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High Court dismisses Doherty complaint against Referendum Commission

The High Court rules that there is not sufficient clarity between Irish and EU laws about how countries ratify certain measures.

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Updated 13.39

THE HIGH COURT has dismissed an application by Pearse Doherty seeking a declaration that the Referendum Commission made a misleading statement, when it suggested that Ireland had already foregone its opportunity to veto the establishment of the European Stability Mechanism.

In an oral ruling, Mr Justice Gerard Hogan said he could not accept Doherty’s argument that the government still had the power to opt not to refer the necessary measures to the Dáil, despite having already agreed to them at European Council level.

Justice Hogan said the argument ultimately rested on the exact measures required by individual EU member states to approve amendments to the EU’s founding treaties, and that it was not sufficiently clear how Irish, European and international laws interacted in this regard.

“It is simply that the issue presented is one of such difficulty and such novelty that it has not been explored in the manner that would need to be explored by the [European] Court of Justice,” Justice Hogan said.

Arguments centered on how Ireland’s obligations under EU treaties – to act “in good faith” in implementing decisions made at the European Council – interacted with the Constitutional role of the government to act in matters of foreign affairs.

Acute time pressures

Justice Hogan said he was not in a position – particularly given the timing of the case – to pronounce whether the Referendum Commission’s opinion, that Ireland had already foregone its ability to veto the ESM, was clearly wrong:

Because it is impossible for me at this juncture to express a definitive view, in part because of the very acute time pressures, I can merely observe that there is room for legitimate legal and political debate on this question.

There were three relevant constitutional principles involved, he said: the theory of popular sovereignty, freedom of speech, and the equality of citizens. The Constitution placed “a premium on honest and fearless debate”, he said.

Doherty had argued that the comments of the Commission chairman Kevin Feeney on May 3, which said Ireland “could have” vetoed the ESM but had opted not to do so, were incorrect because the government could still decide not to table the necessary legislation in the Houses of the Oireachtas.

He also claimed that even after the Oireachtas had approved the ESM Treaty, ratification was not complete until the appropriate minister had signed, and lodged, an Instrument of Ratification – something he believed the government had an executive right to withhold.

The Referendum Commission and the Attorney General had argued that Ireland was bound by decisions of the European Council – in this case, to amend European treaties so that the ESM could be established – and that countries were required to act in order to implement its decisions.

The Court also dismissed arguments put forward by Doherty’s legal team that a second statement issued by the Commission clarifying the position, on May 18, was materially different from Justice Feeney’s original comments on May 3.

Because there was no difference in their substance, the Court further dismissed arguments that the Commission had not sought the same level of publicity for the second statement as it had for the first.

The court yesterday dismissed an argument that the Commission was acting ultra vires in discussing the ESM Treaty in the first place, finding that the two matters were too closely related to be treated in isolation.

‘Call to action’

Justice Hogan said the questions in the case “should be regarded as a call to the population at large not to be inert, to inform themselves, and having considered both arguments, to make a reasoned decision in the interests of themselves, their neighbours and their country”.

“That is what the Constitution wishes and desires,” he said. “I can only echo the hope that that is what the people will do.”

The judge set a provisional date of June 6 to issue a written ruling and to rule on costs.

Senior Sinn Féin figures including party president Gerry Adams and vice-president Mary Lou McDonald were present for the ruling. Doherty himself was not present for the ruling.

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Comments (65 Comments)

  • Correct me if I’m wrong, but the court reused to rule on this case because it didn’t know how to answer and the question was too difficult?

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  • great to see SF recognising the courts;)

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  • Reg 30/05/12 #

    That’ll cost the shinners a few bob!

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    • And this treaty will cost Fine Gael and Labour politically no matter what the result. Thats why Enda their cleverest politician is keeping a very low profile.

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    • mcbab 30/05/12 #

      Actually it is our money they are using remember. As they keep saying they take the minimum wage and the rest of their salary goes into the party coffers. So your money and my money will in effect be used to pay for their stunt. I am pissed by that, what about you?

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    • Reg 30/05/12 #

      I hear he was canvassing outside Pearse Street station this morning.

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    • Fagan's 30/05/12 #

      Agreed Martin. FG/FF/Lab are projecting this treaty as a corner stone for all of Europe and resolving the crisis. Where as the financial world, outside of Ireland, take it with a pinch of salt. See it as a smokescreen for the ECB to open up printing presses and give Merkel cover.

      If Merkel does not do that, then all hell will break loose.

      Either way FG/FF/LAB. are selling a dud, and they know it. The electorate will be very peeded off in another year .

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    • So Mcbab if they donate some of their wages into the party funds, isn’t that their prerogative? After all, it’s THEIR money. Idiotic statement to make Mcbab!

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    • Much more where that came from !!

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  • Is it just me or does that read like Justice Hogan doesn’t know the answer? It would have to be referred to Europe. Even if they can’t veto the could choose not to ratify it – all vote against. Would have same effect as a veto wouldn’t it?

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    • Voting No isn’t the same as vetoing.
      Tomorrow’s vote relates to the Fiscal Compact, which contains a set of conditions for access to the European Stability Mechanism, for which ratification only requires a simple majority of member states to approve before it comes into force.
      The veto Sinn Fein are referring to relates to the establishment of the ESM, which is in fact a totally different process that requires an absolute majority of Eurozone members to approve. If Ireland didn’t agree to the establishment of the ESM, then the Fiscal Compact would be irrelevant as there’s be no fund to access.

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    • Thank you Paddy. I’m aware of the difference. My question is: if the dail do not ratify the ESM treaty in the dail, will that have the same effect as a veto? Or will it mean it can go through but won’t apply to us

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    • Yes, the Oireachtas not ratifying the ESM is how our country would action it’s veto as they government would be bound by the result. The ESM requires all members of the Euro to ratify it’s establishment.

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    • Might be worth pointing out, just in relation this part, that the argument was NOT made about the Oireachtas potentially rejecting it (as all sides considered it to be desperately unlikely).

      The argument in court related whether the government, if it changed tack and didn’t WANT to ratify it, had the prerogative simply to sit on its hands, and never bother looking to progress it through the Oireachtas.

      Doherty’s claim was that the cabinet could decide to indefinitely delay sending the legislation through the Oireachtas; the Ref Comm said Ireland was obliged by other EU treaties to seek the ratification and therefore didn’t have the right to sit on its hands. It was precisely on this point that Justice Hogan found he could not make a ruling.

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    • That is the essential difference between the constitutional challenge taken by Sinn Fein and the one taken by Thomas Pringle. The argument there is that the Fiscal Compact and ESM treaties are interdependent and can not be separated in the manner of their ratification and that a referendum may legally required for both. Furthermore since neither of these treaties are essentially EU treaties their ratification without unanimity between the 17 Eurozone states may be contrary to existing EU Treaty law. More interesting days ahead?

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    • As it was only an oral judgment because he didn’t have time to set out his reasoning in full, it’s not very clear. The written judgment when finished will clarify things. I think it’ll be released on Friday.

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  • This ruling does not mean we cannot block the ESM at Oireachtas level. Judge Hogan refers to the govt’s obligations to the EU. However he does not rule on whether the Oireachtas can block ratification. So there remains uncertainty and it would be foolish for us to commit to something permanently without sufficient clarity. Vote no!

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  • Just like the fake tweet before the presidential election, this was a blatant attempt by SF to grab the last news-cycle before the moratorium takes effect…
    Can’t blame them. It worked the last time!

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  • The commission is also is also using leading language. The word “Strengthen” used in all broadcasts denotes better and that the weaker rules in now are bad. This is subconsciously directing voters towards a stronger = Yes vote. The campaign should have stated that the fiscal would ‘change’ and reduce budgetary deficit level limits to be a truly independent assessment.

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  • So Basically the judge does not know the answer at this time? As an undecided voter this is making me lean towards a No Vote. If the “Justice Hogan said there he was not in a position – particularly given the “acute” time pressures in the case – to pronounce whether the Referendum Commission’s opinion, that Ireland had already foregone its ability to veto the ESM, was clearly wrong” That leads me to take that Ireland may still have a Veto on the ESM and yet again our lot in Government have been telling us that we do not have a veto.

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    • If the bill allowing Ireland to ok the establishment of the ESM is not passed by the Oireachtas, then we will be effectively vetoing it’s establishment. However as the government has a clear majority, they will make sure it’s passing is a foregone conclusion.
      “Vetoing” the ESM is still entirely within the control of the government, that much they have been lying to voters about.
      However I would also note that if we vote no and the ESM is established we’ll be locked out accessing it, but if we vote yes, then we still have the option to access it IF it’s establishment isn’t vetoed by us or any other state (as noted above there are legal challenges to it in Estonia and Germany).

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    • Quiet right Paddy. And people would do well to follow the outcome of these other constitutional challenges in Estonia and Germany rather than being mislead by the cynical posturing of the newly elected French Parliament and populist nonsense regarding the new Germany Reich like E Gilmore’s meaningless pre-election soundbite.

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    • Chris, he just doesn’t have time to deliver it in written form. The verdict therefore was handed down verbally. It will be delivered in written form by Friday.

      The only reason he did not have time to deliver it in written form is because SF left it so late to submit their challenge. SF clearly hoped he would not have time to deliver the verbal verdict before the moratorium. This, as we can now see, has backfired.

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    • Jennifer
      Even if it could be deemed that the moratorium would cover the decision of an upper court on whether the referendum was likely to take place or not you can be pretty sure that twitter etc. with be hopping (as it was) with the news one way or the other before the first news hack could lick his pencil!

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  • Futile effort to confuse electorate failed, must be a message here for any undecided voters the Supreme Court have reiterated the Yes side argument . Trick backfired again

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  • I can imagine how much the EU élite would sit and laugh at us all having our little discussions like this. They must think us quite pathetic, 50-50 Yes, No. who’d have thought it possible of a country who won their independence back.

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  • SF were wrong.
    They are wrong about their other statements too.
    How can you vote No now?

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    • Don’t think the learned judge said they were wrong at least to according to the report above? He seems to be saying the application should be referred to the European court?

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    • Eh did you read what was written above I wonder.

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    • I did.
      The court has rejected the claim that ‘ that the Referendum Commission made a misleading statement, when it suggested that Ireland had already foregone its opportunity to veto the establishment of the European Stability Mechanism’.
      You No voters are really clutching at straws now. Do you really think it is worth taking the risk that the European courts will rule in favour of Ireland stopping the setting up of the ESM? Really? Especially since Ireland has already agreed to it?
      You would risk this countries future on a misguided hope?

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    • Because dave, you should vote based on your own opinion not the opinion of political partys.

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    • Pearse Doherty is from the No side, is he not?

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    • Dave
      Not just Ireland. There are constitutional challenges to the ESM treaty being made in Estonia and Germany!

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    • See the article has been updated since my comment. Seems to me he didn’t say SF were wrong or right on all points?

      Justice Hogan said there he was not in a position – particularly given the “acute” time pressures in the case – to pronounce whether the Referendum Commission’s opinion, that Ireland had already foregone its ability to veto the ESM, was clearly wrong.

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  • The Judges ruling is the equivalent of telling the applicants to “Go away and sort this out somewhere else and don’t be wasting my time with it”. Any judge that sits over a civil damages case is well used to doing this and doing it in such a way that everyone saves face which is what has happened here. Yes side can say the case was thrown out and plough on, no side can say wait a minute there are legitimate concerns raised here and the Judge is the hero for taking and ruling on the case at short notice. It will be interesting to see the ruling as to costs. I predict no order as to costs i.e. each side pays their own.

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  • Now they are wasting the High Court’s time and resources. Well done SF

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  • LOL! That is all. Now more than ever people should dismiss Sinn Fein and their campaign which has been scaremongering, bullying, empty threats and all around horsemanure! The courts for the love of god have made another claim by them absolutely redundant.

    No doubt the claim will be made by them that they are also corrupt, biased, and in the pockets of the government.

    Just Vote Yes and don’t be bullied and harrased into a No vote.

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    • Sarah 30/05/12 #

      I think you will find that the Judge was unsure and thats why, i am no fan of SF either but they are correct on this Treaty its bulls***. I wonder Mr O’Sullivan are you one of the FG Advisers cus it seems you cant have an independent thought and it all party political. Go to ask if Enda told you to stay in a cell with Bubba and told you it was for the good of the country and for FG would you do it knowing what lay behind the doors and what likely events was waiting for you? Now please answer that one its the same thing with the treaty to many unknowns and way to many scare tactics that makes you thinks what is the real agenda here.

      I for one will be emigrating if its passed but i guess thats what FG/FF/Labour really want…

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  • the main point from this which seems oblivious to the sheep that will eventually led to their slaughter by this gov is that the judge said he couldnt make a decision on the referendums opinion on esm veto. he didnt declare it was fact. he said it was the referendums opinion. sure we all have opinions but it doesnt make them fact. wake up people. we are being sold out.

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  • If I were SF I would emphasise the element of the ruling that is somewhat in their favour – that themodalities of ratification of the ESM are unclear and so it may still be possible for the oireachtas to block the ESM. The term “veto” and “block” are different for the purposes of this case. Judge Hogan appears to be taking a very narrow interpretation of the term “veto” as applying only to governments, while saying he cannot rule on the question of how the ESM Treaty is ratified or otherwise. So there remains uncertainty here.

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  • “Justice Hogan said there he was not in a position – particularly given the “acute” time pressures in the case – to pronounce whether the Referendum Commission’s opinion, that Ireland had already foregone its ability to veto the ESM, was clearly wrong.” So yes side was wrong for claiming the non existence of a Veto was fact, No side was wrong for claiming Veto as a fact.

    And commission ruled an unverified legal opinion as a fact despite it needing a ECJ ruling to clarify it – worrying regardless your politics.

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  • Denis 30/05/12 #

    Just in time too.
    Should be just about able to get the word out that SF lost and then the moratorium will stop any further discussion.
    That should swing a good few No’s the other way.

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  • Its like we as a nation have stockholm syndrome, our gov continually robs and beats us for the benefit of banks and financial institutions but people still think they are doing good, and when another party with different views such as SF who may i add are looking out for the IRISH people are continually beaten down even by the people they are defending? Wtf like? Europe scares the shit out of me, at this stage i feel like i am being sufficated by it and the thought of them hving fiscal control makes me sick to my stomach, we have 6 counties who are still trying to gain fiscal control from westminister, while the 26counties are preparing to hand theirs over to a group of people who are above the law!!!
    Ff,fg and lab have proved they dont give a shit about us through their lies and actions, why on earth would people believe them now? Please read the treaty, instead of blindly following a parties views! The atms didnt stop workin in iceland the same way the sky is not going to fall in if we vote no! We are such a materialistic country now, its time to stop this and be a generation the future can be proud of! Vote no please….

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  • Bertie Ahern, Jim Power, Brian Cowen, EndaKenny, M Martin, Phil Hogan, Don Lydon, Seanie Fitz, fingersfingelton, David Begg, Ivor Callely All voting yes! — #VoteNo to banksters

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  • Tomorrow they shall ask us
    And we shall scream “NEIN!”
    And when they ask us again
    We shall scream “NEIN!”

    NINE times out of NINE
    We shall scream “NEIN!”
    Until the Germans learn
    That “NEIN!” means NEIN!”.

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  • This would seem to confirm that there is a ‘mist’ around this referendum. Do you rush this?

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  • So far I gather from this that the structuring of the Fiscal Compact and ESM treaties and the manner of their proposition in-so-far as likely amendments to the to the EU’s founding treaties are concerned is unclear within the broader scope of domestic, EU and international law.
    But sure that’s alright we’ll have an auld stab at voting on it anyway!

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  • Stunt

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