospital to be co-located on a publicly-owned site adjacent to the existing Tallaght Hospital Facility.

Another submission suggested building hospital on a 50-acre site at Lissenhall, Swords, County Dublin.

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Comments (33 Comments)

  • Terrible location. Build it outside of city were it is accessible forALL the country. Imagine a family from cork Kerry Donegal trying to find it and get there on a wet night when traffic is at a standstill. It should be on m50 or similar

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    • From what I’ve seen God forbid you guys ever build something outside dublin…

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    • Half the population lives centrally in dublin, the other half live throughout the country. This hospital is to rehouse temple street and support crumlin….thats why its being built in dublin….so what reason do you have for it not to be built in dublin?

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    • I would have thought a greenfield site on m50 , or in tallaght or likewise would make more sense as people in city centre would be able to access it by public transport , and the rest of country would be able to get there easily by car?

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    • When I said Dublin, I don’t mean the mater site, I think the mater is completely inappropriate, I meant the periphery, along the M50, Alan my last comment wasn’t directed at you. ;)

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  • One of Ireland’s top developers chaired the board for the new children’s hospital. Harry Crosby, there is a great clip of him on YouTube with Brendan O’connor where he admits owing the state half a billion through Nama and doesn’t batter an eye lid.

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  • Traffic at the mater will be the cause of life & death. Stupid plan.

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  • This just smells of a backhander. Once again.
    There are a multitude of reasons that speak against the Mater site.
    Why have we not seen a Journal poll on this issue?
    To the individual concerned the geographical aspect is most crucial.
    If you have a sick child in need of care the paramount consideration is the time in which you can reach a hospital.
    Every other concern should be molded around this factor.

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    • Neither you or I were, or are likely to be in the room when decisions like this are considered … Maybe I’m naive but not everything and everyone is corrupt… Maybe the decision to persist with considering the mater is the availability of ancillary services and economies of scale for purchasing linen, food, etc… Maybe it is about having access to specialist equipment and staff at the mater … I don’t know but as a health worker I kinda resent the implication that decisions are made based only on corruption..

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    • No the paramount reason is the best hospital and care. It shouldn’t matter where it is located. There will still be A and E departments in other hospitals such as Tallaght for minor injuries. This is a specialist hospital to care for the sickest children in the land.

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  • We’ve waited this long so let’s wait some more ….and get it right… my biggest concern about the matter is that a certain 82,500 capacity stadium is only a stone throw away….at any weekend from spring to September it could be packed to the.rafters. Imagine tryin to get a child through those crowds even in an ambulance its impossible let alone in a car being brought by a family member… Im surprised this element is not being talked about more

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  • Tallaght makes more sense.

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  • AFAIK They’re moving the coombes maternity services to tallaght hospital so building the childrens hospital there as well matches the only posible valid reason for siting it at the mater (co location).

    There is no good argument left. Are we really going to let the brown envelope brigade put our kids at risk by building the bertie banaltra bowl?

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  • It looks like a prison or a soviet factory. How is that a suitable environment for children?

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  • Again more stupidity from the gov on how it selects it’s projects. Quick fix, jobs for buddies and a complete waste of time and money.

    They can’t expand this site and will eventually need to look elsewhere. Traffic and parking is impossible. Again a wick fix solution.

    A greenfield site is the only sustainable option. 2.5 years to wait? Well like a pint of Guinness it’s worth waiting for if it means the perfect solution.

    Idiots and morons have they not learned from their past mistakes.

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    • I fully understand that the children’s hospital that we have at present is totally inadequate and outdated, but given the expected lifespan of the ‘new children’s hospital’ it makes much more sense to put up with the extra time wait & build it to serve the Children & People of Ireland & not only Dublin. It needs to be totally accessible from everywhere in Ireland, M50 or similar area where in future years other hospitals/services can be built at the same location to enhance our Health Services.

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    • Unless you move an adult hospital and maternity hospital onto the same site these comments are non runners. The city needs to start increasing in height. Dublin can’t keep expanding outwards. What are we going to eat in the future if there is no farmland? Let’s become a modern city not the medieval one we currently are.

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  • DaveC 03/05/12 #

    Six storeys I’d idiotic. Build it as high as it needs to be and let’s move with the times.

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  • if the coastguard cant land the new S-92′s at the Mater then its a terrible idea,they can land at tallaght though…

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  • DaveC 03/05/12 #

    is idiotic I meant

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  • I can’t fathom why there is a necessity to have it in Dublin in the first place to be honest. Placing it in Meath or somewhere more central seems like the ideal location to me!

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    • It’s called centrality. All mainline rail and bus services stop in Dublin NOT Meath. All motorways go to Dublin directly. All medical & surgical specialities are in Dublin! For Gods sake – stop the stupid about situating it outside Dublin and lets get a site in Dublin with close access to all major road arteries. Tallaght is eminently sensible – has the road and rail infrastructure, has the space to develop and has the willingness of the local authority. But unfortunately – sense rarely wins out in this country. The two lane (now 3 lane) m50 is a living example of how we don’t future proof our planning

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    • @Mary. Everything of course leads to Dublin because everthing is built there. Centrality or centralization as it is called has been clearly identified through research as symptom of poor decision making and planning.

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    • This is not a new hospital. It is the relocation and co-location of at least 2 existing hospitals, which are already staffed by people who mostly live in or around Dublin. It can’t just be situated somewhere else in the country! The nurses, drs, physios, radiographers etc who will work in it have to be able to get to work. Common sense people, please…

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  • Two and a half years is a compelling argument. We’ve waited too long for this already.

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  • Why is everybody forgetting Blanchardstown. It already has tha adult Hosp. Actually borders the M50 so they could put in new exits in directly. There’s loads of space in the Hosp grounds that has lots of mature trees making it a nice place for walks for recovering children. Yea the brown envelope brigade are alive and well.

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  • You people!!!! You haven’t a clue what you are talking about. You don’t work in the health service so have no concept of the decisions other than location that have to be considered. Let me expand
    No site around the M50 will be suitable for reasons of staffing and specialties offered by the hospitals in these locations. Neither Tallagh nor Blanchardstown offer the mix of clinical specialties required by a new national children’s hospital. Therefore all that would happen is that consultants spend most of there time travelling between an adult hospital and the new children’s hospital and end up being unproductive. We have enough problems with inefficiencies without adding more. Imagine a situation, God forbid, where a surgeon had to perform two heart transplants at the same time and somehow be simultaneously in the Mater and somewhere on the M50.
    The Mater or James are the only game in town for many reasons. Let the best hospital win. Less of your parish politics. Look where that has gotten the country!!! Either way traffic will be an issue. St James is equally as bad for traffic and parking. So forget about this trivial issue and put the Children of Ireland first. Oh and by the way, Tallagh don’t have a helipad. They build a carpark on it. Imagine that!!! Shows how much you know. The new Children’s Hospital will have a helipad on either location.

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  • Up Kildare.

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