good point and if he thought it was cheaper getting two single tickets. He could’ve layed off the beer and bought a return one.

I was just thinking that

Looking for the sympathy vote me thinks and he’ll be looking for a while at me looking for it. On the other hand it’s also a lesson to fight your side of an argument in the cold light of day

He’s looking for sympathy, of course.

Let him produce the ticket, if he has it. Sullen little oik.

@What does him being diabetic have to do with anything?

Apparently when he was thrown off the train, his bag was left on it with all of his medication and university notes.

@Kirk Delaney Hm, I’m not convinced. Someone follows him with his bag. If it’s left on at the end it’s because he threw it back on while trying to get back on.

I know people who, while perfectly sober and alert, can not find one of their tickets that they have paid for in their bag or jacket, not to mention two. The video does not the show the start of the dispute, it only picks it up from where the train conduct is just telling him repeatedly “off, off”. If you knew someone was trying to throw you off a train at night when you were travelling alone back home after you had paid for a ticket you would get anxious as well. That does not excuse Mr. Main’s language or behaviour, but this has clearly turned into a one side of accusation against a young man.

Isn’t diabetes a cause of odd behaviours caused by blood sugar levels. This could be a mild case of that. I knew a woman who used to freak out if she missed her shot.

I with kid on this one.

Those suffering from diabetes can have regular hypoglycemic attacks which cause them to become combative or non-cooperative. If a paramedic or doctor had been there trying to help him and he knew this, he could have acted the same. It may not have been him being verbally non-cooperative, he could have been having a hypoglycemic attack. So, being diabetic could have a lot to do with the awful situation.

He deserved to be assaulted because he was being rude? That is a ridiculous statement to make. If someone curses at you, it doesn’t give you the right to assault them, no matter how much it offends you. It is a matter for the authorities, not vigilantism.

Mine would hav said it wasn’t enough of a commupance!

Imagine, catching a train on a cold December night only to realise you’ve mistakenly been sold 2 single tickets.
Do you think you would step off the train so politely?
I think not.

According to other reports of those on the train too, his baggage was thrown off with him so he didn’t lose a thing.

I agree and his attitude was disgraceful towards the ticket collector if he lost his ticket why was he so aggressive he acted like a true thug and fair play to the big man for assisting the rail employing he was a hero

I’m utterly shocked and horrified by the general response from people condoning the assault which occurred to a young man, regardless of situation. The video here does not show the full story and any issue about tickets or anything else is speculatory at best. What this video shows is a “big man” intervening in a situation which he did not have the full facts of using his size to force a person off a train without any authority to do so and with an unjustified use of force.

While I do not respect the way in which Sam Main handled the issue, he was not being violent in the way people are suggesting, even when being assaulted by the said “big man”. Also, those suffering from diabetes can have regular hypoglycemic attacks which cause them to become combative or non-cooperative. If a paramedic or doctor had been there trying to help him and he knew this, he could have acted the same. It may not have been him being verbally non-cooperative, he could have been having a hypoglycemic attack.

It is a shame that people have such a negative response to young people without justification and act and respond in such a way only with suspicion and that people are hailing a person who committed assault and trespass in such a way. No matter what the circumstances or how in wrong the person is, this is a terrible situation and this was an absolutely wrong and shameful result.

His med’s WERE NOT left on the train by the way.
His entire baggage was given to him seconds after he was ejected.
This has been confirmed by fellow passengers.

What makes you think it was his entire baggage, if you don’t mind? Got a good look at the overhead and entire seating area?

Those on the train said he had ONE bag – and that was taken off with him. Given to him on the platform.

Biggins31: Again, if like the full video you claim to have, it would be great if you could send me a link to where ‘those on the train’ said that it was given to him. Thanks.

Hey Rory, is this a friend if yours?!!!!

Gordon Bernard: No. Read my earlier comments where I criticise the alleged fare dodger and the reaction by the man. And how exactly is sticking up for an issue that affects me personally showing favoritism? Just as others are praising the man who assaulted the ‘fare dodger’, I am critcising it. Which is why you seem to believe that he is a friend of mine. One quite clearly do not accuse people who criticise Obama of being friends with Sarah Palin.

Apologies pedantic Rory.

Apology accepted.

Just some info re some of the comments about tickets.

I travel frequently by train in the UK. In Britain return train tickets, bought from the counter or the machine, consist of an outbound ticket and a separate ticket for the return journey. In many stations the ticket barrier, upon exit at the destination station, retains your inserted ticket. This means a separate one is needed for the return journey. I assume this is done a) to reduce staffing at railway stations by using barrier machines to check tickets and b) to prevent a ticket being used more than once (as the ticket can often be valid for a number of days)

Also, depending on times of travel, 2 single tickets are often cheaper than a return ticket

Anyone who can’t see the kids position that is

I fully agree Holly, If I was the boy`s father I would want the bigman jailed,He acted like a thug. The fact is, no matter what you or I think or any one else on here thinks, the bigman broke the law and will be charged with assault.

@Rob I never stuck up for him, I said they’re both in the wrong. But at the end of the day, “big man” assaulted somebody in an unprovoked attack, ie, he wasn’t being cursed at or verbally abused, but took it upon himself to bring in a physical element. And if you’ve ever used British transport, you’d know that before you leave the station your ticket is taken off you, and there is no way of getting it back. Again, not sticking up for him, just stating the truth. And yes, you’d like to “think” you’d throw somebody off a train for not having a ticket, but odds are you wouldn’t follow through with it, and if you did it would clearly be pre-meditated as you’ve said it here. Id hardly call him a “daddy’s” boy either, just because he goes to college. I plan on going to college, not because I’m a “daddy’s” girl, but because in a few years time it will be me, and people like me, who are getting this country out of the mess our elders got us into.

Is somebody ‘privileged’ now if his dad still cares about him at 19 and he goes to college? I would’ve thought this is the norm generally nowadays!

“The hypocracy of some of the keyboard warriors on here” and you finish it off with ” hope he gets fucked off a train.” eh hello?

It is hard to believe Ray.

Lads can i live in your fairy tail world?

Tom what do you mean fairy tale world?

The one where in the same situation in fairy tale land where everyone shuts up and waits for the authorities.

Tom: I wasn’t aware that fairies had tails…. :)

My ones do Rory :-)

I stand corrected :P

While your view seems reasoned and rational, it is a fictional account of the events, as this was not shown on the video of the event. Our knowledge of the events only starts when the train conductor is telling the boy repeatedly to get off the train without giving any chance for reasoned recourse.

And the law is anything from simple in this area. A citizen’s arrest should also only be performed with notification to local constabulary that such an action is taking place. Such action is permitted under 24A of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 only for an indictable offence and one in which physical harm may occur to others. None of this was present in this situation. The actions of “the big man” were not only unlawful but were cause for both civil and possibly criminal action.

He claims he paid for a return and received 2 singles but for the same direction of the journey. If he’s not lying then I can see both sides here. As for the ‘bigman’? He completely overstepped his boundaries. The ticket inspector should have issued a fine in which the young man could appeal later. This was badly handled on all 3 sides

I absolutely agree. This was assault, plain and simple. It doesn’t matter that the passenger was rude and possibly fare dodging, it doesn’t give someone the right to physically throw him off the train. The transport police are responsible for dealing with situations like this.

Pat the bigman is a violent thug,this is not a wrestling match where we can call out for who we want to win. The police should have been sent for then we could have seen if the boy had a ticket or not, Pat you and others on here seem to think violence is a way of resolving a problem, the courts will learn you different.

Pat: Was the conductor being robbed/raped/beaten? I agree in those situations it’s time to step in, but if you see someone arguing over whether they have paid or not, would you be pleased if your sister/mother were assaulted by this ‘hero’ who stepped in. I would praise this guy for his courage in any other situation.

I’m utterly shocked and horrified by this response. If you watch the video first of all this was late at night, quite possibly the last train of the night where people we’re going home. The delay which was minor in comparison to the results, was only for people more than likely trying to get home.

On the issue of violence, again if you watch the video (while I do not respect the way in which Sam Main handled the issue) he was not being violent, as violence implies physical force, which the child does not do at any point, even when being assaulted by the said “big man”. Also, those suffering from diabetes can have regular hypoglycemic attacks which cause them to become combative or non-cooperative. If a paramedic or doctor had been there trying to help him and he knew this, he could have acted the same. It may not have been him being verbally non-cooperative, he could have been having a hypoglycemic attack.

On the issue of breaking the law, the child in question was only suspected of not having paid the fare. But lets face it, if he bought a ticket going in, why would have not bought a ticket coming back, while it would be irregular for the mistake to occur, that is not to say it didn’t. If this happened to a senior citizen (even one who had been drinking or abusive) they would not be thrown of the train. It’s age discrimination here.

But on the other side of who was breaking the law, regardless of whether Mr.Main had a valid ticket or not, the “Big Man” was committing a common law act of trespass against the person, by inflicting a non-consensual unreasonable, unjustified use of physical force against the person. The person did not the specifics of the situation, he did not ask to clarify the situation, he did not ask Mr. Main about his ticket, he just asked the conductor was this the person he suspected and man handled him off the train. If this happened to any family member or friend of yours regardless of the situation you would rightfully be furious. This was a clear unjustified use of force by someone who should not have gotten involved.

Yes, if you know a crime is being committed and you are reasonable sure and justified in that opinion and you suspect that loss will be gravely suffered if someone does not intervene, and you are sure there is no one else who can resolve the situation and if a physical or sexual assault is in progress you may use a reasonable proportioned response to intervene. That was not the case here.

It is a shame that people have such a negative response to young people without justification and act and respond in such a way only with suspicion and that people are hailing a person who committed assault and trespass in such a way. No matter what the circumstances or how in wrong the person is, this is a terrible situation and this was an absolutely wrong and shameful result.

The conductor was an old man. Just looking for a pay off. Wrong ticket.. …. What’s new?

+1 Sir. Stereotypical following the pack. Imagine if the video was titled ‘Man attacks guy on train’ T’would be an interesting social experiment.

The elderly ticket collector repeatedly asked for the proper ticket from the chap.
WHEN the person started to get abusive, thats when he was asked to vacate the train.
Workers are allowed to do this when they feel they and/or others are in trouble and a possible breach of the peace/violence might occur.

This is what the elderly worker did then. He for the sake of his own worry about himself and possibly other passengers, asked the young man to leave.
The young man didn’t.

As for crap being said elsewhere on forum, of the “Big Man” pushing his weight around…
Take a good look at the man would ye! If that man wanted to push his full weight around, he clearly would have done some more serious damage if he wanted to.
He didn’t – he used proportional force to see that the elderly worker was no longer abused and that the thug was ejected from the train without having to break bones, etc.

If the lad had done was was asked of him in the first place, had he actually produced a paid for ticket for the journey he was on, had he been polite, even apologetic – guess what – he would have arrived safely at his eventual destination on time with the rest.
…But he decided to speak and behave like a prick. He reaped what he sowed – and serve him right!

Ray McGrath – instead of standing up for a young teenage abusive thug that CLEARLY has no respect for the elderly, never mind a younger worker – how about you equally stand up for fellow passengers that have to live daily with abusive pups that often make their ugly presence known on similar journeys via train or bus etc!

Biggins31: Read my comment above Ray Mc Grath please. The situation was non-violent until tge man stepped in, totally unaware of even who the conductor was talking to. He viscously assaulted the personin question, escalating the situation by adding violence. If I saw a person leaning on my neighbours fence, both arguing verbally, would you introduce violence by tackling the man to the ground inducing a blood injury? I think not. If you read my previous comment, I said that he should have investigated the situation and if necessary use adequate force to remove him, with the help of the conductor. Someone always steps in to be the macho man, but in the end it just escalates a situation that could have ended peacefully. They could have called the police to lawfully remove him from the train. The woman could have bbeen injured as he tackled the person in question to the ground. You very clearly hear him.say ‘sorry’ as he tackles the guy into him. A woman also feels that it is excessive force, and she was in the carriage. ‘There’s no need for that.’ We also hear other misguided people clapping as what they feel is a thug and a yobbo is assaulted in front of them. Now, what do you think would happen if a 70 year old man was also issued a duplicate ticjet instead of a return, and couldn’t produce the other ticket? Would he also be removed from the carriage on a dark winter’s night?

We also haven’t seen the full clip. who knows, the conductor could have refused to recognise the duplicate, or been aggressive.

The full clip is available on the net. Its everywhere.
From the very start when the young man was approached, he response was nothing but aggressive to the elderly ticket collector.

To be actually sincere now, if u could send me a link to the >2:30 vid it would be great as this is the one I base my comments on.

Rory, he didn’t “tackle” the chap on the train. He was shoving him along backwards and they lost their balance, falling in on top of the woman. The police should have been called to take care of it to protect everyone involved. He also shouldn’t have speared him to the ground at the door, could have paralysed the chap. He did ask the conductor if he wanted him to put him off, to which he replied yes. So it wasn’t all down to the “big man”. Also, at 1:48 approx you can see a guy in blue jacket with stripe across the back throwing off his bag.

I agree no need for it he no better for it just leave the man on the train and sort it at the stop he was suppose to get off.

Rory, the situation was abusive, that is enough for the inspector to have the individual expelled from the train. By refusing to leave the individual is himself breaking the lawful request of the train operator to leave its property and just like any bar (I am sure you don’t know yet being only 15) you will be physically ejected! The only difference here is that the person doing the ejecting was not a bouncer nor an employee of the train company, just a normal person like you and me who is sick of carry on like this from people who should know better!

Kid

People like you make me laugh, in your own words, he’s a kid, he’s allowed to make mistakes. Just because you’re older than someone doesn’t always mean that you’ll always be right, and the prejudice against the younger generation will only continue happening if narrow minded people like you can’t open their eyes to the bigger picture. Violence solves nothing, it’s been proven on countless occasions. He didn’t lay a finger on anybody, he was rude to the conductor, yeah, but he didn’t square up to him. The conductor was no spring chicken, and has clearly seen this happen time and time again, which should really make you question why he allowed a grown man to lay hands on somebody else. If the conductor can’t do his job properly, they should hire somebody else. As the saying goes, if you can’t handle the heat, get out of the kitchen.

How will the bigman feel when it is him walking away with a criminal record?

I think Tom you have plenty of money to pay for your own ticket but if I was on the train and someone was going to throw you off for having no ticket and I had money I would without doubt pay for your fare.

Great stuff John. Good on ya