2 sugars make mine strong.

He waited til his pension was guaranteed…

Yup…a leaf right out of the FF manual. Jump ship before it tanks and head to the hills with the pension in under your arm. Feigned honour and nobility by this joker won’t stop Gilmore’s circus from getting pummelled next time round .

Rob, no pension, no big wages, this is a councillor. Sometimes an act of principle is real.

What pension – councillors don’t get pensions?

Well what would you expect from a lying sheep head? Labours way or Frankfurts way! Labours way or pepper spray!
I can’t believe people actually fell for his lies when they voted him in.
Jesus you people have a bad judge of character :-)

And my rant is about happy gillmore.
Just clarifying my position. :-D

You are so right. The way Labour and FG have behaved since coming to power sickens me.

The way they have stripped benefits from elderly on the OAP allowance this year is bordering on evil.

Yet they promote their buddies and family members to lucrative state jobs.

Gilmore is without doubt one of the worst leaders Labour has had – up there with rabbit. Their thirst for power and it’s trappings has blinded then to reality.

But I guess if you look at background of the labour party leadership back to the organizations they were part of in the 70′s and 80′s and you will see that state service was not on the agenda. On the contrary service of a few and distruction of the state were the order of the day.

I wish the media would do a proper investigation of these gentlemen.

(I expect to be reprimanded for these comments)

After the deal that was done on the promissory notes and emerging now on the bank debt it looks like it is Labour’s way after all! Frankfurt seriously pissed off by the debt deal done for Ireland.

What you talkin bout Willis?

The media don’t do proper investigations into these men.
I wish the journal would start seen as they’ve been fair enough so far, but that’s starting to change.
Censorship and what not.

Desmond, are you seriously deluded? A “deal” which will have us paying more to the EU than we already had to has been a victory for Labour? If the best Labour can hope to achieve is to make a balls out of everything they touch then they should just disband and save everyone the trouble.

To be fair the journal does allow full conversations flow.

Any investigation of labour like sinn fein will immediately see the shutters come down as the vested interests protect each other.

That’s what people said in 1997.At the 1992 general election the Labour Party won a record 19.3% of the first preference votes. By 1997 their coalition with Fine Gael was swept out of power and the coalition led by Bertie Ahern and Mary Harney swept in. That went well, yeah?
Labour has historically always campaigned on a left platform and ruled on a right platform, while wailing that it’s none of their fault, the big boys made them do it.

The Greens were really only destroyed because they took a lot longer to pull out of government than they should have. At least the Green Party managed to bring in some environmental policies here and there. What policies have Labour managed to bring in to help the classes they claim to represent?

Look what the greens have done to the motor industry look how high motor tax is.

He realised it a long time ago, he’s been doing his best to change things. He is new enough to public representation as well. He has done lots of good work locally and will continue to no doubt. A very nice, helpful and approachable man.

It’s really simple, the larger party in terms of seats generally has more control over the others in a coalition. SF won’t go into a coalition with FG or FF because they know that as a smaller left-wing party their beliefs and goals will be swept away by the larger right-wing parties. Labour already went into a coalition with FG before and they knew that the last time they were crippled by a larger right-wing party sweeping left policies under the rug. Yet they did it again anyway.

I voted at that Labour Conference not to go into coalition (for many of the reasons you mentioned – unlike the rainbow coalition, we hadn’t the Dail maths to force an agenda), but it is wishful thinking on your part indeed to think that SF won’t go into coalition with one of the bigger parties regardless of circumstances, period. As soon as one of the larger parties pushes that button (and one of them will – possibly after the next election) and pushes to open negotiations with ye – at that point Gerry and Mary will jump at the opportunity. Why wouldn’t they – think about what you’re claiming here: by refusing coalition outright, SF could kiss any chance of actually enacting its policies goodbye.

The only situation where I can see SF refusing to enter negotiations is if ye are the second biggest party after the next elections. That was our biggest mistake – choosing coalition over leading the opposition and biding our time

Ship

Why wait this long? Labour had shown its true colours even before this governments first budget.

Local elections next year comes to mind, once re- elected he will be back to labour

He’s not a TD.

Indeed. My bad, thought he was… Ignore my ranting so!

Read the article, he’s not a td, he’s a councillor, it’s in the headline….. noy sure if councillors get a pension

Yup, my bad, I misread! Oh well….

Tom, it pays to really read the article

Indeed Bruce but it pays to read my responses where I say I misRead it and called it out as my bad! Hey we all make mistakes….

Ah calm down Tom. Apologies if you are offended.

Not offended at all! Cheers. (Calmed now!!)

most people live socialist lives except in the work place, in the more successful economies a lot of the success have been driven by socialist policies, the scandanavian countries have had many democratic socialist governments, germany has not had so much but they have socialism in the workplace instead, both germany and japan have many socialist elements in their constitutions like a bill of workers rights for example, many socialist companies are also highly successful, co-ops are the way forward, if we applied the same ethos in work that most of us lived by we would have very little need of central government at all

Very true. It’s always the left that’s incapable of holding it together in Government…full of fervour & noble intent- absolutely lacking the discipline to make things happen. Labour. The ULA, the Socialist parties….they’re all the same. And they wonder why the electorate stays predominantly centre-right.

More a case that every time the left goes into government with a right-wing partner, their agenda gets knocked around the place and then they get the same treatment from the electorate post-government. I had hoped Labour learned its lesson here, but alas