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More firefighters suspended in Roscommon over training dispute

Roscommon is now without over 40 per cent of its firefighters raising concerns over the health and safety of those who remain and people in the county.

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THIRTEEN MORE FIREFIGHTERS have been suspended by Roscommon Fire Service in addition to the 14 suspended earlier this week, raising concerns about the service’s ability to operate in the county.

The suspensions come amid a dispute that centres on a breathing apparatus (BA) refresher training course which some firefighters have refused to take part in because of concerns over the way in which the course is taught and the requirements to pass it.

Having refused to attend a training course this morning, the 13 firefighters have been removed from the payroll in addition to the 14 firefighters who were suspended on Monday having also failed to attend the course.

It means that there are now around 30 firefighters across six fire stations to service the entire county leading to concerns about the health and safety of the firefighters and the general public.

A spokesperson for the Irish Firefighter and Emergency Services Association (IFESA) told TheJournal.ie this evening: “We would now be seriously concerned for the health and safety for remaining firefighters and citizens of Roscommon.”

However, Roscommon County Council has insisted that it is in a position to deal with emergencies should they arise.

“Arrangements are in place with neighbouring Fire Authorities and arrangements are also in place to mobilise the Defence Forces to provide assistance if required.

“Roscommon County Council is in ongoing contact with the Labour Relations Commission with a view to resolving the issue,” a statement said.

Concerns have been raised by firefighters that fire officers and not firefighters are delivering the BA training and that stringent conditions have been attached to participation in the refresher course which means if the firefighters fail they cannot operate.

Roscommon County Council pointed to a Labour Relations Commission document issued yesterday following a conciliation conference between the council and the trade union, SIPTU, which stated that the training and competency requirements are mandatory.

“The agreement included a requirement for members of staff who do not demonstrate a satisfactory level of competence in any aspect of the course to be referred for further training with a view to bringing their skills up to the standard required,” the council’s statement also said.

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Comments (18 Comments)

  • as working firefighters they should all be in a position to pass ? If they fail then of course they shouldn’t be operating the equipment, there must be more to this story that we dont know. something odd is going on.

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  • Senator John Kelly (Labour) said the following in session ,
    There is a serious and potentially dangerous situation unfolding in County Roscommon as we speak. Yesterday, 14 firemen were taken off the payroll of Roscommon County Council for failing to attend a breathing apparatus refresher course. Every year they attend this course but there is a national proposal that the course would be done on the basis of a pass or fail mechanism although this has not been agreed nationally. By Wednesday, another tranche from Roscommon County Council will not attend the course until it is agreed nationally. It will also be taken off the payroll and we will not have sufficient cover in the event of an emergency.
    The county council responded today in The Irish Times by saying it would like to reassure the public that despite the reduced numbers each fire brigade in the county is fully operational. That statement is ludicrous because six firemen are needed to mobilise a fire brigade. Most of the units in Roscommon will have five or fewer. It also admits that the case is before the Labour Relations Commission, yet it is trying to force the hand of the firemen by using heavy-handed and bullying tactics.
    I gather the problem has been created by the ego of one man whom everybody knows and seems to be trying to settle scores. I cannot for the life of me understand how anybody could decide to shut down a fire department in a county. In most cases right across the country chief officers and assistant chief officers of the fire department have no practical training or experience at putting out fires. They would not know how to put out a cigarette butt, let alone a fire.
    I call on the Leader to address this issue with the Minister, Deputy Hogan. The situation is quite serious and by Wednesday it could be disastrous unless it is dealt with. I would appreciate a response from the Leader.

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  • To those who harp on about being suspended if they don’t attend a training course. Are those courses in life saving skills? Is you life at risk if the course is not delivered accurately? I would think not.
    The fire fighters are right not to attend this course if they feel it is not up to standard. After all it is them who have to enter a burning building.
    When your plucked from a cowering position under your bed by a fire fighter wearing BA gear, you’ll be damn glad he had got the proper training to use it.
    I am not a fire fighter but I have worked alongside them and they are extremely competent and professional when carrying put their duties.

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    • This training documents continue to teach Breathing Apparatus skills separate to Fire Behaviour. In essence, the concept of teaching students to operate in “Real Fire”, “fire gas filled” or” hot and humid” conditions without equipping the student to change conditions, recognise nor assess the dangers, is questionable to say the least.
      Other question arises regarding students operating in Real Fire Gas Filled compartments. If students are training in these conditions, how is the environment kept safe ? Are the Instructors using hose lines to protect the students ? How do the Instructors determine if the conditions are unsafe ?
      There are elements within the document referencing correct “Door Entry” and “Correct Branch Techniques” The question here:
      How can Breathing Apparatus Instructors teach and assess the techniques if they are not Compartment Fire Behaviour Instructors?
      There is no quantitative guidance to Instructors regarding the setting of exercise conditions i.e. maximum heat or temperature monitoring
      The inclusion of hose management, branch techniques and door entry procedures are welcome inclusions to Breathing Apparatus Training. If additional skills are added to the course however, Instructor competency must be reflected in such provision. The duration of the course remains the same, what compromises have been made to include the extra training in the same time frame ?
      Should firefighters be subjected to “real” fire gases, significant risk control measures must be implemented by Instructional staff.
      Breathing Apparatus Instructors are not competent to teach or assess Fire Behaviour Skill- sets.
      It would appear that the guidance provided for the delivery of Breathing Apparatus training is moving forward in a positive manner regarding competency based training. However, the move towards integrating BA and Fire Behaviour skills has not been thought out and the “half way” approach recommended by this document falls short of what’s required. There are clear omissions in this document with regard to exercise design and risk assessment.

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  • I don’t understand why they don’t take the course which I assume is so that they can use safer and more modern equipment?

    If I refused to take a training course in my work I would likewise be suspended.

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  • I applaud the suspended firefighters for being so brave and standing up against such arrogant “empire builders”!

    You are in a life saving role and deserve only the best training and the best equipment and no one should put you in a position which may compromise both your own life but the lives of those you are there to protect!

    Good luck to the 27 of you!

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  • If and when the course has been set up correctly I am sure then that R.C.C. Will appreciate that by suspending and sacking their Fire Fighters was incorrect action . And as for having adequate cover for Roscommon emergencies from neighbours Counties my God that is a joke (sick)

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  • I take offence the the innuendo behind your comment
    These Fire Fighters witness horrific scenes of House fires car crashes they are called out in floods I do not think That you and most people could or would be able to do the fire fighters job as professionally with compassion and loyalty. Name calling is not appropriate

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  • I agree they were right to be suspended. If I refused to do a training course in my work I would find myself in the same boat. I do not understand why they can’t complete the course and then bring up there issues with the powers that be afterwards. Those accountable think the course is suitable so I don’t see why it can’t be taken.

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    • Fire Fighters are a dedicated professional and loyal People they have no problem doing the course and never have but when the course has not been completed and passed for the equipment that the Fire Fighters do the course and possibly end up in the high court for negligence It is the pen pushers that have insisted they do the half wit course and then sacked and suspended these people that should be brought to task and maybe his/her job on the line
      We expect top class Fire Fighters and when they stand up and will not be bullied into doing what would result in disaster either an unnecessary death to the public or to staff then I am 100% Behind them for taking the stand they have

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  • Stephen you prat

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  • Course not coarse

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