maybe they will attempt to get all the negative fallout in one go, post budget

Smart thinking but I’m not so sure they’re clever enough to have considered that. Lucky timing, I’d guess

20 years later. We don’t want to rush?

And Gilmore once more can’t keep his mouth shut. Will be interested to see how labour deal with this attempt to stall things once again

yous are all missing the point it is “likely to happen next year” which means its not high priority for them and more likely to take 2-3 yrs +

Ah well, whats another year?

Or 20!

Pass the 2 year mark,eligible for their pensions,so if this goes pear shaped and collapses this morally corrupt government,well at least they have their pensions are secured.They know their time is coming to a close.Won’t be surprised if there is an election some time in the middle of next year.

Karl
i,m with ya there on that.

Snore, stupid comment…We all know the way that turned out…better to do a good job than a quick one…in all aspects of life ;-)

Yet when a FF judge is letting his building to a Head Shop, legislation on an entire industry can be passed in record time!

While i’m aware FF were in power at the time, i see NO difference between FF & FG

Ok. Give them another 20 years or more. That way we will be guaranteed good law

if this government or the last government were ever to decide on lets say the invention of the wheel we would all still be clad in fur skins
for socalled highly educated(government) individuals their logis stinks.
their overwhemling selfbelief in themselfs is nothing short of a betrail of every democratic principle in every consitution

Karl ,you’re right. We got an unasked for blasphemy law on the quick quick and we wait 20 years for legislation on the X case.

These guys just do not believe in rushing themselves .
Reilly, Kenny, Bruton, Burton, Hayes, Gilmore, they are all a shower of ——
fill in the gaps
I can not their lack of care or empathy. Do they have wives ,daughters, sisters ,nieces
SHAME on you all for the LACK of NEO NATAL care in this country. Are youse all so two faced?

When the situation is in need of emergency intervention rather than elective/semi elective intervention.

So you should wait until your appendix is ready to burst; it’s certainly the best moment to operate, mr. Connolly.

It is just a tad depressing that what’s being argued over here is ‘mother’s right to life’ versus ‘woman’s right to choose’, isn’t it? We’re woefully behind the rest of the developed world on this front, and even if the government do pass the kind of legislation being discussed, it will have taken twenty years and the death of a woman to get rolling, and be painfully basic – and they’ll be patting themselves on the back for it even as the pro-life/anti-choice crazies fret over doctors abusing this law to conduct abortions.

and not sure why that didn’t post as a new comment! *prods site* Though I suppose it’s a good one to be replying to… :)

The image of someone attempting to prod a site has given me a chuckle though. :)

Permanantly outside leinster house…till its legislated.

Whatever about it being too late, go hound the other parties that have been in government that did nothing about it. This government look like they will do something but its not something that can be decided in a day.

they are only doing it because its landed on their door step..fg had a strong hold in the dail when the x case happened and did nothing..a desperate attempt to gain popularity

X case FF were in bed with Labour 20 bloody years ago

Vinnie
What does the word “yous” mean?

Vinnie Mulvihill,

FF and Lab were the government in 1992, save your FG bashing for when you can actually get your facts right.

Correct me if I’m wrong Kevin O’Sullivan but Kenny before the election said he was not going to legislate on the X case?

One other question why have only 4 people seen the “experts report” it should be published straight away as the public who have paid for it have a right to see what options have been suggested. I for 1 do not want to see what Kenny & Gilmore decide is the right option for the Irish people without seeing the full document.

Hear Hear Kerry!

The expert group is chaired by justice Sean Ryan and made up of experts in the fields of law and medicine as far as I am aware

knowing polititicans…the group will be made up of 2ex priests,2 ex nuns, 3members of the I.C.A., 3Catholic school teachers….you get my drift

@ Les Rock – A little bit of research Les and perhaps even a little bit of reading of the article you are commenting on would tell you that group was setup early this year, has actually finished its deliberations and produced its report which is with the Minister at the moment and will be discussed by the Cabinet next Tuesday.

Just for the record the membership of the group was as follows:

Dr Peter Boylan, Consultant Obstetrician and Gynaecologist
Dr Mary Holohan, Consultant Obstetrician and Gynaecologist
Dr Imelda Ryan, Psychiatrist
Dr Ailish Ni Riain, General Practitioner
Dr Mark Walsh, General Practitioner
Ms Christine O’Rourke, Office of the Attorney General
Ms Mary O’Toole, Senior Counsel
Ms Joanelle O’Cleirigh, Solicitor
Ms Denise Kirwin, Solicitor
Dr Deirdre Madden, Medical Council
Dr Maura Pidgeon, An Bord Altranais
Dr Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
Mr Bernard Carey, Assistant Secretary, Department of Health

Not too many Catholic school teachers there as far as I can see or nuns or priests. But sure why let the facts get in the way of an ill-informed rant!

writing legislation that covers most of the angles , covering all is impossible, will take the legislative draughtsmen quite a while.even then there may well be constitutional court cases.just as the first abortion referendum ending up meaning something unintended because of legal interpretations of wordings, so could whatever they come up with now. also, as they say hard cases make bad law.

Derek Larney, the first part of your comment is wrong and the second part is wrong. There was no legislation and the president did not sign anything. Get the facts right before issuing a comment.

Typically, you’d be right Kingstown, but somehow I don’t think they will get away with doing nothing this time. For the first time in a long time, they might be forced to awaken from their submissive slumber, and actually represent the wishes of the majority of the people. Here’s hoping.

That’s harsh, poignant, well deserved and true. Well said.

Wasting your time. The mob has spoken. Why do things right when you can do them fast?

Couldnt agree more, but he’s not delaying on what to put in the legislation, he’s delaying on whether to actually have legislation in the first place

20 years is not enough ?

I wasn’t aware this government had been in for 20 years. How time flies. And it seems like only a few months ago the expert group was set up to make their recommendations.

They wrote the legislation for the bank guarantee overnight and had the President sign it into law that very evening.

Oh sorry. I suppose they should rush it then. Your’e all very intelligent people obviously.

The referendum was passed in 1983, the X case 1992, legislation on this issue would hardly be swift even if it happened in the morning. Another referendum is need now, Irish mentality has changed in relation to abortion and our legislatures need to reflect this fact

Well Peter you can propose a constitutional amendment stripping an inconvenient minority of their human rights to bring benefits to the majority. I would love what emotional pitch would be used to spin that one.

I think you missed the point of the article there David. This isn’t a delay to write the legislation required, it is a delay to decide on whether to legislate or not. Is 20 years and god knows how many preventable deaths that haven’t even reached the media not enough to decide?

Who told you that? That statement reeks of delay tactics waffle.

If this government is willing to go ahead with a referendum after the supreme court rules it was biased, they can’t be too worried about laws and legislation. so they can get down of their high horses and make things happen if they wanted to.

Do me a massive favour have a look at rate my hospital and then come back to me and tell me Ireland’s safe to give birth personally wouldn’t even let my cats give birth in Nat Maternity hospital but that argument is for another day

Have a look at rate my hospital, wouldn’t let my cat give birth in Nat Maternity hospital but that’s for another day

Sweden and Greece are also the safest, and they have abortion.

But not as safe as say Italy which is rated as the safest place and guess what, YES abortion is legal there. The safety of having a baby where actual difficulties exist cannot be measured with any degree of accuracy once we keep exporting women with problem pregnancies to Britain – the stats mean nothing.

FYI Ireland’s abortion laws have everything to do with this case, this lady could not have a medical abortion because a heartbeat could still be detected and an imminent threat to life as opposed to possible threat health did not exist. Pain and agony of physical and mental nature existed but that is “supposedly” not important; imminent threat to life is all that matters – sickening and shameful.

Sick of this ‘fact’ being spouted. From AIMS, Ireland (Association for Improvements in Maternity Services, Ireland):
“There is alot of misinformed stats being thrown out following the tragic death of Savita with regards to Ireland’s maternal death rates.

Ireland’s classification system masks the true numbers for maternal death. In EU and UK, maternal death is recorded for direct and indirect deaths (homicide, suicide, etc) in pregnancy, birth or up to a year after birth. In IRELAND, maternal death is only recorded for direct death (ie maternity related complications) in pregnancy, birth, and only 42 days following birth. Once Ireland is forced to comply with EU standards of classification in 2013, our rates will jump from 1 per 100,000 to around 10 per 100,000 – similar to UK and EU states.”

Jim
The referendum would be passed of course. Thing is Enda WILL NOT introduce a referendum on this issue . He has constantly said that he would not be comfortable for a Referendum on this … As I said the other day Call a spade a spade and a tool a tool. Enda is no spade!

Its not what the polls suggest, and I would hope we have matured enough to realise that women have total control and autonomy over their own bodies;. we might pretend that they don’t but we also ignore the fact that 12 women leave Ireland every day to have an abortion.

The constitutional amendment (which lacks the relevant legislation to back it up) distinguishes between the life and health of mother. It’s only her life that’s to be protected, health complications are not actually considered adequate grounds.
When exactly does the mothers right to life become a priority? It would seem only when she is in a critical condition.

Couple that with an equal right to life of the unborn and legislation that seeks jail terms for procuring or administering an abortion and this is where you end up.

Thanks Shanti, that answers my question and clears up.