Shatter is a plank, he doesn’t live in the real world .. He is just throwing out stupid comments as per usual !!!

“Modern Industrial Relations”? Did the Gardai not know they were excluded from having a Union when they headed for Templemore?

Oh, please!!! Government employees were given raises to make up for that. How is making more than a private sector job a step in the right direction? My pay has been cut for 3 years — how is the public sector pay good compared to mine?

Why don’t you tell us what you earn and what your chosen profession is Regonald so we can compare it. Lets be honest you’re not short if an opinion or two on public sector earners are you.

I’m self employed and that’s all you need to know.

So, he’s a …….?

Well that says it all … Anyone who self employed makes a mint.. If ur not ur defo doing it wrong !!!! Do u pay over 400 a month on USC …. Not including on top of ur prsi or paye, then pension levies … Health insurance etc …

Anyone who is higher paid should pay more taxes. I agree.

On the ball Liam … Great minds !!

You’re handy with your opinions here on public sector earnings but yet you haven’t got the guts to say what you do yourself. Says a lot about you really; that and the fact that you are still using the same false picture. I wouldn’t trust you as far as I could throw you.

Refused because shatter know best don’t you know

Shatter doesn’t know his arse from his elbow along with the other clowns. What do they do,sit around discussing things and attending meeting, nurses save lives, guards protect lives, politicians ruining lives and I’m meant to believe that Enda deserves 4 times more than a guarda. Shatter your having a laugh.

They can save money but allowing prison officers to transport remand prisoners to court as most times they are at court and have resources and cellular transport to do this, also collect prisoners from Garda stations after being sent to prison, to save on transport and overtime, you see these vans all over the country everyday.it’s only a decision to be taken to allow this .
There is nothing in law to prevent this. Also free legal aid where a district court appeal to the circuit court is withdrawn no legal fees should be paid, this would save approximately 400 euro per case.
And also the cost to the court service to prepare these cases would be saved, all of these suggestions would save the state on a cost neutral basis but it is as if the management do not wish to make savings

@Julie- your party lobbies for the release of Garda murderers so bottle the hypocrisy, please.

Vinny go take your vile unwanted opinions else where. 75% of the Island of Ireland voted for Good Friday agreement which included the release of prisoners. I am living in the present not the past.

@julie- did I hit a nerve there? Were you at the party held by Sinn Fein to welcome the release of those same Garda murderers. 75% of the country supported that, do you think?

Vincent okay do you support what the guards are doing, you support FG so I presume NOT, I do support them, away from the past now Vincent, lets look to the future. No didn’t hit a nerve at all.

Excellent comment… We all need to stand for each other and overcome all the divisive spin from our government…..

We also need to take whatever steps are necessary to pay our way

We do pay our way Jim.
We don’t want to pay for someone elses way.

Ultimately, it was the *police* who arrested for all those people (even if working for a facist state) .

So, you are saying that when the *police* come for the *police*, there’ll be no-one left.

Makes sense.

Unlike your comment Declan which makes no sense.

@Jim Ky. we do pay our way and unfortunately some of us pay the ultimate price.

Great Comment, the guards have stood by since this goverment and the previous goverment started screwing the people over for the benifit of bondholders and bankers, not opening there collective mouths until the goverment looked in there direction. Hell they probably could have stopped prom night if they wanted considering most of the TD’s were drinking on the job they could have removed them on health and safety grounds, even Gerry Adams referenced closing the bar before the debate alluding to them all been pissed and yet the guards standing outside did nothing.

The goverment are not going to back down at this point, all other protests againest cuts have failed and in some case’s the Guards have stopped the protests, what makes the guards think they have a chance to change things now? only 1 way left to change this and thats to change the goverment.

Comparing a goverment of a bankrupt state cutting premium allowances to the mass extermination of ethnic minorities by the Nazi’s is quite disturbing. Worst thing is the couple of hundred of gobsh!tes who gave it the thumbs up.

‘Don’t cut me, don’t cut thee, that the one behind the tree’

It wasn’t police it was SS And Gestapo these are not police you dumbass

@john McCarthy This government through spin and media propaganda has created the public private sector divide, we are all tax payers. You have obviously bought into this. The point of the post was that when they’ve cut garda nurses pay they will come after yours next and who will listen to you whine then? Go back to your cubicle in your office and do your meaningless job which you hate and troll somewhere else.

Nice to see your “don’t cut thee” mantra making its reappearance there Reginald… Your getting a bit repetitive at this stage…..

Are they not already well-paid? Isn’t the public sector payroll partly helping to spur tax rises, new taxes and questions? The public sector pay levels are financially in deficit. Where do you think the money will come from?

Disingenuous. Sorry.

To be fair, the country has a deficit. It’s not a zero sum game you know…

Maybe you didn’t see the polls today? Speak for yourself.

What poll would that be then reggie oul boy?

If you’re looking for the truth don’t listen to ANY government member.

Proven liars.

Out for their own interests.

Couldn’t give a toss about anything else.

What planet are u on

Burton is not Burton anymore- got the foreman’s job, like the Pat the Rabbit.

* private sector

So are you getting paid under 40 grand a year john???

Here is a genuine and honest suggestion. The big problem seems to be personal debt. Now the goverment has a liability to each member of AGS of circa 80k or thereabouts assuming they do the 30 years in the form of a lump sum. Leaving aside the whole issue of cuts why not make a suggestion that this could be drawn down today in situations where the mortgage payment is eating up a large proportion of the persons income and offset against the mortgage. The bank could then offset the amount against the amount it owes to the goverment by way of the guarentee scheme? I think it would go a long way towards helping those in need without hitting the taxpayer to hard

I’m sure it was “2013 sellout”…..

Joyce..

Salary scale starts at 25,745 and rises to 45,000 after 17 years…

I seem to have heard from a close source it was actually 7 years.

There is a terrible ignorance of Garda pay and allowances. Allowances are NOT paid unless earned and subject to qualification. They are there alright, BUT ARE NOT PAID UNLESS EARNED IN SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES! They are designed to compensate for actual costs incurred upfront in the line of duty. They are a rarity! NOT LIKE THE TDs’ UNVOUCHED EXPENSES and THE DAIL BAR which might never recover the beer-tabs of some porter-sharks in the Dail.
And the higher ‘officers’ get a far higher rate. You see, like the TDs, they feel entitled to to to better hotels and restaurants than the ‘ordinary guard.’ And who have a ‘Officers’ Mess’ in Garda H.Q.!! A British legacy, you see! It’s a way the Govt. has to keep them sweet and to keep the ordinary Guard in his or her place for the likes of Shatter or other dictatorial right-wingers- and/or Labour’s former left-wingers.

Stephen – Reread my post; and you will realise there hasn’t been any Garda recruits since 2008, so the core on GRA is €42609 after 5 years service. Again since no one has been recruited since 2008 that is the core for the lowest ranking shortest serving Gardai

Regonald – the salary scale is easy to find on the internet – here is the link – http://www.gra.cc/payscales.shtml

It is almost impossible to figure out exactly what Gardai earn at any stage in their career and there is no point in throwing a dummy out of the pram just because people would like to know exactly how the pay scale, substance and extras are calculated.

BTW I think Gardai should be well paid when they are out doing their job.

Now if the Gardai were in the Private Sector’s Horse meat Scamming business, they might be pretty well-off. But that is a crime best left criminal elements in the Private Sector. They and we know who they all are! Those crims are the next wave of traitors, following hot on the heels of the Private Sector Traitorous Crooked Bankers so beloved of persons in high places, including the Dail. The Public Sector need take no lectures from those who betrayed and ruined this State!

Frontline workers aren’t looking for a pay rise, all they are looking for is to be left as is having already taken massive pay cuts. And it’s people like you who facilitate these government muppets in their actions. I will accept the proposed
pay cuts if Ministers Shatter, Howlin and O’Reilly work for the same money. They seem to think that what wages will be left is sufficient to pay bills and feed a family so why don’t they try it?

@vicent. You must be copying and pasting that sentence…. You must have written it a hundred times in a hundred different posts! Take a break would ya!

Sure why not take every cent I earn so? Never mind the previous pay cuts, income levy, pension levy … Etc… Sure I’m lucky to have a job… take away all the night and unsocial hours, why not make me work even longer hours, sure I don’t need to see my family, you know what else, why not take the rest of my flat cheque pay, all €267 of it. Sure I’d only be wasting it on luxuries like paying my mortgage and maybe having a sandwich or 2. It’s only fair that I, and the rest of my colleagues who caused the whole mess are now paying for it!

What did you do with it? Big Merc and houses to let?

A Garda earns approx €500 per week, correct me if I’m wrong, but when I examine Tadhg’s definition of “pay cuts” it amounts to approximately 14% (compared to 60% in Greece and 30% in Latvia)

Now I’m pissed…..

No where near 500 a week dear Reginald…. Give me ure address and I’ll post u a payslip dear fellow ;)

John. Did you fail the entrance exam for the Gardai or something. You have a serious axe to grind. Your pay-scales are correct. The issue is what a Garda is left with after deductions come out. And other than rent, uniform and boot allowance only a few Gardai assigned to specialist duties get the other allowances. The locomotion allowance in for Inspectors to use their own car to visit stations or posts around the district. The once of uniform payment is paid to Inspector rank up on promotion as officers have to purchase their uniform from the state. Dog handlers feed, vet, house and train Garda dogs. Every allowance you list is fully legit and deemed appropriate. If successive governments had paid Gardai a fair basic rate instead of inventing an allowance every time to disguise a pay-rise we wouldn’t have this over complicated way of paying our police force.

John -Members joined after 2007 must be 55 to retire. And seen as the average life expectancy of a guard after retirement is shockingly only 5-10 years , the pensions not worth as much when you look at it that way

Utter ignorance of the facts!

What in the name of god are u on about???

Something that happened 35 years ago??????

That is one bizarre post Jim. Are you related to Harry Price by any chance?

I think that prob is Harry price under a new guise.

Wtf???

Jim KY – has your brain turned to Jelly?

As mad as harry but sadly it is different person as he can actually type.

Anyway your wrong mate. Gardai work very hard for not a whole lot. I don’t think there are as many jobs that have as much responsible jobs out there.

Oh! We have come over all legal gobbleydegook now? What in tarnation are you on about? Dail investigation> Tribunal? Why not just sue whoever and whatever?

Arrests a merely a tool in the investigation of any crime. You’ve got to gather evidence first.

Ah god ….. @Dermot Ryan – Bash the Gardai for everything thats wring in the country …An Garda Siochana are not the primary supervisory body for Food Safety or regarding Agricultural/ Veterinary meat factory Inspections… Other Govt Agencies are. The Garda Siochana are often only called in as regards Fraud element of it. Then cases and prosecution is not an overnight thing….. Chew a reality pill before exhaling bags of ” natural 10-10-20″ at the levels you are

Arrest all the horses quick! The rest is baffling, to say the least. A private ‘beef?’

John don’t even bother, there are people on here 24/7 who just hate the Gardai and are blinkered to everything because of it. This makes the majority of their comments absolutely laughable and deluded. Unfortunately Alan shatter seems to be of the same mindset

John,

Stop living in a fantasy world. Look at the polls yesterday.