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NAMA says it will give 2,000 homes for social housing. So far: there’s just 58

NAMA had planned to fill 2000 homes by the end of 2012.

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NAMA’S PLAN TO provide 2,000 homes to be used for social housing by the end of this year seems unlikely to happen with just 58 homes so far officially signed up.

A further 701 homes which were initially proposed to be used for social housing have been deemed ‘unsuitable’ by housing authorities.

Almost 100,000 households are on waiting lists for social housing around the country.

Housing Minister Jan O’Sullivan told the Dáil that more than 2,000 housing units under the aegis of the National Asset Management Agency  were examined to determine whether they were suitable to be used for social housing.

However of these, 372 were withdrawn after circumstances changed, with most of these properties sold on the open market. Of the 701 deemed suitable, housing authorities found problems with location and the type of accommodation.

Of the 1,200 properties that were left, contracts have been signed for just 58 of them to be used for social housing. More than 700 are still being appraised, while 405 are at ‘various stages’ of the approval process.

NAMA had said in 2011 that it was committed to providing 2,000 units for social housing by the end of 2012.

Jan O’Sullivan told the Dáil that demand has been identified for the 1,200 properties. She added:

It is important to note that while demand has been confirmed in respect of practically all residential developments proposed by NAMA, the requirement to provide for an appropriate mix of tenures and to avoid undue segregation in housing means that local authorities will only ever deem a certain proportion of units within individual developments suitable for social housing.

Last month NAMA confirmed that it plans to demolish an empty block of apartments in Longford in a bid to get the most value out of the land. NAMA is currently involved with around a tenth of Ireland’s 2,000 ghost estates.

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Comments (26 Comments)

  • So these houses are unsuitable to be given away either free or at reduced rents, but ok to be sold to private individuals? Either social housing is too fussy or the working man is getting screwed again. If the standard of housing is good enough to pay for, surely it’s good enough to be housed in

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    • It’s definitely social housing being too fussy.

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    • I would prefer as a taxpayer that NAMA would choose to sell rather than give away if a buyer exists. Having bought the properties from Developer or Banks with our money at prices that now look too high it would be unthinkable that they could walk away from a buyer. Fool me once …but three times!

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    • Don’t know how social housing can be so fussy when you see the state of the slums that most privately rent paid for by social welfare…. nn

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    • In fairness the decisions on suitability will not be made by housing list applicants but by council and other agency employees making decisions on behalf of them, they will never have the choice of whether or not they would be happy to move to somewhere else if there is housing available locally. There is perception that poor people should not be allowed to have any choices at all.

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  • So if you are unlucky enough to be living in an unfinished estate that you paid 300,000 for a house it will now become a council estate. Nice!!

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  • How are we going to pay for 100,000 households living accommodation? Wouldn’t it be cheaper, fairer and more beneficial to try to put 100,000 heads of 100,000 households into decent jobs and let them get their own housing? I’d rather pay taxes to subsidise productive employment than simply house people and get little or nothing in return. Ireland needs jobs, not more welfare. Manufacturing skills are dying or dead here, more and more often we are having to source even simple goods in other countries. I spent half an hour on Friday with a friend as he gave out about being unable to source furniture in Ireland for his restaurant, furniture which 25 years ago he could have manufactured to order in Dublin.

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  • Although it hasn’t been 100% confirmed, last summer 2011 – 12 months ago – NAMA sold 58 homes in the Beacon South Quarter in Sandyford to the Cluaid Housing Association, and the betting is that these are the 58 homes referred to by Minister O’Sullivan. In other words NAMA has sold zero for social housing in over 12 months, it seems.

    Last week, the “over 2,000 homes” had risen to 3,000.

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  • A p*ss poor attempt to alleviate the social housing crisis by the government. 58 houses approved, when there are a 100,000+ waiting? Labours ‘way’ is truly pathetic. Where is the left wing agenda that Labour spoke about to get elected? It seems to have gotten lost along the way. Maybe they left it at the Shelbourne when they were having brunch with their ‘socialist’ colleagues from Europe, and discussing ways to protect European banks at all costs? Its clear that the trappings of power in Ireland seem to have a, particularly, corrupting affect on people.
    This government are too cowardly to push their agenda on NAMA, too weak to force the banks to pass on rate reductions and too inept and placid to try and lead from the front in Europe. All the spin in the world will not change that fact. We, as an electorate, have ‘settled’ for a weak(not FF at all costs) government, which is a sad reflection on our democracy, to be honest. We substituted one aged shower of self serving plonkers for another. We need diversity in our political parties, and the possibility of creating a more nuanced government in a time of crisis. Instead, we have two shades of yellow. They are FF light, but without the confidence…

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    • Kenneth you need to face reality when it is staring you in the face. There isn’t the slightest chance that a fraction of that 100,000 can be housed by the State in the current fiscal crisis. The rules of allocation need to change also. Families should be first on the list and first refusals should not be allowed. In this way the administrative process can be speeded up and larger numbers of people accommodated.

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    • @ Mark- Many of NAMA’s properties are built and ready to be lived in, so why shouldn’t they be allocated to citizens that need them? They WILL be getting houses anyways, so why not aim to allocate as many of the unwanted properties to them as possible? I’m not speaking about the big plush properties in Foxrocks leafy suburbs, but the smaller, less popular places that are going to be harder to sell. Many of the unfinished estates are close to completion and could be brought up to spec with a little work, and surely that would be worth the effort? It makes financial and social sense, in my opinion. We could alleviate a lot of worry and stress, both from our financially damaged state and our poorest citizens. The current allocation system is not written in stone Mark and FG’s ‘moral hazard’ nonsense shouldn’t come into play here.

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  • So if I want to buy a house in a private estate and pay the premium I may get someone who possibly has never bothered saving for a deposit, dealing with banks and their now million questions on getting a mortgage and suddenly a family of possible spongers who drew the dole and sponged off the state begins living next door to me and destroying the area (proven fact, look at Ballymun, Finglas etc) and whilst I am lumbered with a substantial loan.

    Sorry but no, you either designate an enter estate for council houses but you do not mix up tax payers and spongers (not all).

    I am all for helping society but I am also all for fair play to the tax payer.

    There are many people on the housing list who are genuine but many who are also not and see it as a meal ticket.

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    • siobeli 08/07/12 #

      Totally agree….I think if there was a change from a ‘council house for life” to a limited time of 5-10 years-in order for people to work and save a deposit to buy their own place.
      Too many see it as a entitlement. It is unfair that when you get a council house that the welfare officer will
      Pay towards your contents and council do all repairs for free.

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  • tozyurt 08/07/12 #

    We should get rid of Nama , they just turned into a dodgy asset management company doing dodgy deals with the same people who brought down this economy. We need 3rd party outsiders to handle this loan recovery process, simply we can’t trust these guys . Take all the assets back and cease Nama .

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  • ”… ‘various stages’ of the approval process….” How many ”stages” are there . I understand that certain criteria must be met, but surely this can be done from a check list by one person … What are the criteria?
    1 ) Location
    2) Size
    3) cost to complete any work outstanding on the building
    4) Suitability ( can not give any one a house that is “too good ” for them even if they are homeless.
    5) proximity to amenities…..
    Anything else ?

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  • im sorry now but there seems to be some negative comments about people on the social housing list and i want to make some thing clear we are in a recession not every one can afford to buy a home of their own my partner is an Engineer for the esb works very hard for his money i work for the hse i also work very hard for my wages so no you are not paying taxes to house us waiting on the list its a stupid comment to make about something you obviously know nothing about !!!!!

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    • Just what are the two of you spending your wages on?

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    • By the information in your statement you shouldn’t be on the list, working hard doesn’t entitle you to be housed, it entitles you to be paid and in turn pay your own way!

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    • Gavin I think you’ve forgotten that huge numbers of average and lower wages earners were priced out of home ownership during the boom. Not all of us had rich mummies and daddies to pay our deposits or live at home rent free for years like many people I know who bought. This was exacerbated by very high rents which drained people from saving. Even now an average rent is 800 which is exactly one third of an average take home salary and which if translated into a mortgage repayment would buy a house worth over 200k. A lot of people are still in this year as either their work is too insecure to borrow, they’ve had debts in the recent past or simply earn too little. There are quite a lot of low to average earners trapped in the rented sector involuntarily

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  • not that it is any of your business but i pay rent in cork and my partner is based in dublin monday to friday and home at the weekend so he must also pay a rent there is no work in cork in his area beggers cant be choosers we dont have much left over by the time our rent is paid doest that answer your question

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    • Well that’s not my ( ie the taxpayers) problem, I assume as you refer to him as your partner that he’s not on your housing claim and your trying for a single mothers house, as 2 decent wages like yours wouldn’t qualify. Defrauding the state is a crime you know

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    • Gavin that’s a huge judgement to make about the poster. Her point is extremely valid, though I don’t think social housing would be much use to her if the family is split across the country.

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  • Correct me if I’m wrong – but should that not read ‘there are just 58′ ? Perhaps general grammer rules don’t apply to headlines anymore…

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  • What a bunch of self rightish crap. nWould think its London or Paris and not some wet island of the coast of Europe. nEven with the property crash homes in ireland are still expensive and much more than they need to be. A house should be a home not a just investment or a quick flip for easy cash. What right have we to decide who lives in our estates and force social exclusion. Typical of selfish ireland today and the reason we are where we are broke as a nation !! Everyone deserves a home to live in, it should never been a quick scheme to turn a fast buck. The councils should take over all the unfinished estates complete them and use them for social housing instead of lining the pockets of so called landlords at the tax payers expense.

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