Cool I will be over to your place in the morning with 5 patriot missiles. Have the yea ready

Its funny that you call them extremists when the IRA would have been called terrorists/extremists by the English too when they were fighting for our freedom. They’re doing the same. Perhaps they should just withdraw from those places? Seems like the cheaper option to me too.

The IRA were terrorists, though.

@Paul
One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. They see terrorism as a way of getting England to leave their country alone. Just like how we did.

the only scary part about this is that 6 people gave Robert Kelly’s posts the thumbs up…kinds of illustrates why the security measures are needed

@Madeline
Are you saying that anybody who gave me a thumbs up is a potential terrorist? As in they want to commit terrorism? I mean that’s what you just said…

@ robert.
No I’m saying that anyone who gave you a thumbs up is not CONDEMNING terrorism..which is something to be ashamed of

@Madeline
Thumbs up means you either like or agree with someones post. For a thumbs up to mean they’re not condemning terrorism it means that you think I must be not. So you know I’m against all acts of violence except in legitimate self defense. Please stop putting words in my mouth and/or the people who gave me thumbs up. You’re making huge assumptions about people who you don’t know

Hey Robert, I think I get the point you’re making. Their label of terrorist is a matter of opinion….’one man’s terrorist is another’s revolutionary’
Regardless killing innocent civilians in the name of Allah, Washington, Oglaigh na hEireann, etc, etc, etc, is all kinds of wrong. But in order to stop it, we need to understand it.

One man’s terrorist may be another man’s freedom fighter. But it’s still using terror and violence to achieve an aim. Stop making excuses for atrocities. It’s sickening.

@Glodie
Yep, that’s my point. People don’t seem to understand that though. I am of course against all violence but more violence won’t solve it.

@Paul
Stop putting words in my mouth please. I am not making excuses, only pointing to why it happens. It’s like saying I’m sick for pointing out a person kills x for motive y…

To differentiate between the IRA and al Qaeda… Al Qaeda strap bombs to people and send them into a crowded place full of civilians and blow them up without warning every time they carry out an attack, the IRA nearly always attacked commercial or government buildings and gave coded warnings for the attacks majority of the time. Al Qaeda hate us right to the core and want to exterminate us because of our infidelity, the IRA had aims and objectives to their attacks that were based on an occupation by a foreign power in their country. When the Japs were in invading china, the states went to war with them to stop an occupation, they dropped a nuclear bomb in Japan without warning killing hundreds of thousands of people, the states are still the biggest warmongers in the world killing thousands of people every year in the name of freedom, and we call them heroes!

You cite the bomb as testament to the unsurpassed warmongering of the USA.
You seem happy to ignore the Japanese, who brought USA into the war with the attack on Pearl harbour in the first place. The Japanese also subscribed to the belief that they had the moral authority to subjugate all their Asian neighbours, by virtue of their inherent genetic and cultural superiority. They executed 200,000 – 300,000 Chinese during the rape of Nanking in the Sino Japanese war, which incidentally, they also initiated. Civilian and PoWs were killed over a six-week period in an apalling example of systemic brutality and deliberate crulety, the likes of which the USA has never perpetrated. (The press in Japan ran a competition between two officers to see which of them had the highest tally of beheadings.)
The USA dropped the bomb only after the Potsdam declaration, threatening Japan with “prompt and utter destruction” which, of course was ignored. The alternative (and original) plan to the bomb was to invade Japan. Operation Downfall was slated to begin October 1945 and expected to take approximately 18 months to complete, continuing the war well into 1947.

Do I believe that the nuclear attack on Japan was justified?
No
I’m just sick of the old “Americans are the biggest warmongers in the world” crap.

@jimbrady of course the nuclear bomb was justified. The US army estimated that up to a quarter of a million Japanese soldiers, 2 million civilians and up to a100,000 American soldiers would have died in a full scale invasion of the mainland.

Solution: drop 2 bombs the only kill 125,000, thus, saving 2.2 million lives and sparing a people the misery of an occupation.

@Graham
I’ve said this to people on this thread but that’s the trolley problem reasoning. If I were to rephrase the scenario like this would answer the same. Imagine you’re on a bridge with a railroad track beneath you. Its on a slope and at the end are 5 people. There’s a trolley coming down it and the 5 people at the end will be killed if you do nothing. The only way to stop this trolley is to push a fat person off the bridge onto the tracks (who’s rather conveniently standing beside you but also completely innocent). So, do you push him? Your comment above hints that you would.

I might have been a bit rash with my comment…I agree that if something did happen, people like me would be the first affected and therefore complain that we were not adequately protected by the authorities. It would have nice to have been properly informed of all this though, I certainly never received a leaflet in the post and the first I heard about all of this was on this website. How are they going to test these things?! I have lots of questions and concerns about security during the Olympics, I certainly don’t know where to get information regarding security measures. To be quite honest, I’m sick of all this Olympic bollocks at this stage…costing the city way too much money to host. It has done good work in Tower Hamlets, officially one of the poorest boroughs in the UK. It is still draining so much finance and the planning has become increasingly erratic and shown that the city’s services are struggling to cope with the increased demand once the summer comes. I’m not alone in thinking this too, most Londoners are leaving for it. I don’t have the option because of my work so heres hoping for the best!!

They wouldn’t be carrying these batteries up to the roof in their pockets,at the very least there will be huge cranes involved if not helicopters, followed by Boris having his photo taken next to them before the keys to turn the things on are left in a briefcase on a tube train.

@Mark, I highly doubt cranes will be needed. I imagine the missiles they speak of would be fired from a shoulder mounted thinga ma jig. Out of curiosity in your opinion had there been missiles on the roof of buildings prior to 9/11 how would that have altered things that day?

What we need to be talking about is terrorism. The fact that certain types of people justify the indiscriminate murder of civilians . The placement of missile launchers would not have to take place if it were not for the behaviour of these mentally deficient, psychopathic hate filled moral cripples.
There is no excuse or justification for it. Ever.

Self-defence is not a provocation.

Madeleine if some other powerful country invaded Ireland to take control of its natural resources and killed your family I bet you wouldn’t be saying that, oh wait isn’t that what the British did to us…

It was sad he got shot, he did over stay his visa. it would not have happened otherwise.

apart from racism against the British how is that relevant.

Racism against the British, jesus christ, you do realise this man was shot probably on the basis of the colour of his skin?

Jesus Madaline do you have a chip on your shoulder or what!! How is that in any way racist!! I’m from England and remember how revolted I felt at the time, those armed police officers should have stood trial for murder!

Yes, Seán. Also RIP Jesse Owens, a fine Olympic athlete.

Given we’re making statements that have nothing to do with the article.

Flashpoint, He wasn’t shot because of thr colour of his skin at all. Read the facts.
Joseph I agree that the police officers should have been charged. But why mention him on this thread for any other reason..and Sean has made anti-British racist comments before.

Mad-line,

You are glossing over the indiscriminate murder or a civilian at the hands of the British security services. If anyone is racist its you.

There is no such thing as anti-British racism on these comments, just another word you’ve made up based on your intimate following of tabloid catchphrases.

You are extremely narrowminded and cut off from whats going on in the world. While not justifying assymetric actions against the British homeland, you’d do well to question why such people would want to attack Britain. Could it be that Britain is doing something wrong? Nooo!

I dunno about that Madeleine I’ve only ever seen him advocate bad driving and a poor English football team ;)! This comment however isn’t racist on any level and it does have a shred of relavance if you consider that id we can’t trust them with handguns how on earth can we trust them with missiles in such a densely populated area!!

Facepalm.

I do like your comments jimbo… Always funny… What dirty rotting scoundrel gave u a red thumbs down???? Someone obviously got a grudge on you… Gluck

Jimbo
Yup. I like your comments too.
But just maybe .. Deploying missiles is a new discipline in modern day olympics.
Lets see who is awarded the gold medal.

So long as I can push the button……boom……dead terrorist

hey look at that …. 3 people disliked my comment….they are terrorists, UK MI5 will be tracking them now

True, “blow-back” is what I’ve heard it called.

Robert you are on a mission and im bored with your comments now, occupation and religion has alot to blame for terrorism as you know, the north of ireland the main problem is religion, and the majority are protestant and want to be part of the UK, that is ok if that is what they want. Some recent surveys also say 54% of catholics in the north want to remain part of the UK.

@Mark
I’m simply trying to defend my view point. At least I’ve convinced you to say that occupation causes it ;) As for northern Ireland, I really don’t think it’s down to religion (at least not entirely). Again if that were the case then EVERYWHERE would be fighting over religion.

You never convinced me that occupation was a reason for terrorism, i agreed it was part of the problem but if you read my comments again you will see i believe religion is the main problem in the world for terrorism, and that is a fact, you can google it. As for Northern Ireland it is down to religion. Its a catholic – protestant fight, just like the battle of the boyne, its in our history……….. Dublin has almost every religion in the world living in one city as does almost every capital city.

@Mark
Yeah sorry that’s what I meant. Going from fully blaming religion to not is progress in my books :) As for Googling it, don’t worry I’ve looked into this a lot. I’ve read most of Sam Harris’ books and he does a lot of work on this. I agree that some people do crazy things for religion, but why don’t we do crazy things for religion? Like Dublin is not constantly on fire, even with many many religions living in a small area like here we don’t attack each other like over there. That’s because there is a difference over there, the difference being the occupational aspect.

Well, given the choice between a fully packed-out stadium and a rural area on the outskirts of London, which would you pick?

@Paul
That’s similar to the ethics dilemma of a cart on a hill. I think your response is quite utilitarian and rather bad. That kind of thinking has some disastrous consequences. Link: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem

the packed Olympic stadium and a part of outer London may have the same amount of people.

I know it’s similar to the cart on the hill. And I’d still take it down.

Leslie, if you think that hitting a stadium with 100,000 people inside could do the same damage as hitting a hamlet on the outskirts of the city with four sheep and a pub, then you clearly don’t understand much about physics.

@Paul
The same reasoning was behind the dropping of nuclear bombs on Japan. It’s the “ends justifies the means” reasoning and is quite dangerous.

I’m sorry, but how is this scenario anything REMOTELY like the decision to drop the atomic bomb?

@Mark
Ends: Ending the second world war with Japan.
Means: Dropping a nuclear bomb on Japan thus ending the war.
Therefore: The ends justifies the means.
I said your reasoning leads to cases in history. See?

@Robert, you are some man to use a shovel.

@Robert
Far better to do nothing and allow the attack to proceed towards its intended target of a packed stadium??

In your own words, that kind of thinking has some disastrous consequences…

@Mattoid
Please read what I say. I am for solving the reason they are in danger. Sure have defenses, thats all fine. But don’t continue to breed terrorism in other countries by occupying them. It’s silly.

I did read what you said – that’s why I responded the way I did…

Dead right, Anne. Sure what do the defence forces know anyway?

Not really, if NORAD wasn’t on a hijacking training exercise during the 9/11 terrorist attacks you can be guaranteed at least some of the aircraft involved would have been shot down by interceptors or ground based air defence systems. This is a perfectly reasonable security measure, I for one would rather hear about a hijacked airplane shot down over a hijacked aircraft crashing into a fully crowded stadium.

@Paul
They know how to dress up as Iraqis and kill them in fake terrorist attacks. Yeah, they’re the good guys…

@robert
exactly what are you basing that statement on?

@Mattoid
I’m glad you asked. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basra_prison_incident

I’m certainly not going to try and justify the incident you’re referring to, but to decribe it as a deliberate “fake terrorist attack” is stretching the imagination to the limit!

Have you ever considered that the reason why nothing happens is because of positive actions like this?

Such prescience. Ever thought of writing a daily horoscope?

@Nucky
Ever wonder why they need to take positive action? The best action they can do is to stop pissing them off

Better to be safe than sorry, what if something did happen and nothing was in place to stop it. What would your comment be then? The complete opposite.

@Mark
No, I have a set of principles I follow. I’m not saying no defenses are needed, I’m saying the best defense is to mind your own bloody business. They can’t seem to do that and as long as they don’t, terrorism will always be a threat. Terrorism doesn’t just happen, its a response to something and that something is occupation. If you get cancer from smoking, sure get radiation therapy but don’t continue to smoke and expect not to get cancer…

reading posts by some of the bigots on this thread that’s clearly not a prediction anyone can safely make

@Madeline
I haven’t read any bigoted comments on this thread? Who are you referring to?

Yes so they should abandon all ther security measures and if there is a bomb or a terrorist atrocity they should be excused because somebody on a website guaranteed it wouldn’t happen

@robertkelly
perhaps the reason they feel the need to take action is because of posts by people like you

@ robert
you

@Madeline
You didn’t answer my question about bigots. Who are you referring to? I’d like you to actually read my comment before trying yo argue with me. You are attacking a straw man. I never said anything of the sort I simply pointed out what I and many experts believe as the cause of the attacks. The solution is rather simple and that’s withdrawal.

@Madeline
I’m stating to think that being trolled by you. The English government is doing what my analogy is saying. That is, they’re taking the treatment but still taking part in the cause. If you can’t see that then I’m afraid we can’t argue.

I’m being trolled *

Robert,
don’t resort to the troll card to try and weasel out of the fact that you’re a racist and you’re making excuses for terrorist action

@ Robert terrorism doesn’t just come from occupation it comes from religion as you know, if it is sunni muslims against shias or catholics against protestants, that’s were the evil comes in.

@Madeline
What are you talking about?… Who are I being racist to? That’s a completely unfounded statement. I’m engaging with you, you’re the one being a coward, not backing up anything you say.

Robert, your posts suggest that you believe British civilians deserve to be targeted by terrorists because of the actions of their government..the people giving you thumbs up agree with that.

@Mark
I don’t think terrorism is solely a religious act. If you look at the Egypt, there the Muslims protected Christians so they could pray. Why isn’t America subject to constant internal terrorist attacks with the different Christian denominations? Its similar to the Muslim divide. Same could be said about England, why aren’t the Catholics and Protestants killing each other everyday? I do agree that it is one of the causes, but not the sole cause. To think so is to be a bit short sighted.

@Madeline
No, I’m not saying that. I’m saying that’s what will happen and then the vicious cycle continues. Its a phenomenon called “blow-back” where the army or government of a country does something horrible to another country in secret. Then the other country retaliates and the people of the aggressor country see that as an act of aggression since they don’t know the original cause. The only way to stop the cycle is to withdraw. That’s what I’m saying. On a side note, I think racism is a collectivist idea and something I find extremely illogical.

@ Robert i never said terrorism is soley religious, you said that. But i can say the majority of terrorism in the world is because of religion as it is here in Ireland.

@Mark
OK, so occupation has nothing to do with it? Surely we didn’t rebel for being Catholic. Are you saying that was the main cause? It doesn’t explain the lack of terrorism around the world where there are different religions living in close proximity. People up the north didn’t fight over just religion, they fought over political differences too

Robert,
the British are not occupying Ireland. The majority of people in NI have chosen democratically to be British. They have not been part of ROI for a very long time. Most of the people who use the term occupation are “plastic paddies” with no understanding of Ireland who get their awareness of this country from other morons on St Patricks day

@Madeline
You can argue that they still are occupying the north as they never left, although I’m not here to debate that. It’s true that they elected their government but again I’m not arguing against that either. I’m saying that terrorism has a cause, and more defenses won’t solve that.

Madeline you are right, that is what the majority of the north want protestants and catholics, the english are in Ireland over 800 years. The Irish have gone different ways. Even today the irish cannot agree, the government are screwing us. Robert is one of those SF supporters wanting a United Ireland, when our country was never
United, even today in 2012……………………………………….,

@Mark
Wow… You really are stupid (sorry I have to say it now). I don’t support SF like you said. You have no idea what you;re talking about or even who. I presented a viewpoint that one of my friend’s presented before and you automatically think I advocate it when clearly the language I used implied I had no opinion. Stop making assumptions about me please… I’m not sure what you’re stating in your comment about the north.

Robert,
you CANNOT argue that NI is occupied by the BRitish. You can’t. Get your Mom to look up the GFA

@Madeline
I said I wasn’t going to argue that. As for the GFA as you call it. Just because our government says an occupation ended doesn’t mean it ever did. Now I don’t want to argue this, as that’s not my main point. My point is that terrorism has a cause and the British government aren’t dealing with the cause and until they do more terror attacks will take place. That is of course unless the British lose all their liberties first ;)

Robert, the GFA is law in NI. It offers self determination and a path to peace.There is no occupation. If you don’t recognise that then you have the mindset of a potential terrorist.

Good point. Unless they hijack a plane from somewhere where those security measures are a bit more lax and then fly it to London. But that seems rather impossible…

What? That’s like saying ‘Well, we have a police force, so why bother locking our doors at night?’

@Paul
No he’s saying if airport security works then why do we need the ability to shoot down planes? Like do they expect the systems at airports to fail around a time when it really counts or where they always flawed and then unnecessary?

@ Robert Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn. night………..

Why the assumption that they’re defending against hijacked civilian passenger aircraft?
Any would-be terrorist looking for a spectacular could load a privately owned light aircraft with explosives and fly it straight into an olympic stadium. Perhaps that’s the scenario the defence forces are considering?

@mattoid well if the security measures do work for passenger flights …. Should they not also apply to light aircraft? Are mi6/police not looking at those small airfields already to lock down that possibility?

If that was really a viable option why hasn’t it been done before?

This is all conjecture now, driven by an agenda of fear. And some of responses to this thread reflect that IMO.

@paul mc no its like saying
“dunno if the door is locked but I’ll get a bazooka in case”

No it’s not.

There are stringent security measures in place in the airports, yes, but to say they’re impenetrable beyond all doubt is just foolhardy. All systems work on the basis that there is a small chance they will fail, and when the stakes are this high, it makes absolute sense to put a backup in place.

@paul. There are many backup plans that Don’t involve putting missiles in a residential setting. I’m not suggesting that some form of security isn’t required.

Nut. Sledge.
Square peg. Round hole.

What?