Do you really think Susie you’ll told that.

@ All

Remember! PEOPLE IS POWER!!!!!!!!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE ! The Government should know not to
screw around with the electorate. Just shows how disinterested they all really are towards the ordinary person on the street. If they even thought about, which none of them did, they should realise that we’re all trying to walk on eggshells with our lives, with our children’s lives.

Whether Hogan likes it or not, he is going to have to put his hands up and accept defeat on Saturday! If the gombeen had just thought about it he should have known not to jerk our chains, especially when he’s assuming we’re voting “yes” in May! Aw well, he can resign on a nice ex-Ministerial income. Bye bye Mr. Hogan! ………….. Now….. who’s next for the chop! :)

Brilliant attitude Sheila. Fair play to ya ;)

Norman
No we are not going to be told that . I don’t think they are being very truthful about the numbers .

@Ryan

Thanks! It’s the only attitude these people seem to understand. Sitting down and talking obviously is not in their curriculum.

In the future, which would be in the next few weeks, I think a Minister from each Government Department should meet with 1/2 representatives from a community, from Leinster, Munster and Connaught. Listen to them and work out what new tax would work for the majority of the electorate. I know some will think I’m living in Narnia, but I for one have always paid my way. I have no problem with that but the community/electorate must be involved more and I don’t mean the local TD/councilor.

not quite, i heard 27% have paid or registered so far, if 60% dont pay it will be an amazing example of non-confrontational protest, fair play to everyone who hasn’t and wont pay, i would pay too if the government took a decent hit in their salaries

And to continue what happened in the UK afterwards.

Hold strong. We are doing fantastic that last few days will be hard but we must hold strong!! Together we can have one bold untied voice that they must listen to. Well done to all who have stood by the non payment so far and any one who might just hold off for a short while longer, we can do this but we have to show solidarity and strong will. Viva Ireland :D

Sorry for the typos (iPhone predictive text & fast fingers) :D

And the world are watching us with great respect also fir at ling last raking a stand to all the unjust austerity measures that OUR OWN GOVERNMENT are throwing at us to IMPRESS France and Germany SO PEOPLE STAND TOGETHER BE STRONG DO NOT REGISTER DO NOT PAY
POWER TO THE STRONG PEOPLE OF IRELAND as the song goes We shall not be moved

There is no reason to pay..we are made to believe the tax that we pay goes towards the council,community etc etc so why pay for something thats already there…

Great going. I can smell blood in the water now…

Well done Kevin,

Good man urself and if ur around in the afternoon come to the march…fg ard fheis, anglo payout and hhc…triple whammy.

http://youtu.be/NACGXS74BFc

your sentiments about fixing the state are sound but i strongly disagree that 1 million people cant be wrong, in this case i agree they arent wrong but how many people voted for fg,ff and labour in the last election? i would say over a million were wrong then

Sure would it not be handier to ship the few we don’t want off somewhere else and we could all stay where we are. Collect 99% tax from them on the way out and we’d clear our debt in no time!!

Amen, brother!

The words of Minister Phil Hogan himself, when he was asked in 2009 to take a 10% pay cut on his estimated €200,000 salary & expenses. Quote: “My personal circumstances don’t allow that at the moment.” Well Minister Hogan either dose mine.
Hold the line people.

Phil was put under pressure by Matt Cooper earlier this evening. I’m glad I didn’t pay. As I said before – if 1.2 million households don’t pay, that’s a hell of a lot of voting power no political party is going to ignore. Power in numbers.

Yes. That damn USC.

Good woman Ann, this is the true Irish spirt showing through, I commend you for showing your support :)

Ann I just want to say this now…the more I read from you, the more I love you. (not in a weird stalker way) ;)

Ann

Good woman! My question earlier was, I would love to know where these leaflets and the Irish version of the booklet printed. I would hope it was an Irish printing company and done in the UK like before. I think it was F Fail that did it. I am sure many of them during election campaigns etc. have requested printed outside of Ireland many times.

That one million Bernadine will be one less because of me. Tomorrow I am going to the post office to get my household charge form and pay it by post.
The biggest problem the likes of Greece has is that when a tax is imposed only some of the population pay it and the remainder (usually those who just do not have the money and the very rich) do not or at least pay less than they ought to. The result is that more taxes have to be imposed and therefore the same people that always pay have to pay more. I am going to pay this tax (not because it is fair but) because it is the precursor to a fair tax on property ie a tax on wealth (the very thing the ULA, Socialists and SF say should be taxed). A wealth that, unlike money in deposit accounts, cannot get up and leave this country. Those who are outright refusing to pay any property tax (and I am not including anyone who is saying that this tax is unfair but approve and would pay a fair property tax or, indeed, those who simply cannot pay) are doing the rich in this country a favour and are increasing the eventual tax burden on the poor, the middle class and employment. For these reasons Bernadine, and in particular to decrease the overall tax burden on employment, tomorrow I will be reducing that one million you refer to.
This country has to pay for many things and that money has to come from tax or borrowing. If you do not pay this tax then someone has to pay and if we unilaterally refuse to repay our loans as a country we will not get the money through borrowing or if we do it will be at a much higher rate than we are currently paying. The government should negotiate our repayments to foreign banks but must also widen the tax base so as to tax wealth.

@Robert: the bankers are grateful for your contribution.

Robert maybe we should have refused to pay the bond holders? The only reason this tax has come in is because of the money we paid the bond holders. It’s not to improve the lot of the Irish it’s to fill the gap from what we paid to bond holders. As for your last point euro 100 flat charge is widening the tax base to tax the wealthy do you really believe that?

Jesus Robert, that comment sucked. Do you really think the tax they eventually replace this charge with will be more ‘equitable?’ it will be a lot more than a hundred euros even if the rich pay thousands it still won’t be fair. The top earners in this country managed to apparently improve their wealth by 8% during recession while the rest saw our disposable income contract by almost a quarter. This all occurred while we were being ‘obedient.’ we must finally make a stand. Those who have not yet paid must stay strong. Hold The Line!

skeolawn: the bankers will be paid (or not paid) regardless of I obeying or not obeying the tax laws of this country. The payment of the bankers depends on whatever deal the government and our negotiators succeed in doing with the IMF etc (or I guess this country just running out of liquidity – which may be your argument – in which case many more people will also not be paid). I trust (for the moment) that the government are and will do their best for the Irish electorate in regard to negotiations on funding and repayments of loans. Of course, I am watching and waiting for the outcome to this and will be submitting my opinion on the outcome in a ballot box during the next general election. Until then I will keep reminding politicians that I expect them to succeed and if they do not do a good job I may put my vote elsewhere. However, I will be keeping my powder dry for the next few years and will allow them scope at home so that they have as good a negotiating hand abroad. (PS My vote is also dependant on the delivery of money-follows-the-patient in the healthcare system and in general sensible implementation of policies – which in the case of the implementation of this household tax would not be very positive.)

Kerry Blake – my point about widening the tax base does not refer to the 100 euro charge as it now stands but on a future tax on property that is dependant on the size of that property. I expect such a tax to be much larger than 100 euro on large properties and slightly more (ie up to 300 euro) on a home that would have cost 300,000 euro in 2005. Of course the 100 euro itself does not penalise the wealthy (it does exactly the opposite). However, its facilitating of the production of a register of residential property will allow the implementation of future property taxes which will place a greater tax burden on the rich (and, by extension, obstruction of that register is benefiting the rich). Such future taxes would be payable (by definition) regardless of the householders residence and since the house can not grow legs and move country in the way that most other assets of the rich and wealthy can, it would therefore be a very sustainable tax.

Ailís McKernan – Please continue making a stand, and even though I will not be supporting your views or your protest, I will support your right to protest. However, I would suggest that not paying this tax is not the way to get a favourable outcome for yourself (unless you own a mansion) and that protesting and reminding politicians that you are part of the electorate is the way; Protest the taxes implementation and argue about its fairness – but not paying it now only puts off paying it in the future. With regard to it been more than 100 euro in the future, I do not see your point. Someone has to pay for services in this country and taxing the middle and lower earners more is not fair. A tax on property is much fairer than a tax on income. Of course those who earn more should pay more tax (and we should not have cases – as has and is still happening – where people who earn more than 100,000 pay a lower percentage than people who earn 50,000 or less etc) but also those who own property in Ireland should also pay tax. At the moment we have the crazy situation that someone earning half a million a year around the world can own a cottage in the Isle of Man where he/she pays little or no tax and claims residency and a two million euro house in the middle of Dublin (you know for parties etc) and pays zero in taxes to Irish State (other than VAT etc) but still benefits from all the services.

David, they are also introducing a tax on comment length. Do you have another 100 euros?

Thats a good one :-)

Or “you betterlistentothetroll”

Comment of the day…

Or “imanasshearmeroar”

Why on earth would I do that. People can vote Yes or No if they want to. That is why we live in a democracy. When we go to the polls on Thursday 31st May I’ll be voting Yes.

I replied to your comment but my response was posted under the wrong comment (if you want to read it just scroll down a bit). Whats his address

Amen brother, wait for those who say this isn’t true. Lawyers, politicians and the like. People are clueless abdicating their knowledge of the law to solicitors, barristers and judges. This household charge is an offer, don’t accept. End of story.

Think your 100% right on this.. I am attempting to base my decision on the legalities of contract law etc.. and I -have not come up with one good reason why it should be paid.. and no one who has paid has actually given me a supportive argument to entice me to pay it.. – fair enough people have paid etc and fair play to them.. but when I ask why – it is just accepted that “we have to”.. just like “we have to” bail out the banks, pay the bondholders, take pay cuts, yadda yadda yadda.. Dead right you are and I am settling in to a nice bit of reading of good old-fashioned law!! :)

The deadline is three days away, then we will find out exactly (deadline probably moved to save face) but non payment will incure a tiny fee I think €10 -€40. Your fear is justified given the scare tactics now well known to the likes of hogan. Please I assure you not to worry or panic. The world will still turn when 1million people refuse this unjust ‘charge’. Please read all comments and find out all the information you require before paying. Once you pay you give permission to be charged now and later at a higher cost. Take time to fully understand the position you, your mom and 1million people are in this together. Stay strong :D

I’m with you up until you mention that someone who owns a 2/3 bed semi shouldn’t have to pay the same as those living in 4/5 bedroom detached. I grew up in Ballymun, my mam and dad bought their house from Dublin Corporation. Nineteen years ago they decided to move and they were quite shocked at what they found – and it was this, the average 3 bed semi in a Dublin suburb was 90,000. My sister talked them into looking further a field and they eventually bought a 4 bed detached for 70,000 in Clane, Co. Kildare. The point I am trying to make here is that when the property tax is introduced next year you can be guartanteed that the tax will be based on square footage and not on site valuation.
My mam worked from the age of 14 and she passed away last year at the age of 65 – 3 months before she would have recieved her Old Age pension- she paid her taxes all her life and she tried her best to stay with us until she got her first payment and her free bus-pass. She never recieved 1 red cent from the government,

@Anne Reddin.. I agree with what you say.. I just used the analogy to point out the fact that the government really haven’t looked at this as one of the principles of taxation (if this is what it is) is equity.. and if this was followed it would not be a €100 blanket fee for all.. I wasn’t reflecting as such on what people earn.. – just that for example we are taxed on wages as a percentage of our wage… our car tax is based on engine size of car.. (despite hating having to pay tax) they are as such equitable.. I was just trying to point out for those calling it a tax that it cannot be one until it is apportioned correctly.. and I do not think if they do go ahead and implement a forced tax that house-size should only be looked at.. what people can afford to pay (in this climate) is more the case..

Jimbo, you are also spreading ‘shite’ with your bullyboy approach. You called me a fool on several occasions for simply obeying the laws of the land when I commented that I had paid.

There are many opinions here, let us all share our opinions without your aggressive tones.

JImbo

Why are you getting so worked up for? I was only expressing my opinion. I didnt force you or anybody else to reply to my comment. Relax!!!

Jimbo Paranoid or what!! Calm yourself down. Do you have a life beyond posting on here with your friends Reada and susie etc?

I’m with Jimbo because he has a photo of the greatest news anchor the world has ever seen. You stay classy San Diego.

Reada and Susie have more friends than you think. And for good reason.

That article is an awful ‘piss take’ on the Irish. With leprechauns, drink, and all the usual ‘Irish’ cliches!

In 1977 we replaced rates with PRSI to pay for services. Most of those services have been privatised since. Does the household charge mean the end of PRSI? I think not

Uh good idea Thomas. Areas where the highest percentage have paid should receive the most funding. Thanks for that!

Loose our jobs?? Where is that in the statute?

What are you talking about?! I’m a public sector worker & I haven’t paid. Neither have most of my colleagues. None of us can afford to but we wouldn’t even if we could.

@Sara sorry I worded that wrong I should have asked how many public sector workers have registered in fear of losing there jobs, working for the government and all.

Daffy – u can’t loose your P.S. job coz u don’t pay the charge. Simples !!

Not much to over 1millikn people it will take decades!! Don’t panic don’t pay stay strong and fair play for looking out for your moms best interest. Well done :)

Don’t know your mum’s position but tax if it holds raise to 146 if not paid within 12 months.Bringing people to court will be one of the last things they will do.They do not want to make a martyr of anyone.

Don,t worry, nobody will go to jail, there is a late payment penalty system. They are only using jail to scare people into paying.

@Norman – Oh dear my mums position! She was a special needs assistant for over 20years and went to the top of the scale salary wise, she paid out of her own pocket to go and qualify as a teacher, she eventually got a teaching job about 5 years ago.. and she is currently on way less than she was as a special needs assistant, and is rightly fucked cos she bought back her pension years for her teachers pension and is still too young to take the early retirement package so god knows where her pension will be when she eventually does retire – she did everything by the book and I am sick of watching govt departments negotiate routes out to things to suit themselves.. so I am kinda a bit pissed that she is getting screwed left right and centre!!! – it isn’t even the amount of it.. it is the principle of it and where it leads to €100 this year…what will it be next year.. :) I am quite strong on her not paying it in that I would willingly go to jail (even though I know they won’t be sending people)

@Anne all i can say is, this is more than likely the only protest your mum can engage in that the government might take notice of.Just remember there is thousands protesting aswell safety in numbers.

Anne-Marie – I will be accused on this site of threatening you, but it is not my intention. No one can predict the future but the bill associated with this charge states that the charge will be applied to the house. If there ever will be a day in court it will be years from now, until then your mum will just get reminders that she is in arrears and warnings that there are penalties and interest being applied on top of the original charge. Your mum therefore does not have to pay the charge today or tomorrow but the longer she leaves the bigger the cost of payment will be. If, in the future, your mum wants to give the house to you or one of your siblings the charge and the penalties will then have to be paid before the ownership of the house will pass. The same would apply if the house was ever to be sold to someone outside your family so I guess that answers your question too with regard to people who have moved abroad. In conclusion, for the moment not paying the charge is no big deal (it is just an unpaid bill with a clear list of penalties with respect to the length of time it is not paid) but into the future the charge will eventually have to be paid and the longer it is left the higher the penalties will be. (PS So that you are clear where I am coming from – I paid the charge today and my overall views are posted above.)

@Anthony Lynch – I certainly wouldn’t see your comment as a threat.. I wanted an opinion from anyone.. and to be fair you are the first person that has paid that has given me a reason to think more about it.. I am not happy with this household charge – not by a longshot.. because it seems that the govt just slapped it on people without planning it correctly and really looking at the whole picture and implications of their actions.. It smells more of desperation on their part than a well thought out, long term beneficial move for the country.. I am still swaying towards non -payment at the moment..as I do not believe this charge to be established equitably and I think the bullish way it has been pushed upon people is also wrong.. they are our employees in government and I think they owe us to be wholly transparent with every aspect to this and also to review it according to peoples circumstances etc… The more money the govt is taking off the people – the less money in circulation in the economy from peoples disposable incomes, this will drive the cost of doing business up and in turn raise our costs of living whilst making Ireland less and less competitive.. I am trying to look at it from every angle Robert so I really do appreciate your response… and thank you

@Robert Lynch… I apologise for calling you Anthony! – it is my friends name and I did so without even thinking!! – sorry!

Anne-Marie, I hope your friend isn’t insulted :)

Then leave out the personal attacks.

Well said Steve

well said. in every interview the ministers are giving they mention the fact that every other country has a household charge but (to the best of my knowledge) every other or most other european countries dont pay stamp duty?! invalidated argument!!!!

Also, the argument reminds me of a six year old arguing that they should be allowed to stay up past their bedtime because little Johnny down the road is allowed to, so there.

What’s the money going to be spent on, and why is that a good thing for Irish taxpayers?

The claims on the “final notice” they sent are blatant lies.

What the hell has having your trial in Irish got to do with not paying the household charge???

wake up u shortsighted fool, this is about EVERY household sticking together & not paying the charge, not just the Irish householder!!!

Mr. Mills Learn the law of this country Im going to have my court case in Irish if it gets that far you Idiot fool, So behave yourself.

Like I said, you are the quintessential bully who does not have the itellectual stamina to have a reasoned discussion about any topic.

If you don’t want to pay then knock yourself out however to call those who do want to pay ‘cowards’ is pathetic.

I have family who are public servants and due to the nature of their role if they get a court conviction they lose their job, hence they cannot risk not paying the charge, hence they are making a rational choice to ensure their families have food, far from being cowardly they are making the hard decisions

Cowardice can always be rationalised. That’s the nature of cowardice.

@vocaoutrage so if they get caught speeding and are taken too court they lose their job, or if they don’t pay a utility bill and are taken to court they lose their job? I somehow doubt it. same principle applies too hhc. If they get a criminal conviction they lose their job…thats the difference.

I have the same right to pay as you have the right not to pay. You (and others) appear to see those who have paid as threats to the ‘don’t pay’ campaign which is wrong. I can do what I like so please focus on yourself and not attack those who have a different opinion to you.

Nope, just threats to the gene pool.

jerry,
bleedin stalker!
sure i get nosey on the odd occasion
and have a goo at someones profile,
but you!
checked everyone out.
my my, we are a busy little bee.

so, 80%, eh?
Start puttin names to those figures jerry me lad,
ya know, demonstrate those balls of yours
or do be quiet

Come again? I don’t get the alligence bit. For me anyway, (I don’t like to presume 80% of anything) don’t hold any political party alligence. And what’s this politics.ie? A shameless plug to a website where you are king!? What’s any of this got to do with the €100 ‘charge’.

@Jerry first of all everyone has to register, after that they get a waiver if entitled to one.Second don’t you know profiling is wrong plus i think 80% of what you said is BS.

Mr Slattery or may I call you Jerry,
Stay in your delusional little rut, we are not all extreme right or left wing followers, just plain people of Ireland that see an injustice happening.

As stated above Jerry, I have the privilege of living in a Council flat in Dublins inner city and I am exempt from paying this “CHARGE” (its not a tax). However I will be out marching on Saturday in solidarity with those that are being ordered to pay aswell as for my dad who is a pensioner and for my mother who, if she was still on this earth, would under no circumstances have paid this charge. As for my political leanings – I am proud to say that I have NEVER given either Fine Gael or Labour a single vote. In my younger years I voted FF but then I got older and wiser and I was not responsible for their last 3 outings. My votes go to independents who I see working to make a difference in my community.

Well done jerry. Think you touched a nerve there!!!!!

I am none of the above…ula, sf ect, and I won’t be paying. Nor will the majority of my friends and they are not supporters of any particular party either. If, however, you are in a govt party then the inability to see that this is civil disobedience across all sectors of society is going to bite you severely on the butt come sat.

Broken record

Good government???
If this is a good government,
then you are totally correct,
it is a sad situation for Ireland

@David the people of this country have been walked on by politicians from all parties and i mean all.This is an incredible unfair only homeowners struggling or otherwise is expected to pay.I have friends who live in council housing with a better income than my family but they are not required topay.Care to explain the reasoning behind this.Finally wether you like it or hundreds and thousands of your fellow citizens have decided enough is enough they cannot give any more.

Meant to say “incredible unfair tax”

@David sorry but nearly one million house buyers seem to disagree

@ David,

Over 1 million people are not wrong. A percentage of people who have, which I assume is you, have paid because you believe this to be true, that your EUR100 is going to local services etc. We all know it’s not! The other percentage are both old and young Irish people who have been terrorized by Mr. Hogan and his adds for the past few weeks and because they may not be strong a human been as myself and others on this thread, they’ve paid also. This money has been promised by Hogan to the EU and has promised more to them from us before the end of the year.

We all have our opinion on it David, so don’t keep telling us that we are wrong and you are right. This should be stopped now. Thought out properly and and show a bit of dam respect to the electorate, we deserve it.

@David
“We were so use to FF governments giving the electorate everything they wanted that it is almost impossible to govern now.”
In this country we elect representitives not Juntas the job of goverment is to implement the will of the people. In other words to do what the Electorate wants. No goverment in my recolection has upheld that sacred duty. On this issue the numbers are clear the people have spoken will your “Good goverment” listen?

OK no additional taxes. Let us just cut our way out of this one – 50:1 pupil teacher ratio, close half the hospitals, sack 40,000 public servants, slash pensions, slash salaries, slash all public expenditure by 25%. We may be getting close now to making up that 18 billion euro gap in our budget. Good choice people.

Your not getting it David what government the Germans see the budget before the TD’s!!

@David: those cuts are coming anyway. We’re not going to magically “grow” our way out of this one. And I think you’re being over dramatic – 39bn euros should be enough to run a country of this size very effectively.

Average tax take on property during the boom was €100,000.
This means that hundreds of thousands of mortgage holders are still paying thousands every year and for many more years for funds borrowed by mortgageholders that went to the exchequer. So this new property tax is essentially double taxation and highly unjust.
http://www.finfacts.com/irelandbusinessnews/publish/article_10006434.shtml

18 billion David? Please stick to the facts. FG are doing the rest you suggest keep supporting yet another useless party.

What did they do with the massive intake of revenue they got from all the stamp duty on houses during the last 8 years? This tired old “but loads of other counties pay house tax!” and “who will pay for the street lighting?” is tiring. But in other countries do they pay in the region of €20,000 when they buy their home, or another €6-7000 in VRT on their cars? We are paying twice for the same services/tax, let them swing and find their 160 million at the top as we say yesterday the top 20% seem to be doing even better in the last few years and are awful quiet lately

@Declan

Well, that’s your choice and your opinion. But my opinion must also be respected. I hope you won’t mind paying anything from EUR400 – EUR1000 if not more depending on your circumstances next year. It’s too late then to give out and fight your corner. By registering and paying now, you are accepting liability and also, not sure if there was small print on that form stating that this fee could change in the future?

Good luck with that.

You made your choice i don’t disrespect for your choice,but this is my way to protest what has been done to my family and i for the last three years.It won’t cost you a cent so don’t worry about it.

sorry eamonn,
commonplace in the future?
remains to be seen.

It might be legal, but it is not lawful, that is the most important point. Learn more about the law of commerce. Don’t take my word for it. Find out for yourself.

Good man, the bankers will thank you while I mock your sheeplike tendencies.

It doesn’t really matter whether you pay now or not. The Govt will attack income tax next year if we don’t pay now. One way or another they will get their money. So keeping up the fight for €100 is just ridiculous.

Defeatist. What would it take I wonder? The world is marvelling at the Irish ability to take on punishment, even while our children are all emigrating. What kind of country are we building?

Your choice was to troll or to “show affection” to your dog. One option had a headache.

It’s even better to see the majority not paying it.

GET THE BOAT…

Listen I can comment on here if I want. I didnt break the rules for commenting.

They are not law abiding citizens, they are statute abiding citizens. Ireland is a common law jurisdiction with legislative statutes. Statutes are only law if you agree to consent. Well done for those who consented releasing the ownership (not that any of us own anything mortgaged) of the property to the state. A property tax is essentially signing over your property to the state and then renting it from them.

I have not consented, and have no wish to contract with the State for this “service”. No thanks! People really need to look at law and our constitution and learn it. There is no point in trusting ourselves to the judiciary, solicitors barristers and judges. They are a vested interest. Every one of them is a member of the same society, the law society. Is this above suspicion? I for one think not.

When Bertie and Flynn and Wright and Burke and Lowery and Seanie and Fingleton and Dunne and AIB and Anglo and Irish Perm and FAS and Drumme and Quinn and and and I could go on for ever. When these all pay back to us what is due I will gladly pay , but if all these pay what they stole from us we wouldn’t need another tax.
Lets make a HOGAN STAND on this.

Thanks for that accurate info mark. I must remember that for if i’m ever caught speeding, drink driving or the the like. I simply just won’t consent. Never would have thought it was that simple.

@David: here’s an extreme example but I hope you will get the point. Democratically elected government creates Nuremberg laws against jews. Your choice: obey or not. There is a difference between justice and laws.

Good man David. Your sarcasm is pathetically misplaced as if your car is registered and you have a driving license then you have already consented to quite a lot more than you obviously realise. Mark is correct, no matter how inconvenient this may be to your blind conditioning.

@ You better. You may not have broken the Journal’s rules, but there are other unwritten rules, that you should maybe have payed more attention to. Such as, loyalty, trustworthiness, truthfulness, etc. Of course, you are allowed to comment but in doing so, you are also free to show yourself up, for who and what you really are!.

@ club educate, Ironic username indeed. Common law is a system in place for centuries all over the would and it is forever evolving. Have ye ever even heard of the branch of common law called equity. Educate tells me that i can be prosecuted for breaking the law on the roads because i have a drivers licence and my car is registered. No problem. I can cancel my licence and burn my car out in some local park. Then i’ll just take my neighbours car because i like it. So then under yer twisted logic i can then drive as i please and just not consent to the law. Anarchy is what ye are promoting and it is a very sad reflection of ye. What about the naive people that believe the rubbish that ye are spouting?

Let’s face it. You paid, didn’t you?

Almost everyone is caving and registering !! Based on what Mark – a feeling! You go ahead and cave in all you like but the majority aren’t paying. The only thing fizzling out is hogans daft plan & support for his hair brained scheme !!

Didn’t pay, didn’t register. No intention of it

How about you Bryan? You didn’t say if you paid or not. Talk is cheap… or are you afraid to go on the record?

Well then, don’t panic. If the trend continues then at least a million households will not pay.

I hope so Skeolawn. I really do. A line in the sand is only good as long as its not crossed. Many are but like you said, if the majority stays with the unpaid then the message will have been delivered loud and clear.

Mark – take a guess! Of course I haven’t paid nor will I. Talk is cheap – lol! I’m guessing that understanding the patently obvious is not your forte!

Well SASHA, I got my reminder today and I’m down to the post office tomorrow to collect my SW invalidity pension and I’m gonna buy a pre – stamped envelope and do the very same thing. Whats his address or can I just put Phill the black bags Hogan
Co. Kilkenny
as the address??

Problem is this is not the platform they got elected for

Fair play Eamon. I have paid also. The mocking etc… is par for course on this site. There are a few who are on constantly whinging and moaning and spitting hatred….journal.ie is like a full time job for them….kinda sad really…

declan cotter, if you dont like the ” whinging and moaning” on the site then dont use it. Oh btw for someone who says its kinda sad that it seems like journal.ie is some peoples lives you are on it enough yourself!!

let’s see how petty it is next year when the new charge replacing the €100 is between 3 an 6 times the amount.

There was no private message, it’s up above. You reply by hitting the reply button.

Still mocking your choices btw, especially now you’ve declared your shame as a banker.