the true definition of jihad is to strive.to strive or struggle in ones islam to strive in everyday life.1400 years ago mohammad said only ever kill if someone try to kill you which was passed down from God islam is a religion of peace.Dubliners Againstclamping i cant say it to you any straighter IM AGAINST MURDER OF ANYONE BE THEM NON MUSLIMS.A BRITISH SOILDIER,AMERICAN SOILDIER,CHRISTIAN,JEW,OR NO RELIGION,IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?

Happy Eid!!

no i dont believe in stoning to death.people use the quran the way they want i would really like to know who these people are at the gpo im sure they are some extremist group.and im sunni.but please remember the bible also has some of these statement.

Leviticus 20:10

“If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death

Exodus 21:17

“Whoever curses his father or his mother shall be put to death

Deuteronomy 22:22
“If a man is found lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.

Eid Mubarak to all Muslims

Sean
I think you might find for some strange reason that if it were the catholic church you were talking about, you’d get loads of people agree with you, but everyone is sooo PC nobody is allowed to have an opinion if it’s not ‘cool’! PS I don’t belong to either faith/any faith!!!!!

Wow, this discussion turned into a mess.
Always does with religion.

Thank God I’m an atheist, that’s all I’m saying.

While I would not subscribe to the concept of a deity, I certainly do not rule out the logical plausibility of one actually existing. For me Aquinas’ argument from contingency, forced me as an atheist to not be so dismissive of those who hold faith. That of course is only looking at the Abrahamic faiths, not looking at the Eastern faiths, who in turn have some deeply impressive theology. Buddhism is a truly beautiful belief system that seeks truth and enlightenment through deep introspection, so I hardly think they are suckers.

People who subscribe to the Abrahamic faiths feel something in a transcendental sense that raises them from the workaday eminent world around them, be that an omnipresent sense of unity within the world, a projection of themselves into that world, or just a hope that there is something in the afterlife. I don’t think they are “suckers” for that. I think to come to that kind of conclusion in adult life requires people to go beyond, even if one doesn’t believe that that’s what they are doing I would be nearly sure deep contemplation has played a role in their lives.

Religious extremism is a horrible horrible thing, it causes the dehumanising of others as the “outsider” incapable of respect lest they adhere to a certain system. But Atheistic extremism is just as bad and whether atheists wish to admit it or not, those who belittle those of faith are no better, ideologically than Al Qaeda or the Crusaders.

U really are a ignorant uneducated man Sean.

In Pakistan police have arrested a mentally disabled 11-year-old Christian girl after a mob accused her of desecrating pages of the Koran. A Muslim mob threatened to burn down Christian homes outside the capital Islamabad and the childs parents have been taken into protective custody. So much for peace and tolerance during Eid al-Fitr, the feast that marks the end of the month of Ramadan.

Just because you don’t believe in anything it don’t give u the right to call anyone “suckers”for there belief.we are allowed worship god and fast Ramadan thank god.

Eid Mubarak to all celebrating!!!! ;-)

I’m not fasting for no reason.u should respect other people’s beliefs not be critical of it you don’t have something good to say u should keep your opinion to yourself.

It’s not about pc Joan its about respect for other faiths if I don’t agree with lent or Christmas or whatever it is I don’t call you a “sucker” because your celebrating christmas do I?

Hope Ramadan was good for you Edward

Right – so you’re free to think he’s stupid, but it’s okay as long as you don’t say it? What about a light whisper? What’s the cut off exactly? I just need to be sure of exactly how much freedom I have to express myself. Is it okay to gesture my disagreement to said priest, as long as I don’t say it out loud? How about a disagreeing twinkle in the eye?
And inherently, if you don’t believe that “Jesus is son of god”, is that not in itself disrespecting that priest’s religion? Whether you verbalise it or not, how can you respect his opinion when you’re 100% sure he’s wrong?

I respect people’s RIGHT to practice their religion (as long as it doesn’t hurt others), but I don’t & can’t respect any of their religions, because they’re all nonsense.

If you believe your religion is the only one that’s right, you are therefore not respecting all other religions – it doesn’t need to be said out loud – it’s inherent. You can’t suck and blow at the same time, Edward.

If your talking about me being a know it all donncha I don’t pretend to be I have no education.i believe everyone’s religion should be respected.

if anyone has a chance they should youtube a documentry in 3 parts called islam empire of faith its made by non muslims its very interesting

just going to say one more thing on this cos there is no point rambling and arguing…. if anyone has time read up on Islam a bit… not trying to convernt anyone hehe but for your own knowledge… Islam is not just a religion.. it is a way of life that geared towards a peaceful life based on highly ethical values and wrong faith… simply put there are no last rites in Islam… so a Muslims duty is to be a good person in this world if they fear the afterlife.. and I mean good in terms of everything including mutual respect for humans and animals… taking care of the sick.. giving to charity, etc… etc… a good Muslim you’ll find is good person… once again don’t base a religion of a psychotic few… and lastly if Islam was truly as bad as western media in particular portray it why is it the fastest growing religion in the world? particularly in Europe and the US.. if it was all true, why would anyone want to be part of such a terrible thing? the answer is simple it isn’t!

You know, if this whole democracy thing doesn’t work out and Europe turns into a dictatorship I’d say Sean is really going to miss his right to insult people peacefully expressing their religious beliefs

Where did I say you weren’t allowed? I didn’t. You’re free to worship whomever you want. And likewise, I’m free to call you a sucker if you fast for no reason.

Organisation Total Killings Protestant Catholic Not from NI
IRA 1696 (49%) 790 338 568
UVF 396 (11%) 89 265 42
British Army 299 (9%) 32 258 9
(unknown loyalist) 212 (6%) 50 212 7
UFF 149 (4%) 17 132 0
INLA 110 (3%) 55 33 22
UDA 102 (3%) 41 58 3
(unknown) 77 27 42 8
RUC 56 9 44 3
Official IRA 51 7 24 20
PAF (loyalist) 37 0 37 0
‘Real’ IRA 29 11 13 5
(others) 117 27 87 3

Deaths in northern Ireland are these murders all the fault of the catholic religion or church of Ireland
You can’t a small sect of any religion for what they do. They do not do these things for Islam it says in the Quran if you murder one person it’s the same as if you killed all of humanity and If u save one life it’s as do you saved all humanity u really should research Islam before you make stupid remarks Sean.im a Muslim who is for peace Salam like the majority of Muslims

Fasting is one of the five pillars of the Islamic faith, it is a requirement as a practicing Muslim. As is Testimony, Prayer, Alms-giving and Pilgrimage. End of.

Well Sean if you where throwing stones at a effigy of Mohammad peace be upon him I would lose any respect for you but not your religion why would I lose respect for your religion?u can’t blame a whole religion for the acts of one person can u?

@ Edward Carr. I am glad to hear you say that you condemn all violence. Al-Qaeda are not Muslims then? Bin Laden is burning in hell? Suicide bombers will not be met in heaven by seven virgins? What about the attacks by Sunni Muslims on Shia Muslims? Are they justified?

No. But you should be respectful enough to keep them to yourself.if I met a priest im not going to tell him he is stupid for thinking Jesus is son of god I dont agree with him but I’m going to keep it to myself

that last comment was ment to be should not kill each other

@Edward Carr. Yes, that’s very clear, but I think you may be in a minority because tomorrow somewhere in an Islamic country some Sunni will kill a Shia or vice versa. Your friends ouside the GPO believe stoning to death of an alleged adulterer is acceptable and it’s very possible there will be a stoning to death tomorrow. In Chad, or perhaps in Afghanistan. Or in Pakistan as there was a few days ago. Do you believe in stoning to death? The guys outside the GPO say it’s in the Quran. BTW, are you Sunni or Shia yourself?

#Markanthonypower my wife is morrocon and in Casablanca there churches Jewish temples and mosques on the same streets and women have the right to wear hijabs covering themselves if they wish.my wife wears hijab and if I told her to take it off she would laugh at me she would never take it off.

Well Sean I think it would be very hard for a entire religion to be throwing stones I can’t imagine the pope if your catholic out throwing stones can u?

Suckers.

And yes Sean I believe Islam is a beautiful religion.

No I grasp what your saying Sean its just very unlikely to happen”tbh” and the the point I’m trying to make to you is your entitled to your opinion but what you are not grasping is you where criticising people for what they where doing saying they where suckers .

Dublinersagainstclamping. Is this the fault of all Muslims?

Dublinersagainstclamping icondemn all violence by anyone and anyone that carry out them sort of acts are not Muslims

that was meant to say ‘strong faith’ and ‘on a psychotic few’…. :)

sorry i forgot to say it says noting in the quran about stoning you should look it up.as i said people use loads of thing they say are in the quran for there fights

Al-Qaeda – Bin Laden are not Muslims then? They are a Muslim sect that has It’s origins Saudi Arabia called Wahabi. There belief and values are totally at odds with a majority of Muslims. I am not going to say 99/9% because I do not believe it to be correct. I have yet to see a major demonstration or outcry by Muslims against the twin Towers attack or any other acts of atrocity for that matter. But the fact still stands that Al-Qaeda – Bin Laden are from that sect. WAHABI.