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Rail timetable changes ‘will make rural lines unviable’

That is according to the Green Party, who says that the proposed Irish Rail timetable changes for 2013 are pushing some lines “toward collapse”.

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PROPOSED CHANGES TO the Irish Rail timetable could have a negative effect on rural lines, the Green Party has said.

The proposed 2013 Southern and Western National and Regional timetables were announced in November and submissions on them are now being sought. According to the Green Party, the draft changes “have been designed to make rural lines unviable” and the party will be opposing them in their submission.

Adam Douglas, Spokesperson on Transport said:

While a good job has been done to maintain services on the four Inter-City lines out of Heuston, the non-radial lines which connect Limerick, Galway and Waterford are being pushed toward collapse. The meagre twice-daily services in each direction between Limerick and Waterford are an example of this.

He claimed that if the timetable plans are adopted, “it will not be possible to get to either city from outlying towns in Tipperary for a 9am start and on Sunday the service disappears altogether”.

The party also feel the Limerick to Galway line is not being fully utilised because the timetable is “so inadequate”. They are asking for it to be redesigned to allow for travel times of 100 minutes and less, to offer a realistic alternative to travel by car.

Improvement

Barry Kenny of Irish Rail told TheJournal.ie that the draft timetable sees a lot of improvement in terms of journey time. He said that the company addresses frequency where it sees a demand, and there are some reductions in services where demand is extremely low.

The company is in a difficult financial situation and “the trains have to go where the demand is”, he said. With some train stations, they had put in new routes to see if interest would pick up. In Nenagh they put in additional trains in March to try and establish if there would be more of an interest, but found that only nine people a day used the service, which is “not sustainable in railway terms”.

“It is a very limited number of services that are affected,” said Kenny. “The most any route is seeing a reduction of in intercity terms is one [train] each way.”

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  • It does seen that the way the timetable is set up on regional lines is mostly about connecting to Dublin-bound services than providing local options.

    When the Limerick-Waterford line can’t get people into either city for a 9am start, that’s a hell of a lot of commuter traffic to just give up.

    The only truly successful regional rail line is Cork-Cobh/Midleton and that is entirely focused on a regular commuter service into Cork, rather than infrequent connections to Cork-Dublin trains.

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  • Limerick to Galway by car is cheaper, faster and gets you exactly where you want to go. That line will only work if it goes to Westport and onto Sligo. Still probably cheaper by car then.

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  • They put additional trains on to see if anyone would use them? What kind of lunacy is this? Have they never heard of market research or customer surveys?

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    • Dave 10/12/12 #

      Research only tells you so much. Everyone says they will use a new Rail service, everyone welcomes it as “vital”: then you get 9 people a day using it!

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    • I agree with the point overall. Mainly because the research carried out is usually not great. They should be finding out info like where you live, where you need to get to on a regular basis, how you get there now, how much that costs you in time and money. Then simply take the highest common denominator that they can provide a competitive price vs other modes of transport for. And if thats not possible, don’t do it. A simple ‘would you use this?’ is not good research as you point out. But putting a service on at great cost is also a terrible method to use if you’re strapped for cash and needing to cut costs.

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  • I never knew the Irish Rail had a timetable!

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  • that’s privatization for you! I worked for what was British Rail for seventeen years,ok I got subsidised travel allowing me to get back to Ireland four times a year!
    But Irish Rail need to really think again before cutting services,increasing fares and adjusting timetables, this won’t work,all it will do is drive frustrated customers into cars or alternative modes of transport.
    Therefore losing more than just revenue!

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  • trains in ireland a ridiculously expensive, mind you, they are cheaper than the uk

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  • What’s the Green Party?

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  • Irish Rail is the last bastion of old-school unionised semi-states where it’s perfectly acceptable to throw a strike at no notice whatsoever and leave 4,000 people on a platform because one of your colleagues has been sacked from what probably amounts to gross incompetence anyway.

    They’ve pushed the price of rail travel so high that no one is using the trains anymore. Their new Ryanair-style pricing system where a ticket costs ten euro more today than it did yesterday is as incomprehensible as it is a blatant and contrived attempt to rip the public off. Is a student going home for the weekend going to pay a little over a tenner for a bus or almost thirty euro for the train? Ridiculous.

    Sell and privatise this company now. Between management coming up with ever more byzantine schemes to charge more for the same service. such as the price being more expensive closer the date of travel (who do they think they are? British Airways?) and the new €2 “handling” fee coupled with staff that are stuck in the days of Arthur Scargill there’s just no hope. Privatise this company, privatise it now or give up the ghost on Ireland ever having a functional, affordable rail system.

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    • when was the last strike in irish rail? if people bother to book more than three days in advance they can get cheaper fares.

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    • You haven’t a clue what you’re on about. Student returns from Dublin to Limerick,. Thurles & a load of other places have been €20 for the last year or more i.e. €10 each way on the day. You can also get the same journey for €15 one way if you book online a few days in advance, or sometimes even the day before.

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    • The angry Irish man’s solution to everything is to privatise. Please live in the UK for a while. Or the US. In the UK privatised rail is a disaster and much more expensive. Tickets are past £100 return from Bristol to London on peak – about the same distance as Galway – Dublin and have built in inflation busting increases for the next 5 years. It’s about 5k a year to travel London- Reading. 30 minutes.

      And the trains are worse.

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    • Are you for real? What about the dismantling of British Rail? I’ve seen trains from Glasgow to London priced in their hundreds now!

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    • Just in response to the part about nobody using the trains; this certainly isn’t true for Dublin. Most trains during rush hour are well over seating capacity.

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  • Irish rail is a joke

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  • The journey time between Limerick and Galway should be a little over 30 minutes. 120mph track should have been laid but this been Ireland it’s almost faster to cycle to Galway than get the train.

    If IR wanted this route to work it would have ensured that the journey time was faster than that of the bus and car. They did no such thing, one wonders if people in IR want this route to fail, they certainly don’t seem to be interested in making a success of it.

    Imagine a 30 minute journey time between the two Cities, students could go to college in either City and be home for tea, the same would apply to workers.

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  • There’s still a Green Party?

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  • Bruce 10/12/12 #

    the biggest mistake IR made was to reopen the limerick Galway line.

    One can drive the route by almost 50% less time.

    generally the expansion of road and rail network was not a wise decision. The new road new work has allowed bus companies to hijack IRs market. The better providers won out

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  • They should invest in a few of those rail carts from Huckleberry Finn. Get fit while going places.

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  • Green…..party…..?

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  • John F 10/12/12 #

    RABBLE RABBLE…. SOMETHING ABOUT BANKERS, POLITICIANS AND SEAN QUINN!

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  • The rail network in Ireland isn’t viable (except a few lines) and never will be with our population, its spread and its density. So most lines should be closed.
    Simple !

    In Finland and Australia, they run a rail service only where it makes money.
    Running expensive trains into remote areas because Mrs Murphy wants to get a train to Dublin is crazy.

    With greater car ownership and more buses, railway in Ireland is in terminal decline.

    Face the facts…

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    • The facts are quite simple; If a train to Galway from Limerick took 35 minutes (60 miles) it would be packed every hour, cars would be left at home. Buses could be used to serve the people between the Cities.

      If people could get from Limerick or Cork to Dublin in an hour by rail, ( 120-140 miles, no reason why it can’t be done) cars again would be left at home.

      The fact is if we had a proper rail system it would pay for itself and more, we have have civil servants who love the status quo.

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  • On yer bike Greens. (I thought ye were gone already)

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  • Eamonn 10/12/12 #

    Like electronic voting it seems clear that train time tabling is too complex for the Irish.

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  • The commuter trains from maynooth get you everywhere so that your either 40 minutes late or 40 minutes early, its bloody ridiculous

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  • The cheapest and best option when building the motorway system was to build an extra 6 meter lane adjacent to the motorway.

    This of course could have been used to build a high speed rail network between our Cities and Towns. People in their cars who saw these trains whizzing by would think twice about driving to their destination again.

    Even when these motorways were being planned I was asking why a high speed rail system could not be built alongside them, just what were the civil servants asking?

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  • The cheapest and best option when building the motorway system was to build an extra 6 meter lane adjacent to the motorway.

    This of course could have been used to build a high speed rail network between our Cities and Towns. People in their cars who saw these trains whizzing by would think twice about driving to their destination again.

    Even when these motorways were being planned I was asking why a high speed rail system could not be built alongside them, just what were the civil servants asking?

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  • More unviable you mean.

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  • Eamonn 10/12/12 #

    As apparently is sarcasm!

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  • What party?

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