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Irish system has failed to provide higher number of women TDs: Taoiseach

Enda Kenny told a women in politics conference about his personal sacrifices in pursing politics and discussed gender quotas.

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ENDA KENNY has said the government will not seek to impose candidate gender quotas on the political parties ahead of the local elections in 2014, but acknowledged that many Dáil candidates gain their early political experience at local level.

The Taoiseach was speaking at the How to Elect More Women? conference in Dublin Castle this morning which aims to explore issues surrounding women’s involvement in Irish political life.

IRCHSS scholar Claire McGing of NUI Maynooth said that the current low percentage of women in Irish local government was ‘extremely worrying’ given that this is a way to work towards national office.

McGing said that women make up less than a quarter (22 per cent) of town councillors and less than one-fifth (16 per cent) of city or county councillors.

Overall, women account for 25 per cent of elected representatives in Ireland.

Sacrifices

Enda Kenny also spoke about the personal sacrifices involved in pursuing a political career, particularly in terms of family commitments.

“The choice that we made was that [my wife] Fionnuala raised the children practically on her own,” he said.

He said they had a rule that the children would speak to him in the evening whether he was at home or away, adding that “the thing about children is that they don’t make any distinction about distance, whether you’re in Alaska or Achill so long as you speak to them.”

“This was also brought home to me by an MEP many years ago who said to me, ‘I served in the European Parliament for many years, and the one regret that I really have is that my children moved from childhood to adulthood and I never saw them.”

Speaking at the conference, Senator Ivana Bacik said that one of the main obstacles in women’s participation was the shortage of childcare assistance and the lack of paternity leave for men “to acknowledge the caring role of men”.

Bacik said that supporting men’s greater involvement in home life would help more women to enter politics.

Quotas

Gender quota legislation is currently in the pipeline which will force parties to ensure that at least 30 per cent of their general election candidates are women or face significant cuts to their state funding.

“The people do not elect women solely to represent women and women’s issues, no more than they elect men to represent men’s issues only. As we face the challenges ahead we want to bring both perspectives to the table,” Kenny said.

“To those who challenge the concept [of quotas], I will just point out that women have been voting in Ireland for over 90 years, but our system has failed to provide the people with a higher and more appropriate `representation by women in the Dáil and the Oireachtas.”

A more equal gender balance is just one of the changes Ireland needs to make to ensure that political representation is actually representative of our society, according to political commenter and Irish Times assistant editor Fintan O’Toole.

He said the reasoning behind gender quotas wasn’t based on the notion that women would be “nicer”, less bloody-minded or gentler in politics, but that “we’re supposed to have a representative democracy with politicians who look a bit like us” including women, people born outside the country, and people from a wider range of backgrounds.

The director of the National Women’s Council of Ireland declined to attend the event in protest over the government’s recent 35 per cent cut to the organisation’s budget. NWCI project coordinator Eoin Murray attended in her place.

In a questions and answers session this afternoon, one attendee questioned McKay’s decision, saying that you “had to be in the room” to help bring about change.

The organisation has said that the budget cut would disadvantage women and children by attempting to silence a group that speaks on their behalf.

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Comments (54 Comments)

  • Quaotas are a terrible idea. You can’t fight sexism with equally sexist policies. Any changes should focus on removing barriers for all persons who want to enter politics, not just women.

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  • In Scandinavian parliaments in instance number of females is more than males. Even in Baltic countries a much more TD females. Why? The infrastructure. Free or affordable childcare, school basses, free hot mils in schools, free books, longer teaching hours, after school children activities, sports schools, musical schools etc. We pay the same taxes as they do, but see no value.

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  • Gender quotas? I thought the point of equality in a democracy was that everybody was on equal footing regardless of race, gender, creed, etc?

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  • Gender and Race quotas should never be allowed.
    @The authors of theJournal.ie

    This is the second article in one day in related to gender quotas and how women are not equal to men in the workplace. I’d be quite interested in a poll if one could be created on the topic.

    Just a thought from me a normal Joe Soap with no quarrels against women in the workplace but with massive issues against forcing numbers from a particular sex or race onto an organisation/establishment (anywhere for that matter)

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  • Enda sums it up in a sentence. “The choice that we made was that [my wife] Fionnuala raised the children practically on her own,” he said. He made that decision jointly with his wife.

    My wife and I made similar decisions bringing up our children. NO ONE from the Government helped us. Our employers were not bothered about our family arrangements just so long as the job got done. Most women have up to a year off before returning to work, some on pay, some on no pay.

    Just because you want to be a politician does not mean you should be sheltered from reality. The fact is women need time off to have a baby, recover and mother, before returning to work.
    If a female politician wants to return to work after her year off, then that is fine. Get a house husband or a child minder. DO NOT make the public pay MORE money to keep female politicians & their children in the lap of luxury. Every working woman on this island would love dearly to have their children to hand in a crèche.

    If they want to be a politician, make the SACRIFICE like Enda. Do not expect the public to pay to prove a point. We have paid enough!

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    • What about the sacrifice she made? Why is no mention made of that? How many men would be willing to put aside ambitions for a life outside of their home, caring responsibilities for their shared family, in order to support their wife’s aspirations? Perhaps if gender stereotypes could change, that women despite their biology were supported to have a role in society not confined to caring roles, there would be no need for gender quotas. Why is there more concern that gender quotas would not lead to the best candidate being chosen but none that barriers facing over half the population’s participation in the selection process prevents them even being considered for positions they might be astoundingly suitable for? In looking for the best candidate don’t we need to be able to select from more than the presently available fraction of the pool? Doesn’t Irish society not only deserve but absolutely need to have the best of candidates and thereby to be able to elect the best possible public representative?

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    • Pay? What mention was there of financial handouts?

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    • @Denise
      Perhaps the Kenny’s made the decision together as a family for Enda to run. Perhaps Enda’s wife does not see it as a sacrifice supporting her husband in his endeavors. Did all of Nasa sacrifice their dreams when they put Neil Armstrong on the moon? I’m sure many of them wanted to be astronauts, but recognized that he was their best hope for success.

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  • Gender quotas are a terrible idea. If women don’t want to run, they won’t run. End of story.

    Debates like this are a total waste of floor time in Leinster House.

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  • When you hear some of the statements made about politicians is it any wonder they have difficulty attracting new people, regardless of gender….

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    • By increasing the pool of candidates by looking at barriers facing candidates and to include women and men who would not normally be attracted to politics, I believe we can move away from the traditional party ties and nepotism within politics to develop a new style of politician who understands the constituents and is willing to represent them rather than the self serving, power hungry attitude often displayed by current and past politicians. We need change!

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    • Denise, we need change but there are barriers because you can’t run until 21 rather than judging you by your merits they due you by: Age,Sex,Background. An 18 year old could do just a good job as a 21 year old and in councils a 16 year old could do just a good job as a 18 year old. But heres the problem thats the age group( 16-20) you see in politics that want to change things, force those who caused the mess to pay and the very ones our current lot are afraid of. It won’t change for a while im afraid.

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  • This is akin to the Affirmative action policy South Africa undertook. And well that did not work out too well did it? This is when democracy stops being democratic. TDs please concentrate your limited brain power on more pressing issues.

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  • I dont see women as a group, men and women are in the same group in my eyes, what issues do you have as a woman that I dont have as a man that are not being, or could not be dealt with by a male or female competent representative?

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    • @Gavin- most issues “could” be dealt with by either gender but the reality is that they haven’t been dealt with adequately by male dominant parliaments. Child care costs, equitable health care, equitable non denominational education, paternal leave, adoption laws, foster care issues, children’s rights are all things that impact on society but which need pushing forward.

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  • Womens quotas = female privilege , put yourself up as an independent if you are not put on the ticket by your party , if you have the qualities that the electorate want they will elect you anything else is undemocratic.Take heart if you are rejected by the electorate you can be offered a seat in the senate like all other unelectables.

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  • The gender of TDs is completely irrelevant. Finding skilled, decent, honest, and loyal (to the country) TD’s is the challenge….. As is demostrated with the new set of clowns every term…

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  • Where do you stop with this line of reasoning – gender quotas across all government employee groups??? Think of the gender imbalance in nursing and primary school teaching. At the last election 51% of the electorate were women, they voted for whoever they wanted. Why not setup a new party emphasising gender equality with equal numbers of women and men? We all know were crying out for a new political party with no attachments to the recent history but representative of the bright hard working honest and much put upon joe or josephine public

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    • There was one woman in my constituency out of about 30 candidates running (the amount of loopers running in wicklow was unreal!) how am I supposed to vote for women if theres only one running? Some constituencumys didnt even have women running. Not sure how I feel about quotas but the women didnt vote for women argument is flat out bollox when theres so few/no women to vote for in the first place!

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    • @ Abi. You’re sugesting that with the lack of a credible candiate you default to a woman? Or that you want to vote for a woman regardless of skill or credibility?

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    • I never said I default to a woman, I’m saying that the argument that woman as 51% of the population dont vote for other women is not a valid argument when theres no women to vote for

      And in this instance i voted 2nd for her second as she was labour and seemed decent and had done more canvassing than other labour candidates locally and I (maybe foolishly in hindsight) thought a labour coalition would put some leftist manners on FG who were a shoe in at the time. My first preference went to an independant who I did like the best, so it wasnt a vote based on gender. But my point is far too few women run, I dont know if quotas are a good mechanism, and women arent the only underrepresented group but given how dynastic politics is surely opening up irish politics to new blood can only be a good thing. Although I think all barriers that prohibit different groups from running need to be addressed to do that.

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  • Childish for the Women’s council not to attend. Women are better than that.

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  • No Enda, the old boys club, of which you and your buddies in Labour and Fianna Fail are a part, have failed to provide a higher number of woman TD’s. Its too hard for them to break into politics when they are running against the son of some former TD. By acknowledging the problem and effectively doing nothing about it, you are doing nothing more than pandering for the female vote in the next round of elections. Lets see how many women your own party runs then; then we can see if you really feel strongly about it.

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  • Another Day, Another U-TURN, Another Failure.

    And does that plank honestly think he’ll be in office in 2014? Surely even Enda isn’t that idiotic.

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    • Clarification: i mean that its a failure not to have it in time for the next elections, I am 100% anti-sexism and delaying such legislation is a disgusting act of sexism. This is do-it-on-day-one legislation.

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    • Karl, you say that you are anti-sexism but couldn’t you argue that implementing this legislation could be considered sexist?

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    • Síomha I said the delay was a u-turn which is sexist because its not being put in on day one. i mean of course there should be ways for a fairer balance at 50% but currently its 30% under the proposed law so that will have to do for now because eventually it will be brought up to 50/50, you know once you start things begin rolling. Sexism is worse now than it would be if we had legislation forcing parties to put women into politics.

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    • Karl, I don’t think that you understood my point. “Forcing” parties to put women into politics is sexist in itself.

      I don’t vote for politicians because they are male or female, I vote for them because I think that they will do the best at their job. Now people’s gender will be a deciding factor in their election. That is sexist.

      I don’t see how women not going for the job is sexist. that is their choice and maybe we should combat why they make that choice as opposed to just making up stupid rules to make them get the job

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    • Síomha in many occasions during previous elections highly qualified women went for the job and didn’t get past because of men with little or no qualifications. You justify that as fair? that those parties shouldn’t be punished? You see that as okay?

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    • If that’s who people wanted to vote for then yes Karl, it is fair.

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    • Síomha they never got to vote because the parties said no to those potential candidates on sexist grounds.

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    • Do you have proof that it was on sexist grounds?

      So basically you’re saying that you want sexism, but just the other way?

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    • Nope actually evidence exists everywhere and need I remind you the melon lisbon ad from YFG? Or on the cabinet despite Burton having more qualifications for Howlins job she got a crappier post. Evidence is everywhere if you open your eyes.

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    • And more on the point yes parties have done that its being on the radio before and will be again unless we do something. You see a 50/50 balance in those going for elections for a party as sexist? Do we need to get you maths grinds?

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    • Karl, you seem to be making less and less sense as you go on.

      Sexism is the discrimination of a person due to their gender.

      This legisliation is dicriminative against men. It is sexist.

      Why do we need a 50/50 balance of anything? Surely what we need is a high calibre of politicians to vote for, not just people put up for the election because they are male or female. Should we start having quotas for black people and buddhists as well? To have everyone represented…

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  • When you here delayed in Irish politics it really means cancelled.

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  • Referring to the gender quota debate that is bound to ensue on this, as on your earlier article, I would like to draw the attention of contributors that the legislation requires 30% of the candidate to be male. That seems to be overlooked in the comments. I would ask why there is an overwhelming negative attitude to reporting, discussing or legislating for gender EQUALITY. Why is there a persistence in stating that women don’t participate without looking at why? Where barriers are shown to exist why not discuss their removal. If women don’t attend meetings, for example, why can’t people move on from that to look at why they don’t attend? Why assume apathy on the part of women or a wish not to be part of and contribute to political life. I would like to point out that this subject is being reporting through all the Irish news media sites and that the journal.ie is not showing bias but doing its job reporting news.

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    • Well said Denise. The knee jerk reaction against women’s issues by some people is counter productive whether you believe in the quotas or not.

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    • I still disagree with Gender Quota completely – be it for 30% Male & 30% Female. At the end of the day a Male of a Female candidate may not be selected to run because of their gender, not based on Qualifications…

      How would you feel if you applied for a Job and didn’t get it because they didn’t reach there Male Quota, so a less qualified Male was hired, you’d be OK with that I presume?

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    • A couple of comments on your post:
      – you not that the legislation requires 30% of the candidates to be male. I have no desire for this either. I would prefer to vote for the most qualified. If presented with a panel of just suitably qualified female candidates I don’t believe I would object or feel underrepresented. By way of example, I don’t feel the need to demand a male GP when I’m ill. I accept that my GP is suitably qualified to do the job. My strong belief is that any positive discrimination one way or another is a bad thing. I would guess most of the contributors would feel the same.
      – I’d love you to elaborate on some of the barriers you see. How have these barriers not hindered Mary Coughlan, Nora Owen, Mary Mitchell O’Connor, Mary Banotti, Mary McAleese etc. from progressing in their political careers? I accept that there are challenges facing any person entering into politics. Challenges such as raising a family or running a business impact on candidates of both gender. How families have chosen and choose to deal with these challenges should not impact on the set of candidates I can choose to represent me in government.

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    • Thank god for Senator Ivana Bacik who is speaking a bit of sense. For too long dad have been treated by the state as second class parents. Leaving the child raring duties to women. Heres toreal equality. :-)

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  • Robert the point of the matter is that women, often more qualified then men don’t get given the opportunity to run for election – for many reasons, cash, childcare, confidence etc etc- and therefore a quota would improve this. Another point id like to mention is that the two women in cabinet at the minute, burying and Fitzgerald- are given ‘feminine’ portfolios, social protection and children respectively, despite Burton having an accountancy degree, and Noonan having trained as a teacher!

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    • We’ve had a female President for 21 years, a female Tánaiste, Health Minister, Tourism Minister. How is Social Welfare a ‘feminine’ portfolio? If Joan Burton is an accountant surely she’s in the right place managing the most inefficient, biggest spending department? Quotas are a total hypocrisy, childcare is only solved by infrastructure and if they don’t have self confidence they shouldn’t be running for anything.

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    • @Rachel quotas do not address childcare at all, affordable childcare and paternity leave is whaymts needes there! Although perhaps they might get some new blood into politics rather than so and sos grandson whos grandad did something mildly noteworthy years ago. Politics in this country is far too dynastic and that needs to be addressed as well as barriers to politics for anybody, female or male who doesnt have the connections, money or resources.

      @mark listing a small number of ministers and 2 out of 9 presidents does not show significant progress. The number of women in government is pitiful, but I still dont know how I feel about quotas as I think it doesnt solve all the underlying reasons more women arent in politics, but if it is a step in ending dynistic politics and opening politics to a wider pool of individuals well why not?

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