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Mayo TD defends proposal for ‘national service’ for young people

FG's Michelle Mulherin is one of four TDs representing her party in Mayo.
FG's Michelle Mulherin is one of four TDs representing her party in Mayo.
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FINE GAEL TD Michelle Mulherin has defended her proposals for a national service programme for Ireland’s young people – insisting that her plan is not a gateway to military conscription.

Mulherin’s plans, aired at a Fine Gael parliamentary party meeting during the week and first discussed in yesterday’s Sunday Independent, had reportedly included cuts to unemployment payments for young people who did not fulfil the service.

This morning, on the Today with Pat Kenny programme, Mulherin insisted that the plan was not a right-wing attempt to keep lesser-well off people busy – and asserted that her plans were positively motivated.

“There are a lot of young people with whom I have spoken – and also their parents – who are really distraught that they have nothing to do with their time,” the Mayo TD explained.

The scheme she was advocating would therefore “offer possibilities in relation to people who are unemployed” – though it would also be available to people who are not unemployed.

“Young people, between second level and a certain age, would do work in the service of their country.

“The sort of thing that people might get involved in might be in the auspices of the Reserve Defence Force… maybe the Air Corps, the Navy, or community or voluntary work for men and women.”

The plans would be a way of formalising the notion of active citizenship, Mulherin further claimed. “It’s like a gap year, and it’ll give young people a bit of space” to decide their actual career hopes.

The scheme, as currently imagined, would be available between second and third-level education, but would also “potentially allow people to finish college first” – meaning those who found work directly after college could be able to bypass the system.

The plan has been criticised by some commentators as being tantamount to a work-for-welfare system, while others believed it unfair that people unable to get into college or to find work would be targeted by the scheme while those who found work would not have to observe it.

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  • James Pelow 13/06/11 #
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    I like the idea of national military service like they have in many other European countries, I find the bit about voluntary and community work a bit worrying though.

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    • Stephen Carmody 13/06/11 #
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      I think the reason that is included is to make sure there is a scheme available to everyone including those that object to the military. Even if we are only involved in peacekeeping missions there is either and EU or UN directive that states conscientious objectors may be excused from any mandatory national service in the military.

      The backlash from this is a bit extreme, it is an idea. The merits of the idea should be debated not the standing of the TD or the hidden agenda of Fine Gael.

  • John 13/06/11 #
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    It’ll keep them off the streets and out of trouble. Some might even learn a little self respect. Uniforms not tracksuits!

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    • Og Ok 13/06/11 #
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      It is not the job of the government to teach self respect. Self respect is gained by living a life surrounded by supportive people a life free from bullying or discrimination. “uniforms not tracksuits” you make it sound like a change of clothes could change someones life. if this is the case we should make it “suits for prison clothes” as we have a unemployment problem because of greedy banking cartels so lets look at the world honestly the problem is not the lads and girls that are born in the wrong area and wear the “tracksuits” but the college kids who will continue to support the crooks in banking, government, law. If you try and change the establishment from within it is not the establishment that changes, but you.

    • Mark Dennehy 13/06/11 #
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      Don’t have much against uniforms. Many of my friends and family wear one kind of uniform or another.

      Thing is, the people who need to learn self-respect aren’t wearing tracksuits, they’re just wearing suits and thanks to them, those wearing tracksuits don’t have jobs to go to anymore….

  • Paul Kennedy 13/06/11 #
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    Young people? Was just young men the first time I heard about it. Nice to see she’s decided to be a little bit more inclusive in her insanity.

    The country will always have its deadbeats, national service or no. The high unemployment rate is because of a lack of jobs. Micheal Taft summed that up perfectly here when the OECD came out asking for payments to be cut: http://notesonthefront.typepad.com/politicaleconomy/2011/05/the-oecd-goes-to-clown-college.html

    Anyway, what the hell would a national service do? Are we planning any wars? Norway has plenty of oil, are we going to invade them and try our hand at a new economic backbone?
    All you’d have would be a national army of street cleaners and sandbag layers. So, let’s not just cut payments to people who can’t find jobs that aren’t there, let’s demoralise them into doing free labour that should be done by a PAYING public service, or private companies.

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  • Og Ok 13/06/11 #
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    Had a great idea to stop unemployment….. everybody’s working week be brought down to 3 days a week the other two days must be filled by hiring this means everyone would have 4 days to stay at home with family and friends and enjoy there life. live to work or work to live. I think this TD is on the side that we live to work better keep the young busy with army training this sounds like European union talk to me not that of a young TD from Mayo….

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  • Mark Dennehy 13/06/11 #
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    BTW, if we did bring in national service, and all these “young people” are out there cleaning streets and tidying flower beds and helping out in hospitals and acting as volunteer firemen…
    …what do the people whose jobs they will be doing get as a severance package?

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    Is this just a scheme so ‘young people’ wont have time to think how much they are being screwed and distract them from getting notions above their station, like protesting the way the Greeks and Spanish are? There are lots of alternatives to keeping peoples minds active without resorting to threats of social welfare cuts. As for the boredom I cant imagine polishing boots and marching like a robot will stimulate the minds of the future. Fine Gael are a loose cannon at this stage, pun intended.

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  • Ian Coffey 13/06/11 #
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    Jasus, an easy way to earn a pension!

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  • Daire Friel 13/06/11 #
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    I like this woman and i like her idea. I think it would be a good idea to teach respect and disipline to young people. As well as that it would mean that the got some physcial exersize. I dont think it need be militry service but maybe social service. Trying to clean up the streets on a Saturday or Sunday morning after they have been wreaked by there friend the night before. Maybe helping the elderly or infirm. It would do no harm to have people giving a bit back every now and then

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    • Lisa Saputo 13/06/11 #
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      I am sorry Daire but I know many young people who volunteer already, where I work there are dozens of volunteers both part and full time involved in all sorts of projects so I find your comments totally ignorant of what the youth contribute to society already. By your accounts everyone on the dole is a work shy criminal who contributes nothing and thats very much not the case.

    • Jeroen Bos 13/06/11 #
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      And I would suggest a compulsory service for those that still can’t spell

    • Darragh Collins 14/06/11 #
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      @ Lisa; how did you come up with those comments from what the poster said?!!

    • Daire Friel 14/06/11 #
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      Lisa I never mentioned the Dole. I also know dozens of young people who contribute to society but unfortunately that leaves my point intact as there are thousands who don’t.

      In regards to the Dole my only problem with it is that there is no incentive to work anymore. It is more beneficial to sit at home on the dole than to work in a basic pay job that is not right or sustainable. The argument that the Dole barely brings people above the poverty line is horses**t too. Look at any high unemployment areas and see how many Sky Dishes there are. I can’t afford to have it and I work 50Hrs+ per week.

    • Lisa Saputo 15/06/11 #
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      But those people were around during the boom? Why weren’t they dealt with then? Mulherin suggestion that young unemployed people should do military work for their dole is basically attacking a group of people who had nothing to do with current fiscal situation. How about getting one of the many developers who destroyed this country to pick up rubbish on a Saturday afternoon? They are the real villains here but of course people like yourself are all too ready to forget that when there is someone more vulnerable than you to blame. And Daire you are lucky to have 50 hours a week to work. I work full time for 0 so don’t tell me I am luckier than you.

  • Niall Carson 13/06/11 #
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    This is Hilarious. Well people cant sat they didn’t know who they where voting for

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  • Johnny Campbell 13/06/11 #
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    This is crazy… there is a strange but very scary ideoligy in FG and the EU.We are a neutral country and these people are showing all the signs of what the NO camp in the Lisbon treaty 1 and 2.We have been fooled keep the eyes open people. Why dont politicans spend some time in the military to show there willing to serve the country not just themselves and there cronies..

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  • Lisa Saputo 13/06/11 #
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    Mulherin made some pretty silly comments about national service but what annoyed me the most was what she said about the culture of entitlement among people on benefits in Ireland. While this may be evident in some small sectors of society it is not endemic as she suggests, we had practically full employment in Ireland at some stage with 3.5% unemployment which suggests to me that the majority of the 14% on the live register now aren’t work shy. In fact I think many of them would jump at the chance of work. Telling people that they will have their benefits cut if they refuse work is one thing but if there is no work its pointless even thinking about it.

    If this government want to last much longer they will have to come up with more effective ideas to create jobs than national service and volunteering, all this internship stuff just seems like there is no way they can create more than a few hundred jobs. As someone who is involved in a WPP scheme, it is worrying that this may be my only option other then emigration and thats something I really don’t want to do.

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  • Jay 13/06/11 #
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    Idea might be more properly adapted as a sort of boot camp system for young offenders not as punishment but as drilling. Getting aggression out of system through PE and maybe giving them basics of a good trade. Might be worth considering then.

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  • Julia Smith 14/06/11 #
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    I think we should start with a spelling and grammar boot camp for some of the people posting comments on thejournal.ie. We could start with the basic usage of…Their, there and they’re.
    Some of the comments on this article show such a complete lack of understanding of society. Ah sure teach them some respect, that will sort them out. Never mind the drug problems and lack of education and opportunity.

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  • Martina Ni Githan 14/06/11 #
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    if our education system actually catered for all and not just the academics it might stomp out leaving school with out knowing how to read and write, how many kids slip through the cracks and get no help and how many schools are losing special needs assistance, Some people i know have barely any reading or writing skills and usually they come to me to help them fill in forms Irish whatever and they are genuinely scared because they can’t read or write and feel ashamed and they need to feel there able to do something and need the confidence and tbh on the dead beat dads there are lots in their 30′s and 40′s their not kids you know!

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  • Joan Featherstone 14/06/11 #
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    What Fu..ing planet is she on, all we need are jobs! Only a very very small minority of people on the dole don’t want a job. My husband was on the dole for five months and eventually went to middle east to work for a year (thankfully he has a job here now), no way did he want to do nothing, but there are no jobs. He was lucky that he could relocate but the family was apart.

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  • Graham Crosbie 14/06/11 #
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    we have 8000 service men and women in ireland already getting paid for doing nothing what plant is this stupid woman on typical fine gael more shit talk god i hat them

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  • Report this comment

    Had to laugh at finegael and rte’s little psyops ‘psychological operations’ piece.On the ‘news’ a pumped up ‘report’ on naval wargames and aircorps sexyness was shown. Mmmmmm……i wonder what this is all about ? The report is on the rte news website ….here is a little background to psyops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXg70qJQ6O0

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  • Chris Boyd 16/06/11 #
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    I suggest any racist idiots that think that immigrants come to Ireland to “milk” the system should be immediately stripped of their Irish citizenship and made to suffer the work permit and Garda Immigration system.

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