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Iran’s supreme leader: ‘Thunder will fall on Israel if it attacks’

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei says Israel is isolated and vulnerable - and any “wrong action” will prompt response.

This file photo shows female Iranian students holding posters of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
This file photo shows female Iranian students holding posters of supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Image: Vahid Salemi/AP

ANY ATTACK by Israel on Iran will blow back on the Jewish state “like thunder,” Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, has said today.

Khamenei also said that the international community’s suspicion that Iran was seeking nuclear weapons is based on a “lie” and he insisted that sanctions imposed on his country were ineffective and only strengthened its resolve.

His speech, broadcast on state television to mark the 1989 death of his predecessor and founder of the Islamic republic, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, contained no sign Iran was prepared to make any concessions on its disputed nuclear programme.

Instead, it was infused with defiance and Khamenei’s customary contempt for Iran’s arch-foes Israel and the United States.

If the Israelis “make any mis-step or wrong action, it will fall on their heads like thunder,” Khamenei said.

The Jewish state, he added, was feeling “vulnerable” and “terrified” after losing deposed Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak as an ally.

Allegations that Iran was trying to develop atomic bombs were false, Khamenei also said.

“International political circles and media talk about the danger of a nuclear Iran, that a nuclear Iran is dangerous. I say that they lie. They are deceiving,” Khamenei said.

“What they are afraid of – and should be afraid of – is not a nuclear, but an Islamic, Iran.”

He added:

They invoke the term ‘nuclear weapons’ based on a lie. They magnify and highlight the issue in their propoganda based on a lie. Their goal is to divert minds and public opinion from the (economic) events that are happening in the US and Europe.

The West and its sanctions: ‘Crazy’

Western economic sanctions imposed to pressure Iran to curb its nuclear programme were having no effect, Khamenei insisted. Their only impact, he said, was “deepening hatred and animosity of the West in the hearts of the Iranian people.”

Khamenei called the stance by the United States and its Western allies “crazy”. ”The Iranian people have proved they can progress without the United States, and while being an enemy of the United States,” he said.

Western nations, the United States at the fore, accuse Iran of wanting to develop the capability to make nuclear weapons, something Khamenei has repeatedly denied. The supreme leader has called atomic arms “a great sin.”

Talks between the Islamic republic and the so-called P5+1 group of nations – the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China, plus Germany – were revived this year and are to go to a crucial next round in Moscow on June 18-19.

But the United States and its ally Israel – the sole, if undeclared, nuclear weapons state in the Middle East – have threatened military strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities if diplomacy fails.

Khamenei’s speech was being closely watched by P5+1 officials for signs of what positions the Iranian delegation might take into the Moscow negotiations. Iran’s supreme leader has the final word on any decision on his country’s nuclear activities.

At one point in his speech, Khamenei declared it “forbidden to stop on the path to progress, in the political sphere and in the sphere of science and technology.”

That carried the implication that Iran had no intention on scaling back its nuclear development.

- © AFP, 2012

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Comments (55 Comments)

  • Is it just me or does thunder not fall at all, just makes loud noises ?

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  • Core Problem is religion. Israel is a Jewish state and Iran is a Islamic state. Would it be right if we labelled Ireland as a catholic state? Religions are just superstitions

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    • Core problem is the exactly the same as is happening with Syria at the moment! Russia is a huge ally and thus is blocking any action against Syria so it can do as it likes
      The US are hypocrites by slating this stance as they take the very same approach with Israel and never denounce or act on the atrocities they put upon the Palestinian people.
      So essentially the UN Security Council is actually one of the main problems as it has 5 senior members, UK, US, France, Russia, China all of whom can veto action or stance been taken by the UN ad a whole- joke!!

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  • More men with beards !

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  • Paul 03/06/12 #

    If it’s not allowed to show pictures of Mohammed, for fear of idolatry, why are they all carrying pictures of the ayatollah? They’re making an idol there. Tut tut tut

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  • Stark raving bonkers….

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    • Britain and France made the exact same threat to nazi Germany if they would invade Poland. The US made the exact same threat to North Korea AND North Vietnam. I fail to see how saying this makes them insane.

      He’s not referring to an intervention in Syria or now Lebanon, merely referring to a strike by Israel into Iran (Israel have already bombed Iran without provocation before).

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  • Religion is one is one thing and fanatic religion is totally different…see I don’t get all this religion based nonsense. Enemy this enemy that…why can’t they just be normal?…we are all humans but somehow Ireland isn’t building a nuclear weapons…tell me why?

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    • “we are all humans but somehow Ireland isn’t building a nuclear weapons…tell me why?”
      What?
      Who’s agreeing with this idiot that it’s OK to nuclear attack a country which to date has not been a threat to anyone yet is constantly being threatened with outside attack.
      It’s tired of repeating that its nuclear program is for exactly what it is and there has been zero prove to say other wise with many international inspections while the usual few warmongering nations label them “enemy’s of the state” and spew propaganda as usual against them and here we have morons agreeing and supporting such violence against those who have not aggressively threatened but only threatened to respond to attack from the usual warmongers.
      Nuke the one being threatened and being sanctioned in hopes of a response deemed worthy of calling aggression and then proceed to nuke the shit out of them? What a chump you are!

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    • We haven’t got the money to build a nuclear power station, even if we did, people would complain about it. 1 power station would power the the countries needs for energy for many years.

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    • Ah but Mark, Audrius is on about nuclear weapons here not nuclear energy like Iran is seeking. There’s a big difference which he fails to grasp.

      And true we would complain, I can think of any county willing to have a nuclear plant in their backyard no matter the incentives offered.

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  • I’m off to stock up my presses! I smell war in the air! :o

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  • Iran are the ones being threatened here, the Yanks and Jews are yet to provide any evidence of nuclear weapons, to date, in Iran. They sounded the same fake cry for Iraq and no WMD’s were ever found.

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    • Kevin 03/06/12 #

      True

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    • “the Yanks & Jews” WTF???? I think you mean Israel? Referring them as the Jews is just ignorant.

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    • Peter, I agree there is no evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons, but their nuclear program is very suspicious, why risk war when they can buy fuel grade uranium off the open market (like many countries do)
      Or why not buy standard heavy water reactors from Canada that can run on un enriched uranium.
      Why build a secret underground enrichment facility which must be very expensive and risk provoking a war with US and Israel?
      Even more suspicious, building a research reactor with 20% enriched uranium, there are lots of ways to make nuclear energy without being suspicious, is this “research” reactor worth the international sanctions?

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    • Yeah, the peace loving Ayatollahs!

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    • mattoid 03/06/12 #

      Whilst the IAEA have been unable to conclusively prove the existence of a nuclear weapons programme (they say their inspection teams have been consistently hampered by the Iranian regime, and prevented from doing their job, despite repeated pledges to co-operate), they have discovered widespread evidence of activities which can only be connected to a weapons development programme, eg. component testing, enrichment, illicit material acquisition attempts etc..

      See the latest IAEA report for details. Section G and the appendices particularly apply, or if you’re caught for time just read paragraphs 52 and 53 in the summary…

      http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Documents/Board/2011/gov2011-65.pdf

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  • Idiots

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  • “Attack us and we’ll retaliate”

    Madness!

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  • @Damhsa& Imran…if you like Iran so much why don’t you just leave Ireland and f*^% off and live there..but no..you like European standards ,don’t you?

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    • @Damhsa…well once you think I’m an idiot ill tell you this …Pity all you like, you cant understand and judge another’s philosophy based on reading a few lines on the internet. Notwithstanding , I don’t mind being rude to you, so find yourself a taxidermist willing to undertake the task and get stuffed ; you patronising dipshit. BTW I’m focusing on your opinion right now and believe me “IT” really doesn’t matter.

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    • I’m not a warmongering ignorant so maybe I might, except for the fact you are advocating attacking the country I may flee to to distance myself from you.
      At least I don’t condone nuclear attacks on a country for no other reason than their religion and wish to power their country independent of outside interference.

      You and your ilk are the reasons such warmongers have been able to continue to spread destruction to less well off countries who have the misfortune of living above vast oil and mineral reserves.

      This is a regional power struggle, and for another mid-eastern country to acquire nuclear technology who don’t bend over for the States and Israel, you are supportive of their impending pain and suffering when they are attacked for the sole benefit of the oil elite’s, weapon manufactures and their political bulldogs.
      What a nice person you are.

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    • I wouldn’t even entertain that shite to be honest

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  • Peter 03/06/12 #

    Piss of israel

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  • Supreme leader..cha cha..he’s just a man who isn’t any different from all of us…religion is terrible thing in a minds of a ignorant. I’d say nuke the fu%#^%s..if they can’t live a reasonable life and respect others,so f^#% them

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    • Advocating killing a lot of people because of their religion makes you no better than the religious fundamentalists. I agree that religion is detrimental to society because of the ridiculous hatred it causes, but to hate religious people because of their religion is hypocritical.

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    • Someone should nuke you

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    • We can’t advocate just casually nuking anyone we like! Iran is sovereign and has the right to be dependent free of other nations if it so wishes for its energy, the corner stone of any modern country. He is again standing firm and saying if we are attacked expect for retaliation.
      If what they are doing is not harming Israel or the US then they have no f^#king reason to threaten to nuke a country which is not a violent threat to anyone and has been living within it’s borders for many decades now. Crazy religious people aside.
      Been through the bible belt in the States? there’s a few there, politicians and people we could nuke for their many threats of attacking Muslim countries and their support for such attacks by their Govt. as its what God wants and they all wish for armageddon to come and they can be with their savior?
      Why not help those nice folk out?

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  • I though the Jews call it Jewish home land so why is bad to call them Jews???

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    • Because not all Jews support Israel and not all citizens of Israel are Jews. There are many Christian and Muslim Israelis who are quite happy to support Israel, while some of them are even known to fight for Israel. Jew ? Israeli.

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    • Very true Brian. You Here pro-Israeli people ridiculously declare some commentary being ‘anti-semitic’ that statement is so annoying because in fact a ‘semite’ can be Christian or Jewish!

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    • It’s wrong to call them Jews because it is simply inaccurate. Not all Jews are Israelis and not all Israelis are Jews. There are many Jews outside Israel who are quite happy to denounce Israel. Likewise, there are many Israelis who are Christian or Muslim and who support Israel, with some quite happy to support and even fight in the Israeli military.

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    • OK, I commented on that twice because it didn’t show up until after I reposted. My bad!!

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    • If you are christian or muslim you are not allowed to join the israeli army.

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    • Mark, that is incorrect. People of any religion or none are entitled to enlist in the Israeli army. The difference is when it comes to conscription. All Israeli Jews and Druze must serve in the IDF. Conscription does not exist for non-Jewish and non-Druze Israelis, but that doesn’t mean they can’t enlist. Examples of Arab Muslim Israeli Defence Forces officers include Major General Hussain Fares, Major General Yusef Mishleb, Lieutenant Hesham Aborea and Lieutenant Colonel Amos Yarkoni who was born as Abd el-Majid Hidr. These are only examples of high-rangking IDF officers. Six Israeli Arabs have also received the highest honour in the IDF – the Medal of Distinguished Service. You might want to check out this link on the BBC World Service.

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    • They say that but if you are not jewish it is extremely hard to get into the army.

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    • Muslims ans Christians are accepted only as volunteers,Israeli Arabs are not required to perform mandatory military service and, only a small percentage of Israeli Arabs served in the military, for security reasons, Israeli Arabs generally were restricted from working in companies with defense contracts or in security-related fields. Rather than perform army service, Israeli Arab youths have the option to volunteer to national service and receive benefits similar to those received by discharged soldiers. The volunteers are generally allocated to Arab populations, where they assist with social and community matters. There are 1,473 Arabs volunteering for national service.

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    • No it’s not. It’s very easy to join the IDF. In fact, there are many within the upper echelons of the IDF who want more Arabs and non-Jews to enlist. There are Arabs in every single branch of the IDF, from the Medical and Logistics Corps right up to the elite forces. Hundreds of Bedouin join every year, as well as whatever number of other Arab and Christian groups. There are thousands of Arabs in the IDF at the moment. The only major problem for Arabs joining the IDF is when those soldiers leave the army and attempt to reintegrate with the Arab world. There they are treated as traitors amongst the Palestinians. The Bedouin don’t generally have these problems as the majority of them, some 200,000, have supported the Israeli state since before its inception as a result of persecution from non-Nomadic Arabs.

      The whole situation in Israel is often over-simplified as simply a conflict of Jew vs. Muslim. The truth is far from simple, however. People often forget about the Christian Palestinians, the Druze, pro-Israeli Arabs, and, believe it or not, Israeli Jews who have sided with Palestinian Muslims against the state of Israel. Add to this mix a Jewish people who have lived in Israel for thousands of years side by side with their Arab neighbours, a massive influx of Jews from Europe and beyond since the mid 1800s, the legacy of empire (first Ottoman, then British), and foreign governments sticking their noses in (USA for the Israelis and the Soviets and the Iranians for the Muslim Palestinians) and you get a very complicated situation.

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    • @ Mark, I don’t know where you got your figures from. The only source I can find for that figure is an Israeli tabloid and an unsourced mention in Wikipedia. It is IDF policy not to release information about the ethnic/religious numbers in the IDF. I think you may be confusing Arab volunteers in the IDF with those who have actually enlisted (paid members of the IDF). I know this as I have friends who have served in the IDF, three of whom were Arab Bedouin. There are many Arabs in the IDF that have given up their Arab identity in favour of a non-secular Israeli one, as well as those who hide their Arab identity for fear of reprisals from their own community. On top of all that, even if your figure was correct, it ignores those who have changed identity, hidden their identity, as well as all non-Jewish non-religious Israelis, Christians and Druze.

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    • Here you are Brian, have a good read, it will back all my comments up, if you look there are plenty more websites to say the same.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_army

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    • I have a friend in London, i live here, he is half jewish/british he was unable to join.

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    • Mark, your link to Wikipedia (not exactly the most trustworthy of sources) simply backs up exactly what I said to you, including the fact that Israeli Arab youths, “[r]ather than perform army service, … have the option to volunteer to national service and receive benefits similar to those received by discharged soldiers. The volunteers are generally allocated to Arab populations, where they assist with social and community matters. As of 2010 there are 1,473 Arabs volunteering for national service.” Italics are my own emphasis. Note the distinction between Army Service (צה”ל) and National Service (שירות לאומי). Army Service is a paid vocation for which there are no statistics available based on ethnicity/religion. National Service is a voluntary service, sort of similar to our Reserve Defence Forces (formerly the FCA) for those who wish to serve the state but who have either been denied access to the IDF or whose personal beliefs prevent them from serving in the IDF. They are not the same thing. Even using that article there is nothing in it which speaks about difficulties for people enlisting (rather, it talks about historic difficulties which have since been removed). As for your friend from London, I can not say why he was prohibited from entering the IDF. He may have had psychological issues, physical issues, he may not have been a citizen of Israel, etc. Generally, only citizens of Israel may apply. Foreigners are encouraged to join the מאהל-צה”ל Mahal-IDF where they can join as volunteers.

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    • Not sure why the two words in שירות לאומי seems to have reversed position in my post above (letter for letter it transcribes as ‘mual tur’s, but of course, as Hebrew is written right to left it is usually written as sherut leumi – it literally means National Service, which is completely separate and distinct from צבא הגנה לישראל or the Israeli Defence Forces).

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    • I would say wikipedia are accurte enough, Israel and the US are very close as we all know, Israel would have the American site remove the information if they knew the information was false. One of the founders of Wikipedia is jewish. As for my friend he is a trained counselor with no mental problems very healthy, no physical problems, he has an Israeli and British passport, He was told he could volunteer.

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  • Anyway…my point is that any country with so called “supreme” leaders should be closely watched and with first sign of trouble neutralised.

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