where do you live? maybe we can send it to you if that’s what ur in to (: chances are if you live in dublin some of it will be urs anyway…take it back, we don’t want it.

I live outside Skibbereen on a farm….. Fact remains, sewage needs to be treated… People in Skibbereen fought to get funding for a sewage treatment facility….

That is the point, there are several treatment plants in the area already, this plant is a super plant to treat leinsters waste. I am sure as much as skib want a treatment plant the residents don’t want one that will treat the entire munster area.

and how many residence & businesses are in the greater area now since they were constructed? do you think those outdated smaller plants could facilitate the increased urban sprawl that fingal, north dublin & the peripherals experienced in the last decade? accept change, accept improved services & stop claiming ‘it will affect fishing and farming in the area’ negatively because it will probably improve both have better treated effluent for local ecology to improve. so stop displacing your poo onto someone elses problem plate & deal with it

As I have said there are treatment plants to meet local needs, they ned upgrading but we have no issue with that. As you said…stop displacing UR poo into us. We have our own.

if there was a green field site beside me that was in accordance with regulations, strict monitoring was regulated and I knew the technology implimented was sound and efficient I would allow one be built for the greater good, not because I’m small minded and simpleton to major issues. and since we’re citing each other trying to scrape a barrel, practice what you preach, as you said in another thread “dont comment on something you dont know anything about”

You aren’t making any sense…this is a debate not an argument, grow up. You want to put ur area up for consideration go ahead, then look into the pros and cons, I’m sure ur neighbours will love you.

Seems people are a little confused about this issue… the waste does need to be treated… absolutely, each community should be treating their own waste… The issue in Fingal is.. that North County Dublin are already treating their sewage but the councils for the city and Kildare and Meath want to pump their sewage to North County Dublin… onto argi land where they wouldn’t let people build on their own land as its AGRI Land … they want North County Dublin to treat everyone elses sewage… now that is wrong!

don’t comment on something if you don’t know anything about it. this is the process to decide on a site, all the areas proposed have come together to say no, it is a case of fair share, we already treat our own waste for the fingal area, this treatment plant is to treat the entire dublin area…do you think that an area that grows 75% of the country’s veg is the best place for a massive sewage treatment plant? then there are the beaches, the shellfish beds not to mention the residents who already have Baleally landfill, Nevitt superdump, Thornton Hall, and a toxic chemical treatment plant either already in place or in the plan for the next couple of years. Fingal has taken more that it’s fair share. We have to fight to protect what we have not flush it down the toilet.

so by flushing it down the loo you expect it to just disappear Niamh? or into your septic tank which is grossly polluting to local ecology compared to a communal super treatments plant? listen to yourself for one minute & consider this: new technology and new facilities brings better treatment processes meaning better ecology because the effluent decreases.

As I have said several times already there are treatment plants already in place to treat fingals waste….we object to a super plant to treat leinster area when there are alternatives.

you dont know what your talking about, portrane beach is blue flag status, and in my opinion, the most beautiful in dublin. that area is rich with bird life, not to mention the varieties of shellfish, much of which I am sure end up on dinner plates, wouldnt fancy the threat of a giant waste facility near that, especially one that will treat the whole dublin area, as well as parts of meath and kildare? what a joke.

Come on…really??? You trust this process??? Are you crazy? What happens when something goes wrong? When pumps fail? Where does it go then tell us? It goes untreated into the sea. And what about the smell, do you trust them with that too? Yeah that really worked at ringsend didn’t it? Especially in the summer, it was a joy to be within three miles of there if you love the stench of sewage. And NIMBYism…really? Who would want it in their back yard? It will be the second biggest treatment plant in the country, and the other one is in an industrial area, this isn’t an industrial area. There are alternatives, put it out at the airport where it will affect no one and the drainage works are already in place..what is wrong with that.

Google “sewage leak Leith Scotland” and imagine this happening at your back door.

This is being foisted on the people of Fingal in a completely anti-democratic way. It didn’t help that our knuckle-dragging County Councillors signed off on this as part of the Fingal Development Plan actually voted it though before realising the consequences (FCC Minutes 23 March 2011). Of course now they’re trying to back-pedal as fast as their fat little legs will carry them but it’s too late for us now.

The nine sites are all in the same area. No matter where the sites are located the sewage will be pumpted into the sea just off the coast of Skerries – in fishing grounds, near farms and where people used to enjoy bringing their children to the beach. Fingal already has had a “super-dump” foisted on us – isn’t that enough?

That was at Conor Masterson

Read up on this and educate yourself. All the proposed sites are to in the Lusk area. The sizes of the sites vary from 32 ha to a whopping 114 ha (bigger than Ardgillan Park). Wherever the plant is located, the fact remains that the waste will be pumped into the sea between Shenick and Lambay Islands. That’s all the waste for North County Dublin, North and South Inner City Dublin, South Kildare and South Meath – 750,000 people – being pumped into the sea just outside your parents’ house. The plant you’re talking about – which is also being extended – is just dwarfed in comnparison to this.

To see what could happen when a similar sized plant fails, just google “sewage leak Leith Scotland” and imagine the damage it could to to fisheries and farming around Skerries if a similar accident happens. On a Summer day, people in the city centre can smell the waste plant in Ringsend – imagine what it’s going to smell like at your parents’ house when the waste comes spilling out?

Fingal residents have no problem with smaller sewage plants along the coast, dealing with our own waste, but a plant on an industrial-sized scale such as this is ill-conceived and only being pushed by the County Council because of the income generating potential. Fingal has taken enough of the rest of Leinster’s rubbish – time to say stop.

wish i could thumb up more than once

So do I.

There is a very big one already in Shankill……beside Killiney, a big one in dun laoighaire too

We actually have a sewage treatment facility on Killiney Beach, it’s currently being upgraded. Typical hard done by northsider attitude – everything’s always perfect on the south side.

Fingal has several plants similar to those in killiney/shankill, this is the point. Fingal already treats its own waste, the proposed plant its to treat the majority.of the leinster area, we don’t object to treatment plants to treat local waste, we object to a massive plant when there are alternatives.

I am a southsider who has ended up living northside, and let me tell you there is a good reason that attitude exists. as for those treatment facilities near killiney etc, they are nowhere near the colossal scale we are talking for this new place. also it should be noted that portrane already agreed to a waste water scheme that is currently in progress so the idea that the people in this area do not understand the issue or appreciate the need is stupid. the fact that the area was then named as a potential site for the monster facility also? the pro- monster facility notes on this page bear the same barely concealed resentment that the pro 9foot anti flood wall in clontarf drew. why shouldn’t we rise to the occasion to protect and preserve these beautiful places in dublin, for the enjoyment of all, including wildlife. it has never been more important and who else will do it? when the pain of the next few budgets hit, these are the places you can come to to escape. and it wont cost you- unless this idiotic plan goes ahead.

well if there was a site to build it on sure.. oh wait, urban sprawl put that idea out to pasture..

You’re taking the p*ss

Great idea eggfuel!

Am I right in believing these plants also produce compost?

If so this could help horticulture in the area

Yes they also produce usable manure as a result if the cleanup.
They are a good idea for that whole area and the sad thing is that if it was done right the area should be fighting to have it built near then not the other way around..
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I’m very glad to see pro-environmental lobbyists actually exist instead of the small-minded opinions that’s been whinging about these issues lately. keep it up! and keep educating!

If the plant goes through the four phases of treatment I would fully advocate it.

I think the fact of the matter is a large amount of sewage circulates through this area and needs to be treated.

The plant is to treat the greater dublin area. There are already treatment plants in place to treat fingal. We have no problem with smaller treatment, plants to meet local demand.

Landfills in Ireland are as good as any in the EU (with one notable exception, but that’s closed now via the high court and clean-up is in place). We keep on knocking ourselves unnecessarily. This is because Ireland moved away from having a 100 small town dumps to having less than 20 engineered landfills. The same improvements happened when the NRA came into being; suddenly we got decent roads and motorways because having 34 Local authorities each building their own road networks wasn’t working. The same principles apply across the board, 1 large modern and well regulated super sewage treatment plant is better than 10’s of smaller plants. I currently have no opinion on the choice of the location in Fingal.

I should add that when I say that Irish landfills are as good as any in the EU: the ones in the EU have their problems too (even in Germany and Belgium).

Speaking of landfills – this just posted on twitter –

From Twitter:

“Alan Farrell TD
@AlanFarrell
Following

I have just been informed that the Tooman/Nevitt Landfill proposal for #fingal will not go ahead.”

Thats a start terry, wonder will fcc now extend the licence for baleally?

1. Galway issue was about water treatment. 2. Water was affected by lack of sewage treatment. 3. Problem has been fixed. 4. You want better roads- pay more tax.

There is a Whitepaper on the “Greater Dublin Strategic Drainage study” here:

http://www.engineersireland.ie/media/engineersireland/community/whitepapers/Greater%20Dublin%20Strategic%20Drainage%20Study.pdf

One of features of Document is the predicted growth of the population within the study area from 1,489,962 in 2011 (2006 prediction) to 2,054,401 by 2031, that’s a growth of 27%.

That white paper was written in 2006 – Ireland was a different country then. The rate of houses being built has halted completely. Population growth has stalled. That paper’s predictions are seriously flawed taking into account the current political climate.

the proposed super dump was canceled, the massive sewage plant is still on the cards unfortunately.