The Poll is flawed= After voting, some people here have been deleting their ID cookie numbers, to return & voted multiple times, mostly by about a dozen or so young Fianna Failers who voted again & again to warp the result in their favour. They just want to be future TDs. http://youtu.be/qa6U-K24BY0

Ola, you sound like you’ve an awful axe to grind. Surely if party members are voting multiple time, every party would be copped on to it and they all would be at it, thereby cancelling eachother out. Also, if that were common practice for all parties then why is this poll so different to previous polls on thejournal.ie? Also if it so massively skewed then why do the percentages above reflect the last three polls undertaken by reputable polling companies using standard methods for random sampling?

Fianna Fáil are gaining in popularity, poll trends prove that, but this is simply a snap shot in time. Party still has an awful long way to go in completing the process of re-engaging the ordinary people and earning trust that it splurged due to poor economic policies that over-exposed the country when the global financial collapse arrived. Poor communication with the people at the time from Government needless caused more of an impasse. However constructive opposition and the introduction of about 40 bills (4 times higher than the next largest opposition party) along with strong leadership and brave calls (supporting the fiscal referendum when opposing would have been an easier political option) have seen some people realize that the ones who lost the party’s trust with the people are no longer there and that it’s returned to what it was always meant to be; a grassroots movement of the people, by the people, for the people.

No Eoin, awful axe to grind? where have you seen the last four budgets? maybe in 1932 FF had a grassroots movement but in 2007 it relied on Galway tent brown envelope donations, there has been over 100,000 people emigrated, a 20% drop in family income, so most non-FF people do not know you can vote multiple times in this poll, plus some marketing & some media companies just ask basic simple questions to busy people, nothing about their ‘programmes’ (detailed or not), to be really really Michael Martin almost whispering “sorry” when he spent years in cabinet does not reassure most people. Martin just spouts waffle. Thats the situation Ireland has been put into

I have voted a couple of times now, there seems to be something wrong with this page.

@Alex http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iAuD9mVuMp8/UBZKCECJ1QI/AAAAAAAAA00/fFunknclZ_o/s640/20815_gallery.jpg

Ola, that made little sense. Firstly in 2007, the economic crash had not started in earnest. The problems began manifesting themselves in 2008 leading up to the bank guarantee in September of that year (fyi, the Galway tent was retired by then but even then, there were always more jurnos and ordinary party members in there than anyone else). Also I don’t know if you have even been polled by anyone before (I got a call for RedC years ago) but the question on party support is a very clear one, “If there were an election tomorrow which political party would you give your #1 vote to, if you would support an independent candidate then respond with independent?” Nothing overly complicated there. In more expansive political polls they also ask you about previous voting record to try gauge your likelihood of voting but the poll I was rang was mainly focused on marketing for Vodafone if I recall correctly and the political questions were a side to it. The polls are reputable, and in the past, during election time, quite accurate (especially RedC) as it has proven. Just because you wish this trend to not be true doesn’t make it so.

Fianna Failers distorted this poll, simple as that, just makes me wonder what else ye are capable of (changing referendum results you do not like= “Vote Yes For Jobs” posters) on this poll we can all vote every/any party as much times as we like. You can red thumb til the cows come home, you cannot fool all of the people all of the time, your party resulted in this finale http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/207509_4557970441287_1780356855_n.jpg PS i come from a Fianna Fail, but your jig is up & many people will not vote for you ever again ;)

Cheers to Alex Carter & others who’ve confirmed the Poll flaw. Not worried about what Fianna Fail want (they block criticism anyway) but ask your friends, neighbours & family what would Michael Martin do different if he gor back into power? (& i came from a Fianna Fail family)

Some clarity for you; After I voted here, I returned to the journal’s main home page where I was unusually offered a second option to vote on the right hand side, which I took. It was probably an innocent mistake by the journal people.

If there’s a 2 for 1 deal going on plane tickets, we should organise a group I’m sure that as night follows day, we’re not the only ones.

Make that 3 for 2 and I’m going too

Ditto. I’m beginning to think we deserve everything we get. It is beyond explanation how 19% of respondents can support FF. And that’s 19% from the demographic of journal readers whom one can assume to be younger and more liberal than the general population. I have never voted FF and I point blank refuse to live in a country governed by them.

Sadly if Fianna Fail get in alot of people will HAVE to leave the country

No ya wont

I’ll go with yas. Fianna Fail are leading in this poll? REALLY????!!!

im planning to leave anyway, no matter who gets in, the majority rules here and that majority has shown itself to be too easily led by the nose, they believe the same lies and liars over and over, i no longer wish to be subjugated to the wishes of these people

*subject

I’m Irish so it depends what the posters say or who my grandfather voted for. I’m thick you see, so I believe things like the 5 point plan and spin, proud to be Irish!

I’ve actually spent a huge amount of time creating a mathematical equation to choose who I’ll vote for.

I won’t type it out here, but basically the result is that I’ll vote SF for the simple fact that they have not had a go yet. Despite their past ties, they CANT do much worse.

If they do make a bigger mess….. I’ll leave after their 4 years

1 thing though……… Gag Mary lou

It just shows how bad the present government actually is, if FF are getting the majority of votes.

Imo bin Gerry Adams. The party cannot move forward unless his ties are severed, he’s holding the party from moving forward. Just an observation but I think many more new voters like myself would vote for them but they are holding on to past legacies and until there’re gone I won’t vote for them but I agree with the same sentiment they haven’t had a go yet and can not possibly be worse than the current and past recurring bunch.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter – Winston Churchill

Any poll that has FG @ 11% has to be treated as suspect & says more about how unrepresentative Journal.ie contributors are.

Count me in.

Add three more people to that! !

Ruairi, before you go down the road of they can’t be as bad as the rest have a look at some of the things they have voted for in the north. It’s easy to recommend spending money like it was confetti when you know there is little chance of you having to foot the bill. Look at Nick Cleg in the UK. The liberals were gung ho until they got into power, just like the greens here. Remember the greens the next time it costs you 5 euro for a light bulb.

Feck we are all leaving if FF get in

FF trolls have plenty of spare time on their hands that is all !!!

Unreal.. Count me out if FF ever get in again.. In that case the Irish really do deserve all the crap that is going on at the moment.
Face + Palm + Bang head in desk.

If FF caused the world wide recession (as some say) leaving Ireland does not make sense.

“If voting made any difference they wouldn’t let us do it.” – Mark Twain

Off with ya! The country cud do with a few less begrugers! Face facts, wer on the way back, the ppl still love FF as this poll and recent polls show! :D Wer still the party of goverment! Michael for Teaseach!

Hang on, let me get the popcorn! I’m gonna enjoy this.

After voting, some people here have been deleting their ID cookie numbers, to return & voted multiple times mostly by about a dozen Young Fianna Failers who voted again & again to warp the result in their favour. They just want to be future TDs. http://youtu.be/qa6U-K24BY0

So Fianna Fáil Sean
What makes me a begrudger ?
Surely not wanting FF in power again can’t make me that

Ah That makes sense then
Was beginning to wonder

Your a begruger for blaming FF for your problems and the resession. FF did a great job of running the country. (How many motorways did they build??) And Brian Cowen took some very tough desisions when the global resession struck. The dublin media gave him shite cos he was from Offaly but history will vindacate him as an Irish hero.

Sean you don’t know me , when did I say I have any problems , all I said was that If FF got back into power I think I’d rather pay my tax in another country . And for that you think I’m a begrudger . So disagree with someone’s opinion and all of a sudden I’m a begrudger , better get the dictionary out for myself and look up the word

Personally I think i’d rather be a begrudger than someone like you who is clearly completely withdrawn from reality.
FF screwed us. And if that is the case about the people thinking its ok to vote that bunch of bandits back in, then I’d be happy to emigrate. And I’m sure many other people would do the same.

Thanks Louise agree totally
Still laughing at been called a begrudger for wanting rid of FF

Don’t waste yer time on Gombeen Fianna Failers, leave them “Eat cheese”, a kick up the hole is the only thing they need, put them back into reality ;)

Not a bother David :)
I know right? a begrudger calling out the ffs for the sliebheens that they are! clearly away with the fairies that one!
haha gombeen! i like that word! quite fitting.

Brian Cowen? a hero? a hero? do you know what an actual hero is? sorry but i had to wipe the tears from my eyes & my stomach is sore from laughing a sold five minutes. Brian Clowen is a buffoon who should have stayed in a county council. Sorry i’m still laughing. Thanks for making me laugh. Aw man

Thanks Louise
Am beginning to think there are still a few die hard FFers left and some appear to be on here
Im certainly looking forward to reading all about FF in history books in years to come

Lol I’m still laughing too
I was told to leave the country and stop blaming FF for all my ‘ problems ‘
What a day on the journal

I think the feckin Men in Black have been doing over time around the country!!!! Hero? Brian Cowen!? Itoo would like to thank the FF posters who have brightened up my day with their unique brand of ‘lets-forget-what-ACTUALLY-happened’ comedy!

Get over it ola

Derek, ok i believe you Fianna Fail are fine so, don’t worry the last four years has been nulled by the image of Brian Cowen as an actual hero. Fianna Fail can take over around 2016 (“lot done, lot more to do”) & then in 2021 back to the other parties. Its ok Ireland will be in great hands :-D

Ruairi I never thought I’d be in agreement with you but I’ll be sitting next to you on the plane!

you’re a fine thing Jenni

Hey John, you are right but Its not just short memory, its about multiple voting in this poll by about a dozen young Fianna Failers who vote again & again to warp the result, the jig is up haha ;)

@ Bobby

You can only vote once. I seriously doubt there are young supporters registering hundreds of fake accounts to warp a journal.ie poll.

@Nuffsaid just delete cookies in your history revisit site vote again,simples

Not if your accessing the site from a smartphone, which I imagine the majority of readers are! But if it works on laptop / desktop PC, then I suppose it lends support to Bobby’s conspiracy theory, despite how far fetched it is!!

Nuffsaid Thatsall, no ‘conspiracy theory’ here just hard reality, one Fine Gael guy admitted voting twice for his own party plus a few other times for other parties, others voted from different times from deleted ID cookies & multiple votes, hence the poll is warped in Fianna Fail’s favour :)

Do think that when push comes to shove that people won’t vote for FF again ( and FG the way things are going )
Please may we never see FF anywhere near power again

Seriously like, it’s an online news site readership poll!! Who’d go to the trouble!?! Fianna Fail top the poll, it changes nothing!!

Hi Ola,

I never knew u got vote many times-

I thought Sinn Fein were the best at voting early and often!!!
Only joking of course

On a serious note it would, mean that all the polls taken the web are flawed-

Hey Tony dude, polls being altered by any party is never a good sign, true i agree with ya :) politics in Ireland has been corrupted deeply anyway, thats why the public have such little faith , anyway theres other more interesting spheres of life

Considering their presidential candidate by stealth was comfortably ahead in the polls before RTE helpfully staged an intervention, I’m not in the least bit surprised that the Fianna Fail stooges are coming back out of the woodwork.

Sheer hypocrisy! FG + Lab = FF!

My point is that David Higgins is in YFG, and that his government is basically FF in all but name. FF thinking – not just their personalities – is what got us into trouble. And some FG ministers will become the new Ivor Callelies if given the chance.

Fine Gael and Labour support falling, how quickly they forget their election promises

The strange thing is that when people can’t see an alternative they often say “better the devil you know”.

At this point, with FG having completely embarrassed themselves by offering themselves as an option to FF and promising transparency, honesty and all that FF didn’t offer.

With FG offering themselves as white knights and failing to deliver it seems like almost as bad a sin – almost complicit in FF’s deceit.

For those (like myself) who can’t yet see an option on the left (I’m not right wing – more centre left) they might just be turning back to FF with the hope that their old faithful can maybe make a change.

Personally, I really wouldn’t know who to vote for at the moment.

Are people having a laugh ? Fools !
I do not think I would be capable of rational thought
if FFailures get re elected !

Hi Steve,

I agree- First time Plato is quoted on the journal- I think all the current parties of like fifty shades of grey- totally grey and devoid of any colour or backbone-

It might be best if the Greeks re-read Plato tho’

Was thinking the same,close app delete cookies,open app vote again.Just a pity there really is no choice.FF/Lab/FG no difference in any of them.Won’t spoil my vote,but from now on independent all the way and no 2,3 perference.

Whatever you say about fianna fail Bertie Aherne did great things for this country was unfairly blamed and will remain my personal hero

@Jamie

The likes of you is exactly why I have NO hope for Ireland. Time to leave the fools on the sinking ship and go to greener pastures.

@jamie – troll tip #46: do not over extend yourself. Your statement, in order for it to be effective has to be believable. If you didn’t over-egg the pudding by saying Bertie was you hero, you might have got away with it.

For the banter loike

It was the same party and policies that the Irish voter was happy to return to government three elections in a row. Me thinks the people knobbled themselves.

That is because he’s an independent amd isn’t whipped into submission by a party juggernaut.

Decent politicians don’t exist

http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/207509_4557970441287_1780356855_n.jpg

Shot

The previous and present governments have been responsible for the biggest majority of deaths on this island ( suicide ) poor health services people dying on hospital trolleys – eviction – the list is endless . We need change !

Jack
Please don’t compare anyone to that obnoxious former house painter cum Christmas car designer. Callely was in a special place of his own and nobody could be like him!

Stephen Donnelly is a brilliant politician

Shane Ross too, they seem to be the only honest people in the dail

FG voters going back.

Political musical chairs caused by sheep which are afraid to chose new options!

Mr Kenny is my hero, you should show some respect

ADE(….) The EU puppet kenny gets no respect because he hasn’t earned it. Simple, Just out of curiosity, where would you originally hail from? I am wondering if this kenny star effect that’s had you blinded is caused by your previously administrations? Could you enlighten me.

But he is the boss, I respect the boss.

There is a new party, launched last week, called Direct Democracy Ireland. The are on FB.

there is indeed an option for none of the above/abstain, not sure if that / means and or or

Yes there is an option as I just clicked it

There is now… I requested it!

there already was

Just now after clicking it and seeing the results of the poll, I despair for the future of this country.

not really http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAccqgV4beA maybe watch alot of you should watch some documentaries on youtube….just to refresh your poor memories!………

My thoughts exactly. People are always saying we need a new party. Well if I was them I would be calling for the loss of Adams, get rid of the old stigma and rebrand so to speak, the could have all the bonus of a new party with the benefit of already being established. I’m not so sure how stuck they are on their ideals and if they would. But they definitely won’t progress further up the polls or indeed get elected until that happens IMO.

This is the problem. The Dail does not serve the people of Ireland well. It seems to me that the hardest job they have is to get in there and once that happens they are looked after from then onwards. The incentive to actually serve the people for the greater good of Ireland as a whole is then gone.

Because no matter what happens politicians will always be taken care of. They don’t lead the lives that the rest of us do, so they lose touch. Most of them don’t have any experience of any portfolio they aquire. They just pay people to tell them what to say and wing it the rest of the time. This is obvious.

The greater good of this country and its people is not served. We can pick partys etc but in essence they are the same. It is the sytem itself that needs to change. Then the true differences betwen partys and people will begin to show.

You’re sorely misinformed if you think SF are communist… Or even left leaning for that matter.

Hi Dan, the Poll is flawed= After voting, some people here have been deleting their ID cookie numbers, to return & voted multiple times, mostly by about a dozen or so young Fianna Failers who voted again & again to warp the result in their favour. They just want to be future TDs. They will start crying or get cranky with red thumbs if you mention bank bail-outs http://youtu.be/qa6U-K24BY0

Whats frightening Bobby is that the people on here who make sense get many thumbs down

Thats True Dan, you ask a simple question “is the poll fair & not multiple-voted by any party?” & the red thumbs, venom & shocked sarcasm come raining down,

is the idp still active?

Still there.

its just that i stopped receiving e-mails from them ages ago and i see no activity on the web pages since early summer

So are the IDP left or right wing or stuck in the middle ? Never heard of them till this am

they would be described as left by the right but wouldnt describe themselves in such archaic terms, they are going to attempt or are attempting to give bring true democracy to ireland, whereby citizens can introduce referenda and public employees can be removed if they arent up to the job

I love how they imply that democracy is a great thing. Look at the mess it’s caused

The Poll is flawed= After voting here, some people here have been deleting their ID cookie numbers, to return & voted multiple times, mostly by about a dozen or so young Fianna Failers who voted again & again to warp the result in their favour. Aw They just want to be future TDs. http://youtu.be/qa6U-K24BY0

They’ve had their chance in the North. Property Taxes and Water charges for everyone. Implenting the cuts coming from the London conservative government. Same as the rest really.

Implementing the cuts from London? That’s hardly full power, is it? They’ve never had full control, and the north is a different place to govern altogether. If they follow their own rules, there might actually be some change. Now I’m not saying that sinn fein wouldn’t turn into the rest when they get into power (like those before them), but they at least look like they have some backbone to stand up and be counted. They at least deserve the chance in my opinion.

If they don’t stand up to London, how can we expect them to “stand up” to Europe like they say they will?
Ireland doesn’t have full power over its affairs because of the bailout. Their experience in the North shows they don’t rock the boat with the powers at be and just work within the limits.

Just because they have not had a go before is not sufficient grounds to give them a go now surely?

The communist party haven’t had a crack of the whip either given tgey’ve been around longer than any party bar Labour (they’re the original Sinn Fèin) then we should be flocking to them using that logic.

It’s worth remembering SF didn’t accept the legitemacy of any mandate, refferendum or plebicite since the last British run general election in 1919.

There’s a temptation to buy into their anger politics but their policies have to stand up and their connection with death and anti democratic philosophies would have to be severed for many years before I’d consider voting for them.

But look at what the people get for their taxes. A health care system, education, decent roads, sanitation, a proper water service. I pay massive amounts of taxes and charges to line the pockets of TD senators minsters civil servants both past and present and for the rest of their corrupt lives.
FF/FG robbing the Irish people for 80 years.

With everything that’s gone on in the north, it’s a different kettle of fish. They own the north so sinn fein were basically just babysitting up there. In the Republic, we own ourselves for the minute, so they do have a bit more room for maneuver. There is plenty sinn fein could do down here. But as I said in my above comment, nobody can tell if they’ll do anything different or not, but what I can say with absolute certainty, is that none of the others will change anything. They’re happy with the status quo.

Criminal organisation with no place in politics…just like all the rest then.

Chris McDonnell… If you pay massive amounts of tax already then rest assure that when the shinners come into power, they will squeeze the life out of the middle classes. They play reverse politics and disagree with everything, they are nonsense. People are commenting on how easy we forget about ff, well that’s rich seeing as how people seem to forget sinn feins terrorist pass and huge criminal following

Actually, Sinn Fein are pro-middle class.

not necessarily, don’t forget the party drones that go out and try to skew polls like this.

They know how to “sort out” banks alright.

More like clear them out….

They’re fake

Ah good oul Y.f.g. Higgins. Follow dear leader kenny by referring to S.f’s past….Im not a sinner by any means.

yep coz the blueshirts never robbed a bank or hung anyone from a tree, squeaky clean past

The question you have to ask yourself David Higgins YFG member, is not why SF and FF are gaining, it’s why your party is loosing?! It must be…

The paying of billions to unsecured bondholders,
Claiming extortionate expenses,
Refusing to ‘sort out the banks’,
Breaking the pay cap that YOU implemented,
The misappropriating of public funds to sway the electorate in Cref,
Refuse to accept the verdict of supremes court rulings,
Cut, cut, cut public spending on schools, (SNAs)
Tax, tax, tax the average working person into extinction, (pay cuts and usi)
Blunder on TDs racist comments, (hogan)
TDS with vested interests lining their own pockets (stubs-Noonan),
Not to mention the nonexistent 5 point plan

I could go on. Don’t you think you should concentrate on your own party or is it that FG are so scared that their votes are being lost TO SF/FF.

and yeah Dave they know how to clear them out… but sure is your ‘dear leader’ enda filling them back up with our money

Jack…try reading what you post in advance.

Out of the current lot, I’d vote independent. But we need a new party. Is that too hard to understand?

@ Jack Driscoll

New other parties?

The Irish Democratic Party: http://www.irishdemocraticparty.ie/
Or
Direct Democracy Ireland: http://directdemocracyireland.ie

Sli-Nios Fearr, are a party to consider also!

Why would everyone who voted leave a comment? I don’t see any comments for the minority parties, should them votes be disallowed too? Your logic is flawed, I can’t understand the FF lead either by the way!

Now that would be an interesting poll. Could the journal accommodate this idea?

thirded

or maybe leaving the euro and/or the eu

Paul Collins for teashock :)

There was an option for none of above

Because opposing the very household tax they signed the government up to implement in the trioka deal counts as actual policy now does it?

So you voted for fianna fail in the poll. Not surprising seeing as though you’re a member of fianna fail.

You also dispute the fact that fianna fail ruined the country, despite the fact they ran it for the decade up to the collapse and whos fiscal policies and lack of oversight blatantly were the cause of the collapse.

Also not surprising seeing as though you’re a member of fianna fail.

Quick, do the michael martin ‘I don’t accept that’ line…

Dont flatter yoursef ..

Dont flatter yourself ..

P.A.W, are you completely sure that neither you nor your party have been deleting cookies and revoting? Just asking.

sap

Here here! Shur twas a global recession. Ppl shud be greatful for what FF did for the country and the thankless tough desisions taken by the likes of Brian Cowen and Brian Lenihan.

Where’s the Student poster that employs 24 people? Doesn’t he normally troll these type of stories?
Although, I think an obvious replacement has appeared today.

Danny, mammy tucked him up in bed with milk and cookies an hour ago.

why would you bother going to 3 different devices to vote?? really.. have you notging beyter to do with your day.

*nothing better.. jez!! fat fingers :)

I have ny suspicions that’s why the Sinn fein vote is so high too

agreed Sibhs, this ridiculous attitude ‘if you dont vote you have no right to an opinion’ is a total cop out, why vote for a crook just because he/she is the best of a bad lot? that makes you responsible for their actions in office, why vote for someone that doesnt represent your interests? why vote for someone to have big wages and pension and they do nothing for you? its a sham

No of the above

NONE of the above and especially not Fine Gael! Your party’s going down Higgins….hate that wha!!

Why are you deliberately leaving out the Monster Raving Loony party?

how very strange! I just typed in the gobbledeygook on the text for the poll above and it changed it to something closely resembling fianna fáil.

yes the results look suspiciously hacked, for example on my pc both sf and ff have some text after their names, like ‘Sinn Féin’, something similar for ff, looks like they are getting 2 votes for one

Spot on Revolting Peasant, a bout a dozen people, mostly young Fianna Failer hacks are voting again & again to warp the results. I commented on the Fianna Fail, & they blocked me off without warning, freedom of fair speech my a**! Their arrogant nerds of today want to be future TDs. Their jig is up

Ola, was it a Fianna Fail page.

I also think the poll might have an issue with fadas.

A lot of politicians in Uk are wagons aswell. Ireland needs to be more Sparta, politicians are thrown from the cliffs of Moher

Hugh ,let them provide a “decent “opposition forever ,FF should NEVER have power in this country again ,jumping on every bandwagon ,sure they bloody well invented the bandwagons ,and while FF might be in almost every town in Ireland so are rats ,and i wouldent fancy being in direct contact with them either

The way that Fianna Fail opposed Property Taxes, then supported them, then opposed them again in their latest leaflets , sorry but they are pure chancers hahaha

You may not like it but the fact is that we live in a democracy and the Irish people will ultimately decide who remains in opposition and who doesn’t.

Hugh,

How are Fianna Fail a “decent opposition”? What they say and do are two different things. I would never vote FF after being betrayed by them.

You’re either trolling, or deluded, or a mixture of both. You ruined the country once – must you ruin it again?

Sane? LOL

See: http://unitedpeople.ie/fail.html

Fianna Fail’s latest video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa6U-K24BY0

not ula, the socialist party and pbp are extremists that want to nationalise all industry, it just wouldnt work

80 years ago Fianna Fail, Labour & Sinn Fein were all considered “extremists” by the conservative Cumann Na Gaedheal government (with their Blueshirt supporters), by the way is the Irish Democratic Party any different form this new group http://directdemocracyireland.ie/

@ola they were extremists in an extreme environment, history will tell you that you cannot nationalise all industry, especially in a built up country, as the the idp and ddi, on the surface there doesnt seem to be a great deal of difference, i am not very familiar with either of them but the idp looks the more credible outfit to me anyway, the ddi announced its arrival and could well be known to more people already, despite the fact the idp was set up 2 years ago, the idp has been quietly working away, has acquired sufficient membership to receive state funding and recognition, i heard the ddi were in a row with another group over ‘plagiarism’ of their mission statement, not a good start in my book, especially if they have the same ideals, it smacks of non-cooperation and rivalry which seems to be the opposite of what they are trying to achieve, by the same token the idp seem to be remarkably bad at gaining recognition, i e-mailed the leadership of both parties and urged collaboration

Hmmm I.D.P. sound a lot like the Progressive Democrats when they launched in 1985, but yes despite this poll being re-voted again & again by young Fianna Failer hacks, new formations & parties are needed, thanks for the reply :)

they are nothing like the pds

http://www.idp.ie

Nope, I live in a democracy where I’m entitled to support who I want.

They destroyed the country Sean…

You do indeed live in a democracy with the right to support who you like. But that right comes with responsibility to use your vote appropriately. Just out of interest, why would you be in favour of FF?

@Conor: Yet we still live to the standard of a first world country, people have access to all public amenities and we are at a record high in exports thanks to FF. Do me a favour and go look at the Labour election manifesto for 2007 would you?

@John: I support FF because they have consistently represented my beliefs. As someone who comes from a council flat background I now have opportunities open to me that would never have occurred if not for FF, from Donagh O’ Malley right up to the present.

Says it all http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/207509_4557970441287_1780356855_n.jpg never again

Fianna Fail & Fine Gowl summed up http://youtu.be/qa6U-K24BY0 ahahaha

Try as you might Sean, you can’t blame the opposition for the decisions ye made (or chose not to make). First wolrd standard of living? Do me a favour and check out a few areas of north inner city Dublin.

How many other parties have had to contemplate expelling their former leader Sean? There’s a rot in FF, and that rot spread to the country…