Coralled them into camps and ghettos too.

I’m no fan of Israeli policy in various matters, but to be fair all there are is claims of wrongdoing so far, and authorities have taken steps to ensure that such things do not happen.

Maybe, if deep-seated racism wasn’t so inherent to Israel. They also talk about finding peace with the Palestinians while stealing their land and murdering them.

Yes JayK that might prove a bit difficult…but hey you can always keep trying by ‘beating’ them into submission.

Well said Abby.

Abby, read the last 4 words in the article.

That drug depo provera made by pfizers has killed women, google it depo provera and look at the side effects it’s shocking and it’s given to women here in Ireland it’s link to cancer, HIV,sti.

They being who exactly?

None of this is at all surprising.

The claims are being made by a rights advocacy group, nothing has been confirmed as of yet so labeling the entire state racist is a tad ironic.

Various advocacy groups have criticized the Irish government for how asylum seekers are treated and left waiting for years to have their cases heard. Does that make Ireland a racist state also?

To be fair Martin if we started enforcing contraception on our own citizens never mind immigrants can you imagine the outrage.

@Brian, I’m sure there would be outrage. There’s outrage right now in Israel over these claims, both from politicians and the public. There’s no evidence that the state are responsible for anything that is alleged to have been done. There has been no confirmation or evidence provided that anything did occur.

As I’ve said, I’m no fan of Israel or its policies, but it does critics a disservice to jump to conclusions and prematurely attack the state. Others will use it as a stick to beat critics with if it turns out to be an isolated matter or one which was unknown to authorities.

I can only go by newspaper reports http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html but considering Israels previous human rights record it wouldn’t surprise me in the least that this was sanctioned even if it was on an unofficial level. Israelis are always quick to bring up the Holocaust and the horrors of the Nazi’s yet are completely blind to their own human rights violations. A bit like a victim of abuse becoming an abuser themselves except on a nationwide scale.

” Last year, the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who also holds the health portfolio, warned that illegal immigrants from Africa “threaten our existence as a Jewish and democratic state”. Echos of the past, different country, same mindset, Africian untermensch.

Zionism is racist by definition. Can’t have an inclusive country exclusively for white Jews.

Mart-n,

Ireland IS a racist country!

You’ve never been to Israel JayK, have you? Israel is one of the most multi-cultural countries in the world.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=racist+israel&oq=racist+israel&gs_l=youtube.3..0l3.1010.4521.0.4735.17.11.2.4.5.0.100.765.10j1.11.0…0.0…1ac.1.xIjWkY2kxRs

I’ve never been to Israel. Neither have I been to apartheid South Africa, but when politicans calling for racial genocide are cheered in the streets, I can make an educated guess as to the national attitudes. Israel is more akin to Nazi Germany than San Francisco.

“I’ve never been to Israel. … Israel is more akin to Nazi Germany than San Francisco.”

LOL !

I’ve been to Israel recently and it’s pretty well acknowledged that Israel is not so keen anymore on inviting African Jews to join them as new migrants and there is a lot of racism. Isn’t there an issue about a very racist football club there at the moment? And of course the fact that Palestinians who are Israeli citizens cannot marry someone from the West Bank and have them move to Israel is racism too. An Israeli Jew could marry an American and they would be allowed move to Israel, but someone living 5 minutes away over the border is verboten. And the fact Israel is a Jewish State by definition means it is something else as well, and it doesn’t begin with democratic.

Ireland is an Irish state. Is that undemocratic ?

No it’s not. If Ireland was a Catholic State, that would be undemocratic. As much as people bleat on about secular Jews, it is still a religion, not a race.

Why can’t it be both, Orla? Maybe ask someone who is Jewish how they understand the relationship between their ethnicity and their religion. You may get varying answers but Israel is certainly a country for people of Jewish ethnicity whether they practice their religion or not. There is no equivalence between Ireland as a Catholic state and Israel as a Jewish one – it’s an unfortunately widespread fallacy and demonstrates that in Ireland at least, we tend to view the Israel Palestine conflict through the lens of our own history.

Just look at the siege of gaza, stops, authorisation papers, the “fence” etc
Next look at polish ghettos during WW2 where Jews were seized in…..

Looks to me the learned just fine and are applying the same treatment knowingly…..disgusting

Hello Google Tracking

You clearly know very little about Polish Ghettos in WW2.

For the record: The Warsaw Ghetto contained the Jewish 30% of Warsaw’s population crammed into 2.4% of its area, giving a density of 122,000 people / sq km or 7.2 people per room (compare Gaza population density == 4,750 / sq. km). Its living conditions were slave labour, starvation, the death penalty for smuggling food and daily arbitrary murder at hands of Nazi forces. Its nutrition levels were officially 181 calories per day per Jew (7% of German ration, 24% of Polish ration).

The death rate was over 4,600 per month or 100,000 in total from starvation, disease and killings between Nov 1940 and June 1942, when the Nazis began the deportation of another 265,000 to Treblinka to be murdered. Between then and the Ghetto uprising in April-May 1943, another 36,000 Jews were murdered in the Ghetto; after the Ghetto uprising the remaining 50,000 were deported to be exterminated.

Now, if you have evidence to back up your ignorant assertion (we will be charitable and assume that you are not knowingly lying) that Israel applies ‘the same treatment’ to Gaza, which it abandoned in 2005 but against whose rocket fire and suicide bombers it has been forced to defend its citizens, go ahead and supply it.

Israel is powerful because it gets €3billion in aid each year from the US – let’s see how they would fare if the US pulled out of that country.

Why should the Arab League absorb Palestinians? The Palestinians know where their homes are, they can see them over the security fences that Israel puts up. They don’t have to be absorbed into a foreign land when all they have to do is drive up the road a few miles and tell the illegal settlers to get off their land!

@Brian. Because the British Mandate of Palestine included what is now Jordan. Jordan helped themselves to the West Bank by annexation after the 1948 Arab/Israeli war until they lost it again in the 1967 war. They never offerred a Palestinian state and indeed went so far as to expel Palestinians to Lebanon in 1971

” there is no ethnic cleansing.”!
Tell that to the Palestinians in exile.
If the Jews want to bitch about being kicked off “their” land let them take it up with the people who kicked them off it and not the people who lived there for a thousand years. Do Irish families who historically were kicked off their land in the Plantations have the right to go up to the 6 counties and force the descendants of English and Scottish settlers out of their homes and bulldoze them to the ground. Surely Britain will “absorb” them.

Israel was not attacked four times in massive offensives, they attacked their neighbours in every war but 1972, the unexpected success of the Egyptian army in this war was the only reason they pulled out of the Sinai and made peace with Egypt. If Israel lay down their arms there would be no more Israel is rubbish, they are a nuclear armed regional superpower supported by the worlds only superpower and are in no danger of being wiped off the map by anyone, least of all the resistance fighters of Hamas.

There are so many things wrong with what you have said, it’s hard to know where to start. There IS ethnic cleansing, Israel makes day-to-day life so difficult for Palestinians that many have emigrated, they cannot get to work, university and 6 young people were killed by the IDF in the last 10 days or so in circumstances that did not warrant it at all, some were shot in the back. There will be no justice for these young people, we all know that. And it is the Talmud which they use to lay claim to Palestine, not the Bible. And how would you describe what has happened in Gaza in the two assaults, that was nothing short of a death camp, where people had to sit and wait to be bombed, they had nowhere to go. Read the UN and other reports, it is all there. And whether Israel is referring to race, culture or religion when they refer to the Jewish people makes no difference, they still openly discriminate against non Jews, whether it is in education, housing, work or citizenship. So you think the Jews deserve their land to live in, I suppose that means I can go back to Tyrone and claim my rightful dynasty, or as Celts we can head back to Central Europe – always wanted a holiday home in Austria.

of course it’s wrong TFM, but the comparison is not made because it has any resemblance to the truth – the Israelis = Nazis thing exists so that antisemites can justify their racism. When a story like the one above breaks about how one section of Israeli society does something objectionable while another group stands against the injustice and tries to correct it, it always becomes about how the whole country is ‘racist’ or doesn’t care about ‘human rights’ or whatever, and then it becomes about how ‘Israel shouldn’t really exist in the first place’. Even if all the accusations levelled against Israel were completely accurate, it would still be the only country in the world whose critics think it ought to thereby forfeit its right to exist – an argument nobody ever even made about Germany following World War II. ALL racists believe their hatred to be justified, and ALL racists believe themselves the victims, and the objects of their intolerance their oppressors.

I meant to say, not all critics of Israel are antisemites – of course they’re not, it shouldn’t even need to be said. But those who say that Israelis should just either pack up and go somewhere else, or absorb themselves in a majority Muslim/Arab/Palestinian state, would really have to question their own motives.

Whereas purveyors of those ‘clever’ Israel-Nazi analogies come out from under their rocks at the drop of a hat!

Firstly I am intrigued as to where all these Palestinians have been killed as I haven’t seen a single article anywhere that mentions it.

Secondly ( and you have got to see the irony here) if those Palestinians weren’t refuges living in exile in Syria after being ethnically cleansed by the Israeli State they would all be now living alive and well in their own homes far away from the Syrian war.

Brian there are many Palestines killed in Syria. Look at http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/12/2012121612329600740.html and that’s even Al Jazeera.

Thank you for that Kristina, it is the first time that I had seen any reporting of that type. Although I am still waiting to find the reports of the “thousands” of exiled Palestinians killed that Reginald alludes to,

I dont think there is thousands but UNRWA reports say that there is hundreds killed in Syria. http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/61216/World/Region/-Palestinians-killed-in-Syria-conflict-PLO.aspx and http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=299309

” Of course some Israelis are racist, What country has no racists “.
Yes of course, except that in the case of Israel it seems that all the racists are the ones in power.

Israeli Interior Minister says migrants do not recognize that Israel ‘belongs to the white man.’:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/israel-enacts-law-allowing-authorities-to-detain-illegal-migrants-for-up-to-3-years-1.434127

After world war 2 every country involved learned that war is futile and peace was needed , the un was set up, the eu was set up , peace treaty’s were signed and all was well, but for some reason the US and israel didnt learn, and they continue their joint genocide of muslims and the land grab all across the middle east.

And just how many Israelis have you met in your life Simon? And what propaganda are you referring to?

Relevance your honour?

Well to dislike an entire race of people to the extent you want their country nuked I presume you’ve formed this opinion through multiple bad experiences with said race?

The government is criminal and democratically elected. Therefore the people are as complicit. I’m not advocating civilian casualties but the removal of their hold on Palestinian territory. My views have nothing to do with bad personal encounters.

I’m pretty sure there’d be civilian casualties if North Korea attacked them.

No it isn’t, and nothing in the article could lead you to think that.

It is similar to the Australian sterilization of Aboriginal woman in the 1970’s.

@ Dave Gaughran
Yes it is similar to the case you mentioned, but it is worth looking at to what extent the pushing of contraceptives by the west on Africa is attempting to apply population control on Africa from outside. This type of population control is visible in for instance the locating of abortion clinics in America, where they are predominately located in poorer African-American districts. African Americans make up 10% of the population, but account for 30% of all abortions. We know of course that Margaret Sanger was an open advocate of eugenics.

Ah yes. Another pro-life loon. With pro-life lunatic theories.

Are black woman in America forced to go into abortion clinics?
The answer is no.

So your theory is the greatest load of BS!

Paddy the difference is that the people in Africa are informed of their choices and the idea is to have controled families to give a better life for people in their own lands. The Israeli’s were not informing these women and threatening them with deportation if they didn’t take the drug.

The reason women of colour as in African American and Hispanic/Latino is due to economic factors. The right wing neo liberal capitalism rampant in America means they cannot afford to continue their pregnancies. Black people more likely to be low paid, poverty means less eduction, less access to healthcare and contraception therefore more abortions.

Petr Tarasov Is there any depth to which you will not sink in your eagerness to vilify a democratic state based on a speculative, uncorroborated and inconclusive set of allegations?

Men cant have a baby to gain citizenship

True, Jewish citizenship is passed on through the mother.

I thought that once you were Jewish you automatically had the right to citizenship.

Yes, but white European Jews are particularly what they are looking for, Middle Eastern Jews, African Jews are considered to have questionable loyalties, therefore they have a desire to keep their populations to a minimum.

Not if your spouse is a “gentile”

Dave, at least they have allowed them to immigrate.

Most Israelis are not descendants of “European Jews”. You say “European”? There seems to be this illusion that most Israelis are of a White/European background. What background is the girl in the video harassing the Israeli soldiers and trying to provoke them to react? From what I can see the Palestinian girl with blond hair and very fair skin looks more European than the Israeli soldiers who look Middle Eastern. Typical ignorant stereotype of Israelis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMiu5lXeB20

You say “European”? There seems to be this illusion that most Israelis are of a White/European background.

Eh yes they are, their parents or their parents parents emigated to Palestine from Europe. I don’t think there is any dispute about that at all.

If you are talking about descent along a longer timescale, then the Palestinians have a closer link to the Jews of ancient Judea than most Israelis do. Not that it would matter, imagine you called up to someones house and say, hey my ancesters lived here 2000 years ago, I’ve come to reclaim their land!!!!

Dave over half of Israelis descend from Jewish exiles from neighboring Arab states. Ex: Afghanistan (not an Arab state) use to have thousands of Jews who fled the country during the rise of the Taliban. They overwhelmingly immigrated to Israel and there is only one actual Jew living in Kabul, Afghanistan presently. Your friend Abby has posted David Duke (KKK Grand Wizard) videos on other articles and claims Jews are ethnically cleansing Ireland.