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Guineys workers still in limbo over pensions

Many of the workers who lost their job when Guiney & Co closed down in September had more than 25 years service – but now their pension remains up in the air.

Image: Sam Boal/Photocall Ireland

WORKERS WHO LOST their jobs when Guiney & Co closed its doors in Dublin city centre in September remain in the dark over their pensions – despite some of the workers being close to retiring age.

Former employees of the well-known Dublin department store have been told that the new owners of Clerys –  sister store to Guiney & Co – will not be taking on the liabilities of the old company pension scheme, which is now going to be wound up.

A new pension scheme will instead be put in place for Clerys workers, who are remaining with the company – but the picture is not so clear for the Guineys workers who all lost their jobs when the company was bought by a private equity firm in September.

“Some of these people are only three or four years away from retirement so they’re worried about their pensions from the company they worked for for so long,” said Michael Egan of Mandate trade union. Many of the workers were long-serving employees who had served between 25 and 30 years with Guineys on Talbot Street.

The strict rules around winding up a defined benefits pension scheme mean former employees already receiving a pension from Guineys will be looked after first so that their future payments aren’t threatened.

The remaining pot of money after the pensioners have been taken care of will be divided up by the scheme and allocated to the workers who lost their jobs, who will have to use it to invest in a new defined contribution pension scheme.

Workers fear that they could be left with as little as 40 per cent of what their pensions are worth once the scheme is fully wound up. It will be early next year before the employees find out exactly what they will get.

Michael Egan said the workers were hoping to get as much of their pensions as they possibly can.

“Obviously they would like to receive as close to 100 per cent of their pensions as possible but realistically we don’t think we’re going to achieve that,” he told TheJournal.ie.

“Basically we’re trying to make sure that they get as much as possible with whatever pot of money they’re given to invest. With investing no-one knows what’s going to happen”.

“Utterly betrayed”

Staff held a protest outside Clerys in October saying they felt “utterly betrayed” by the demise of their pension scheme and and the way their jobs had all been lost in the deal.  The group handed in a letter to Gordon Brothers, the new owners of Clerys, saying:

We feel utterly betrayed and implore Gordon Brothers to treat us in a moral and proper  matter. The failure of Gordon Brothers to recognise our loyalty to Clerys is deplorable and we seek that they recognise this by rewarding us in a proper manner for our long loyal service.

Guineys on Talbot Street was a sister shop to Clerys on nearby O’Connell Street for over seventy years. It was founded by Kerry businessman Denis Guiney, who went on to buy Clerys in 1941, and who marketed both department stores as affordable and reliable places to shop in the city.

The Clerys company had been in financial difficulties for many years as it failed to attract footfall to its O’Connell Street shop and was bought by US private equity firm Gordon Brothers on 17 September. However Guiney & Co was not part of the deal and was instead put into liquidation with the loss of ten jobs.

Workers from Guiney & Co and the Clerys Home Stores in Naas, Blanchardstown and Leopardstown who all lost their jobs in the deal are in the process of receiving redundancy payments as well as holiday money and any back pay they are owed.

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Comments (15 Comments)

  • where do these companies get off?? shame on them its a disgraceful way to treat employees that were so committed!

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  • yet again the case for a fair and affordable social insurance system of income provision for all citizens is clear. the workers should be given what they put in and what they need as a living income. news of this is poignant given large pension pay outs elsewhere.

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    • The gov should be ashamed of themselves in not trying to get this sorted. 25 years service to be told FO but Bertie and clowns get a pension. This is what’s wrong with the country. Party before people ALWAYS.

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  • Emmet 25/11/12 #

    How can a government stand by and let this happen time & time again…. I know it’s not the governments fault but they are the legislators that can make change so this does not happen again….

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    • Emmet
      Of course we can stop Companies becoming unprofitable and their Pension Funds separately collapsing. Sure couldn’t we take them over as a State and make all the employees Civil Servants and wouldn’t it all be grand.
      Emmet what is Santa bringing you for Christmas. Have you written your letter yet. Have you been a good boy all year.
      Emmet who taught you magic economics?

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  • it’s getting to stage now that whenever a company announces forced closures or anything along those lines the employees are going to have to take on the Vita Cortex workers line and stage sit-ins just to ensure they get what’s deserved, a shame really that companies are liable to their debtors before their employees.

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    • Ryan
      Once again you are displaying unparalleled ignorance. Pension funds are made up of a Company or a group of Companies like Clery’s and Guiney’s making its own contribution as a percentage of individual salaries and each employee then contributing a fixed proportion of their own salary to the Fund. This total Fund is managed at arms length by the Trustees who are a mix of elected employees and usually one Senior member of Management or the Board.
      Where Ryan in all of the above do you have any criticism of the Company or the Government?
      After many years the Fund hits a bad patch in terms of their investment strategy or the market collapses and you still believe this has something to do with the Company and the Government. Then the Company reaches bankruptcy levels in terms of their unprofitable trading and a buyer is found for those parts of the Group that may have a future. The unsold or unwanted Companies that are part of the Group are wound up and put into liquidation and all this is effected under Court supervision.
      The purchasers of Clery’s didn’t want to buy Guiney’s and didn’t have to either legally or morally. So how has any of this suddenly become the responsibility of the Government and the Company?

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    • Garry
      I presume on the basis of the above sentiment and brilliant logic you must have been a leading marcher in Dublin yesterday.

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  • And what makes me laugh even more they were advertising for staff no less than a month ago , …..

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  • a national scandal and disgrace

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  • Welcome to free market capitalism.

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  • JakkiB 25/11/12 #

    the double standards in this country are sickening! Only a few weeks ago we had Noonan saying he couldnt touch Bankers pensions as it is their right by law similar to going after their land blah,blah….I’m sure Garry could quote the full comment seen as he is in top form today!!
    I think Garry should be banned from here as he is always attacking people for expressing their view…… #BanGarry

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  • Emmet 25/11/12 #

    Gary

    You’ll be on all day posting on everyone’s comments….. Santa won’t be bringing me anything this year as I’ve been a naughty boy…. Glad to see you feel so passionate

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