Maybe the ‘Professional’ Gardai Management or Administration could answer…. How many bankers have been arrested, investigated and imprisoned? How many arrests, investigations and sentences have there been for white collar crime or political & planning corruption in this country ? How many Tribual findings have been acted on and arrests made in this country ? Why is anything related to the banking crisis, planning or political corruption if investigated at all these investigations are at the speed of a Tortoise in reverse ??

Does our Professional Police force actually want to catch anyone or are they doing what they are told ??

If the Gardai could stumble into Easons some day and look at the number of published books which identify the corruption and strokes that have been pulled in this country and answer how these go unpunished in a supposed civil and fair society with an Independent and Profeesional Police Force?

This country and the Gardai (presumbly at management level) only seem to implement the laws for the little people… When the Professional Gardai Management and Administration show the moral courage to enforce the full rigours of the law for all of society then they will have my full support….

I do have sympathy for fontline services but we have allowed a society were its one rule for us and one rule for the rest. I’m afraid the frontline Gardai are on the other side of this rule…

Just to answer your question on bankers. Sean Fitzpatrick should be in court January next year. The file for his prosecution has about 28 million documents in it. It is slow tedious work and we all wish it could be done quicker

The DPP decide if anyone is charged and brough to court, the courts decide if they are to be convicted, the gardai just do the arresting and gathering evidence etc. the gardai dont decide on guilt or innocence or hand pick who they want to send to jail. Last time I checked Seanie Fitz etc were before the circuit criminal court awaiting trial. White collar crime along with other complex criminal investigations require a stupuidly high level of investigation here as our justice system is completely set up in favour of the offenders, the courts heard that there was several million documents that were part of the criminal case against the former Anglo golden circle. Investigations of that size do not get done over night.

If we were to convict people purely on the basis of what is wrote down in books in easons then what would stop someone writing lies to vindictively have an innocent person go to jail?

I’d hate to break it you but anything found in a tribunal isn’t admissible in a criminal prosecution. That’s why they’re only blame laying investigations and pretty much defunct. They cost millions, take years and only point the finger.

you comments are so true and you comments are truth, you should be awarded”"” person of the year.

We are not independent of the govt and that the problem, bankers etc has brought the country to its knees, they thought the Provos were going to destroy the govt. it’s all these lads should be arrested under offences against the state.

Hear Hear Very Well Said.

Flexibility is a necessary part of structural reforms, is it not?

Do you just copy as paste the same comment on every thread?

Exactly, End Of.

Should Start From The Top Down.

How you think he got there. Hard to break habbit of a lifetime

It’s well known in the guards that the commissioner and shatter can’t stand each other!

Thats what i dont understand, some day, like us all he will be on his death bed snd he’ll look back over his life and all he’ll see is the fact that rather thsn been a man he was a little puppet for an arsehole. Bet he’ll be proud of himself

Gerry How Come We Pay Millions To Our Politicians and Top Civil Servants And We Still End Up With Monkeys.

well as a former ass commissioner said yesterday he does not think much thought if any was put into this. of course playing ball gets 2 year extension and if he did not play ball would be out on his ear and next man willing to cut would be appointed. But really they should think of legacy. Pat byrne was seen as a good fair commissioner who smiled engaged with guards and media, Conroy media shy quite man who did not want to rock the boat. Murphy was much the same but a nice man by all accounts.

just goes to show really FG are pushing it same with hospitals being closed and they are rotten to the core. Promise the sun moon and stars but deliver nothing. Say what you want about FF sure they got us into this mess in first place but….. during the boom years did not hear FG objecting, would have done same thing had they been in charge. As for SF if they told me the sky was blue outside id still wanna go out and check.

Funnily Enough Stewie Your Comment Re Pat Byrne As Commissioner has been mentioned by A few Guards over the past Few Weeks. Some Comments Even Suggested that He Would Be Welcomed Back If He Was Allowed. As For The Shinners I have to Agree With YouThere Also But It Looks From Listening To People Talking Both Young And Not So Young S/F Are Going To Have Hugh Support At The Next General Election. They Can Thank The 3 Main Stream Parties In The Republic For That Support.

Shatter won’t change so expect this bout o blue flu i reckon and the people are fully behind the Garda for foing so too.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE \o/

The Men and Women Of The Gardai Are 99.9 Per Cent Decent Ordinary Fathers / Mothers / Sons / Daughters And Do a Dangerous Thankless Job. Many Have Made The Ultimate Sacrifice Protecting The People Of Ireland. They Deserve to Be Looked After Properly. The Parasite Politicians and Garda Top Brass On Massive Wages And Perks Should Be Shown To Be The Pariahs That They Are. How Dare They Think and Insist That The Front Line Garda Should Do Their Job On Wages That Do Not Reflect The Dangerous Job They Do.

Speed Dial no.1 on his keypad!

Big Wages Big Pension Don’t Rock The Boat. F..k You Jack I’m Alright.

I have Heard it said that the GRA Are a Useless Bunch Alright, I Guess We Will See Over The Coming Weeks How True That Is.

Sooner the Better I’m Sorry To Say, but lets get it On. Enough Is Enough.

Are you not dead?? Seriously I saw it happen.

Good man Richie

Hold Tough Richie Maybe They Will Hand Ye Down The Audi’s When They Are Finished Arse Licking Their Masters From Brussels In Them In a Few Months Time.

Indeed Ted. Of late I have actually begun to wonder how the Commissioner sits down comfortably while Minister Shatters arm in lodged in his rectum…can’t be a nice feeling! Then again the Commissioners €200K Salary with benefits easily offsets this inconvenience. He doesn’t need to worry about cuts as they won’t affect him…

Toorkeel, just because he’s earning a high salary doesn’t mean that he doesn’t feel bad about cuts. I think you should cut him some slack, he’s under enormous pressure and he seems to be doing a good job. Besides, the cuts were brought in by the Minister and I’m fairly certain the Commissioner doesn’t haven’t any power in that area.

Has he no power to fight for the people under his control?

The best thing for the gardai to do, if they do indeed suddenly come down with a flu, is to all get it. Stick together.

This time round there are no probationers under threat of losing their jobs if ye ring in sick. But do it together as one. They won’t sack ye all !!!

One for all and all for one !!!

Denis, of course he can fight for them. What I meant was that he has no power to, for example, reverse pay cuts or reopen garda stations.

It was his suggestion according to Shatter that and what Stations were to be closed. He Callinan is a disgrace to Irish Society and Insult to the Uniform that Front Line Garda wear with Pride.

Agree totally and this time the Public are behind them

Well he Thinks He Is
So Much More Important, Maybe He Should Come Down With Blue Flue Until He Gets More Money In line With His Importance.

Please Stop Believing SPIN As Fact.

So start at the Top

Don’t feed the troll people :)

If your going to make a comment like that at least back it up, otherwise you look like nothing more than a troll

It’s actually so obvious that he’s trolling it’s getting laughable but sure hey, if that’s his only way of getting kicks then I say let him at it.

Good lad joe!!! Anymore jokes???

I suspect that joe is the joke here. His comments are like the ramblings of an idiot who believes anything he reads in the media. He’s not being taken seriously on this site and I suspect that he’s probably not taken seriously in life either.

Totally agree Jim!

Stop Jim Melia, you’re really hurting my feelings today.

The fact is the last time the Gardai had a “blue flu” day, they did immense reputational damage to themselves. 5 members of the Real IRA attempted a robbery on a cash in transit van in Wicklow. Let them have a blue flu today, and see how much public support they have then.

Lol

Yet again joe you’ve shown how delusional you are. There is massive public support for gardai out there, I suspect more so than there’s ever been. You just keep coming with the comments, they really are a source of amusement for me at this stage :)

Happy to oblige Jim.

And my point is let’s see how much support they have if they try another blu flu day, and the Real IRA or some other subversives try another heist, as they did last time there was a blu flu in AGS.

that robbery was put down with one fella shot dead that day of blue flu joe :)

ah your priceless really. Why are we feeding him i must ask?? is it the case that trolls are cute when like puppies??

actually this point is not troll feeding but a good way to gauge public support for front line.

If you feel that gardai should have industrial action green thumb

if you feel no red thumb and lets see the ” damage”

i’ll kick it off with a green

Correct us if we are wrong Joe but weren’t the criminals caught on that particular day. You really are doing your best here aren’t you. You may very well be an intelligent guy for all we know but your posts are so predictable at this stage that no one is taking you seriously.

Ah Stewie, you’re back again after running off yesterday. Are you still claiming you know more about policing than the highest ranking police officers in the State?

And in today’s Irish Times – http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2013/0204/1224329604399.html

“Any discussion of the number of Garda stations in Ireland should begin with a recognition that the country has an exceptionally high number of police stations, even with the recent closures.”

“This will not be done in local Garda stations but by organised Garda units that work across the country, conducting investigation and surveillance, and co-operating with policing agencies beyond our borders.”

But I’m sure your vast knowledge still trumps that of a leading criminologist, as well as the highest ranking garda officers.

Mike Brennan, they were caught and there was a Real IRA member shot dead. Hence why I said “attempted” robbery. Nevertheless, at the time there was a public backlash, and the gardai lost a lot of public support, and suffered reputational damage.

hehe it does :) and yes when it comes to front line policing i feel i do know more then the pen pushersbut of course if people were to listen to management of ANS everything is rosey in the garden. Car shortage what car shortage?? well all someone has to do is walk down to local station and ask if they have transport.

Not directed at Joe but just in general. My way of cutting cost in AGS

lets say your standard 1.8 ford monedo 30k to buy gov takes vrt and vat away from that and on fleet deal lets say they get it for half that so 15k (i am being very very kind with that figure). Driven into ground as its run 24/7 up to 300,000km in that time has to be services every 10’000km and must be overall each time new brakes disk and pads new filters new bits and bobs so thats €500 at least so thats €15000 to maintain it over its life……. but also cars are rammed and crashed and instead of being written off are put back on road so repair damage can run maybe up to €10’000 euro in its life. so overall that car has cost the taxpayer anything up to €40’000 euro. and no return for state

My idea would be by fit for purpose cars lets say 525D BMW take out vat and vrt and fleet deal probably would be in mid €20.000. so anyway drive it till 100K take it off road and sell it to public. Car would have best of services and still a long happy life ahead of it and 100,00km would be up in under a year so think of it joe public getting 5.25 thats a 131 reg for around mid €20’000. The car has now cost the state nothing at all only its upkeep. everyone is happy proper patrol car, tax payer getting great deal and some body getting a car same year for almost half the price. Savings would not be noticed for almost a year but apply that across the garda fleet. There you go truckload of money saved.

Actually this is the model they use down under. so ask me again do i know more then they do and i will say YES.

not engaging with you Joe the troll but glad i got chance to show public how savings can be made without reducing service.

About 3/4 of gardai were not even in the guards when blue flu happened. I can see nowhere saying that the rep bodies are considering blue flu. It’s a media speculation at best.

media speculation yes but seems to be alot of anger among the guards. The gra and agsi have to ballot members do they accept the terms of any deal. Want guess result?? When that no vote comes in they have to ballot again on taking action. I’d say we will see something be it blue flu or work to rule but its down the road.

It was the provisional IRA and they were all caught. Your a tool.

It was the Real IRA in 1998, not the Provisional IRA. One of them was shot dead.

Quite ironic to call someone a moron and not know the difference between “you’re” and “your”.

Quite ironic that you question intelligence with your comments

I made no statement on intelligence, rather you did with your “tool” and “moron” reference. I made a comment on the irony of your attempted insult.

So Shatter has Two Arse Lickers I Suppose Callinan needs a Break Every Now And Then Well Done Joe Don’t Get Any Stains On That Blue Shirt.

Joe let the bloody Cash Vans Go To Hell, The Staff Could Refuse To Operate Them Without Escort. Or maybe yourself Might Offer to Mind Them If Your So Worried About Them. Why Should Our Gardai Put Themselves In Harms Way When They Are Being Treated Like Something That Stuck On Shatters Shoe. They Do An Extremely Dangerous Job As Unfortunately Has Been Shown Over The Past Few Weeks. Stop Believing all The Spin Being Put Out By Your Fellow Blue Shirt Agitators. No One Other Than Blue Shirt Wearers Do.

Again Joe You Seem To Be The Only One That Is Worrying About Cash In Transit Vans. Maybe Your One Of The Few People With Enough Money To Worry About It.

What Comic Did You Read That On Joe, The Key Stone Cops.

Stewie No One In Government Or Garda Management or Top Civil Servant Would Have The Brains Or Foresight To See That This Idea Could Save The State Money. They Are Only Programmed To Do One Thing Squander Tax Payers Money.

Who in their Right Mind Would Blame Them.

Clutching At Straws Joe.

Wow, Joe, do you really think the Minister is doing a good job? You must really like the idea of a police State!

Call in the Army, they have more self-respect.

Harry Harry your logic is flawed there my friend. PSNI stands for the police service of Northern Ireland, they have no jurisdiction to operate in the republic. Besides the fact they police using a different set of laws. I’m actually a little embarrassed for you.

Ah Harry! Are ye still bitter about no getting into the Guards!?! C’mon now! Chin Up & move on, stop ranting about the Gardai! Besides, why would u prosecute someone for being sick!?!

Oops, you had another little brain fart there Harry.

That’s a very good point Joe.

Under the Garda Siochana Act 2005 balloting gardai on industrial action is illegal.

Who is gonna prosecute the gra or 10,000 guards when they walk out? Maybe you will joe. Best of luck with that. By the way your surprising silent on your other little thread but tjemwhy wouldn’t you be.

I Wonder the journal is it possible to permanently block an obvious trolls IP? ?

@youdontknowme

A criminal conviction will be a lot worse the guards than the three mortgages they took out and are struggling to pay.

Your a moron.

@ youdontknowme

“Trol ;) nom nom nom.
I’d love to know any guards with more then one homeloan.
Anyway journal as you monitor comments as I asked is it possible to block trolls?
Thinking of the site here. This trol could make very slanderous comments. Has done and they were removed but sure all it needs is to be seen and the journal would be subject to legal action. Personally id be watching troll comments like hawks before the journal does get sued.
Anyway thats just me ::) ”

Signs of getting desperate in an argument.

1. Lying – no comments of mine were removed, none were defammatory.
2. Advocating censorship
3. On the grounds that something might be said – is that some kind of George Bush pre-emptive strike?
4. Lack of knowledge of defamation law – each author on here is responsible for what they publish, and is traceable through their IP address. Thejournal would not get sued once it can show it has a systematic approach to removing problematic comments, carries out regular reviews.

It’s actually frightening to think there are members of AGS like you walking around.

Who said I’m a guard? Could have family in the service? Could be just concerned citizen. Your comments by your own admission were blocked. You would get them removed several times before that happens.

Actually while the poster posts comments it can be the site owner who also gets done. This goes back to Transport minister Martin Cullen and his former PR adviser, Monica Leech, sought compensation in 2005 for damage to their reputation after a caller to Liveline made lewd suggestions about them live on air. Rte settled.

Anyway you only think you know what your talking about.

Mind you obvious guards on the site do take your arguememts apart.

Don’t worry joe the troll about me or my likes in guards upsetting you. Don’t have worry about that. Mind you does please me to know with that intelligence level and huge misinformation that we don’t have to worry about you having to make decisions. Well I’m sure your in position where you can offer EXPERT advice such as would you like fries with that!!!

Done joe the troll you blatent lies and hated have been exposed. Won’t be answering :) mind you others are welcome to quite like the ramblings

Your a blankety blank :-)

@Clarence Sweney “Your a moron”.

Quite ironic that you don’t know the difference between you’re and your in that attempted insult.

I suppose you would like to see them ( army) wear Blue Shirts While Minding The Cash In Transit Vans Joe.

And who Thought Up That Legislation Joe, Could It Have Been Politicians So That They Could Make Sure Their Minions Stayed Where They Wanted Them To Be. Under The Boot.

Does Jealously Or Maybe Envy Appear To Be Raising Its Ugly Head Joe.

Ah, someone else who wants a police State! Yes that’s a good idea arm the police, set them apart from the people even more-nice call Harry!

Your of the impression garda stations have internet. Never mind working computers

Tax payers computers…in a Garda Station – you having a laugh Tony or are you just really that poorly informed? You seem like you have a bit of an agenda yourself – care to give us some more examples of when the Gardai have dictatedand subverted?

You’re a sap Harry! Get a grip man!

*meant Harry obviously!

Oh dear Harry, the amount of verbal diarrhoea you’re coming out with is incredible. Have we a new troll among our midst I ponder??

The members of AGS swore a solemn oath to protect lives and property and to bring criminals to justice, yet here they are about to tell lies again en masse, and not bother show up for work. They should not be paid if they go absent.

Good man yourself Joe. Keep it up. A few more posts by you though and you will have to change your name as the attention that you so badly crave will run out. Where will you be left then you poor divil?

Mike, when I see posts about Shatters rectums getting several hundred thumbs up, I know I’m on the right track when a post containing facts and statistics gets an equal number of thumbs down. The day I base my posting on populism, or number of thumbs up I can get, is the day I get a lobotomy.

No one said anything of the like, the indo spreading unfounded dangerous rumours. They are not facts.

Obviously Harry your still in fantasy land. Do you not think that wives, husbands and partners of Gardai can make there feelings known. Or is it that we have to read the crap that you come up and except it. Obviously you do not want to here the truth because your just a small minded man who reads something and believes its gospel.

Seriously! What is your problem?! If I didn’t know better I’d think you were purposely trying to get a rise out of people for a laugh… Here’s the joke then-I’m a guard’s wife, we’ve 3 children, no fancy house/car/second home, 3rd mortgage, no private schools etc, yet we just about make ends meet. Get real and climb out of your ivory tower. Pity my husband and others like him are obliged to look out for your safety. Thing is I actually pity your arrogance and ignorance….

Well Harry I Have Used All These Words But I Am Not A Guard Nor Have I Ever Been. I’m Just An Old Retired Trucker, Oh And I Use My Own Computer.

Tell Lies Joe Are You Having a Laugh Then again If They Do Are They Not Just Learning From Their so Called Masters In Government. after All They Have Proved To Be The Biggest Liars This Country Has Ever Seen And Some Have Proudly Admitted Same In The Media / Tv Etc.

Well Said Brighid.