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Nearly four-fifths of NI voters would choose to stay in UK

A poll commissioned by the BBC shows that when undecideds are excluded, the North would vote 79-21 to stay in the Union.

Loyalist protesters returning to East Belfast after a flag protest in Belfast City Centre.
Loyalist protesters returning to East Belfast after a flag protest in Belfast City Centre.
Image: Liam McBurney/PA Wire

A NEW POLL has shown that almost four-fifths of voters in Northern Ireland would prefer to stay within the United Kingdom than join a political union with Ireland.

A poll commissioned by the BBC’s Spotlight programme shows that if a referendum was to be held tomorrow on whether to break away from Britain and unify with the Republic of Ireland, 65 per cent would vote to maintain the links with Britain while only 17 per cent would approve joining with the Republic.

When undecided voters are excluded, the poll suggests that a referendum to join with the Republic would be defeated by 79 per cent to 21.

Among Catholic voters, there is greater firm support to remain part of the UK than to be joined with the Republic. 38 per cent of Catholic respondents to the poll said they would remain in the UK, while 35 said they would unify with the Republic. 9 per cent would abstain, with the remaining 18 per cent undecided.

The poll comes as Sinn Féin increases its calls for a ‘border poll’, demanding simultaneous referendums in the North and the Republic to decide on whether the 32 counties should be unified within a single state.

The calls have met with little sympathy from governments in either London or Dublin – with the former also contending with a referendum on Scottish independence late next year – but Unionist parties had been said to be favourable to the idea, confident that voters would support remaining part of the UK.

94 per cent of Unionist respondents to the poll said they would vote to keep Northern Ireland within the UK; only 2 per cent would vote for a United Ireland.

In both the Nationalist and Unionist communities, support for a United Ireland and the status quo respectively was stronger among lower working class respondents. 43 per cent of working class Nationalists would back reunion with Ireland; 95 per cent of working class Unionists wanted to retain the British Union.

Among those who identified as ‘Northern Irish’ – amounting to 25 per cent of the North’s population, according to the 2011 Census – 72 per cent said they would remain part of the UK, with a mere 7 per cent backing a reunification.

Support to abandon flags protests

The poll also questioned respondents on their opinions in the North’s recent controversy over flying the British flag at Belfast’s City Hall.

44 per cent of the public said they supported the decision to fly the flag on the 18 designated days, while 35 per cent said they wanted the flag flown 365 days a year. 10 pr per cent said they would not like it flown at all.

Among Unionists, there was 73 per cent support for the flag to be flown all year around, with 23 per cent supporting the decision to restrict the flying to designated days. Among Nationalists, the ‘designated days’ option was supported by 64 per cent, with only 5 per cent supporting a year-round presence.

20 per cent of Nationalists said they would not support the flag being flown at all – an opinion shared by no Unionists at all.

While 51 per cent of respondents said they agreed with the flag protests when they first started, 77 per cent said the ongoing protests should now stop.

Read: Alliance Party calls for legislation on flags and emblems

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Comments (100 Comments)

  • Whatever about archaic notions of republicanism, when you break it down practically, would you rather leave a country with free healthcare and free education to join a country who are in a financial black hole that is going to last for at least another decade?

    I wouldn’t. I’m in favour of a United Ireland but we need to give the people of Northern Ireland a good reason to unite with us.

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    • Add to that the fact of the extra burden the additional six counties would have on the rest of the country & it’s a recipe for disaster! There’s time enough settling these issues down the line when Ireland Inc. doesn’t face the prospect of bankruptcy!

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    • I completely agree with you Conor, and let’s face it, a lot of our perceptions regarding the north come from our parents who took them from their parents (who were in the thick of the War of Independence and Civil War). Any time I travel to Northern Ireland I am struck by how different the landscape is to where I am from, I am acutely aware that I am in a different country. My only wish is that everyone in the 6 counties could get along, there isn’t a pub or shop I don’t feel welcome in in the south, and it would be nice if it was the same in the north. I would take no satisfaction in a United Ireland that almost half of the population were 100% against, and would become an economic drain on the 26 counties, which is already f**ked, and I’m sure all concerned in Northern Ireland don’t want anything to do with us for the same reason. The passage of history and time changes everything, I just wish the bigotry would die with it.

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    • Ireland has free healthcare (medical cards) and free education (back to education allowance grant, supplementary welfare allowance, etc).

      Perhaps that’s the reason the UK is so heavily indebted – No country can afford “free education” or “free healthcare”.

      UK = HIGH TAX, HIGH SPEND ECONOMY.

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    • Ireland’s “free education” is a joke, Mark. School uniforms, school books, school buses and so called “voluntary” contributions mean that parents pay hundreds of euros to send their kids to school every year. My mother was born and raised in England to Irish parents and she never paid for her school books, her school provided them for her.

      Medical cards? Good luck getting a medical card unless you’re over 65!

      The UK is heavily indebted? Have you looked around Ireland, man? The UK’s financial situation is hardly rosy but it’s a financial utopia compared to here. Their unemployment is 7.7%. Ours is 14.5%. And ours would be pushing on 20% if not for the thousands leaving.

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    • You obviously have never experienced our “free education ” or free healthcare . Scandalous

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    • Along with the fact that northern Ireland in its present form would not be a viable economy and would wreck our already vulnerable but more productive economy further once transfers from London cease to flow to Belfast

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    • @Conor…lol after 20 years in London believe me they are in many ways more screwed than us….vast cites of poverty where people live from benefit handout to benefit handout via high interest payday loans from parasite companies such as wonga…..the riots of 2 years ago are a symptom of much deeper Malone and decline….we are messed up here at present but I still have the same believe that the future is better here than in the UK

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    • Sorry…Malone should read Malise above

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    • censored 06/02/13 #

      NI is propped up by financial transfers from the rest of the UK. That said, a whole island economy would make a lot more sense. Our biggest problem is that our population is too small and dispersed, not the opposite.

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  • Would ya blame em? With all da shit going on down here! Mar shampla, tax on 2.0l mondeo in north 190pound.same car in da south, 710eur BUNCH OF ROBBING BASTARDS!!!

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    • Dave 06/02/13 #

      Whats council tax up north?

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    • about £650 a year

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    • It is based on the price of your house. Ours is about £650 a year. But remember we get our bins collected as part of that. Also if you are on benefits you get a discount or do not need to pay it all all.

      It can be swings and roundabouts. Eg we get free visits to the doctors but in the south family allowance etc are bigger.

      I think we have the best of both worlds up north. I have an Irish passport and consider myself Irish but there are a lot of practical advantages to being part of the uk. Great low cost broadband, free amazon deliveries, low cost banking/mortgages, cheaper houses, cheaper shops etc.

      A united ireland is one of those vague aspirations. Once people see the practicalities of the situation they soon go of the idea.

      For example we pay about 10 billion in tax in the north but the uk gov pays us back 20 billion to run the place. I can’t imagine the average tax payer in the south being keen to stump up that kind of cash for the dream of an all ireland.

      Plus lets face it, we are bothersome bunch with annual riots you could set your watch by. Britain would get shot of us tomorrow if they could but we are the pain in the ass kid neither divorcing parents want.

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    • Ah ah ah Brian O’Neil you’re wrong there! I’ll have you know that we in the Republic also qualify for Amazon’s free Super Saver Delivery, but the order must be over GBP 25 (which ain’t a bad deal) :) I’d say if those in the North knew that they’d definitely want to join the Republic… Well probably not.

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    • Brian,

      Perhaps that’s why the UK is heavily indebted. Even if bins were collected, the rest of the GBP1,500 council tax goes to a central government who spends it on entitlements. The U.K is also suffering inflation.

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    • Good post, Brian. However I still think Northern Ireland is destined for very troubled days ahead. The Protestants created the NI state to ensure a Protestant British majority and that mentality remains. Even though many Catholics might accept the UK status quo, they will still want NI to change to reflect their Irish identity. And the loyalists will not react nicely to that, even if they’re still part of the UK.

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    • I thought amazon will not ship electronic goods to the republic?

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    • Hi mark as I understand it the way rates work is 50% of it is kept by your local town council (eg Belfast) the other 50% goes to the NI assembly funds.

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    • Hi Alan yes that was the case but now things are dramatically different.

      The best school results are now in catholic schools. Both universities are now majority catholic. Most law graduates etc are now catholic. Belfast and derry have a catholic majority.

      Things really have changed a lot and discrimination is now largely a thing of the past (it still happens in some jobs but we have a ton of solicitors and barristers ready to pounce on any offenders).

      Because we can have dual nationality I do think most Catholics are content that there irishness is respected. We have the GAA, Irish language etc just like you have in the south.

      The problem is now that Catholics in the north are now on the rise and this is why you are getting flag protests etc. it’s not about flags it’s about loyalists thinking ‘dem Fenians are getting everything’. Even if the stats show this view is false it is still their perception.

      The last thing any sensible catholic wants to do is treat Protestants badly like they treated us in the bad old days.

      We should all be striving for equal opportunities for all the people in our society. Those of any faith or none, rich or poor.

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  • I’d say the majority of the people in the whole UK want Northern Ireland to join the Republic of Ireland. They can’t get rid of them though. They’re gonna have to want to leave.
    I also think the vast majority of people in the republic of Ireland don’t really care about want happens in northern Ireland.

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  • Who would with what we have running this country now & before them.

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    • This country is run by the ECB, IMF and some eurocrats isn’t it

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    • And Don’t Forget The Puppet Muppets.

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    • and Irish people voted for Fianna Fail who signed up for EMU membership. People must take responsibility for voting FF.

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    • @Jeff Kenneddy – cant undestnd how u got red thumbs for your accurte comment ?.
      @ mark Dait .. FF did not create the Recession here . It was US Neo-liberal Economic Policy and its accptance here that did that . Do u think FG or any Irish party would have rejected this failed policy – which was first tried in Chile 40 years ago -. . Ireland is a puppet state of USA and as long as we remain so – we have little chance of getting out of this mess . Iceland dealt with the Problem of failed Banks ok – but we as ever just do as US does .We are in fact foloowing a failed state – its time to say Stop.

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    • censored 06/02/13 #

      Ding – Jim gets it wrong again. FF is solely responsible for the mess here. (and not for the first time, this is a once per generation disaster due to FFs regular m.o.) Stop spreading lies.

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  • The big unknown in all this is what impact Scottish Independence might have on a vote there. Many unionists have much stronger cultural ties to Scotland than they do to England, so if Scottish independence did happen, they may find a choice between ties to a distant England that has no interest in them, a Republic that can’t afford them or going it alone and struggling to balance the books. Not a pleasant choice.

    One thing that any opinion poll can’t reflect is what a United Ireland might look like. Most responders would justifiably assume that it would be a reflection of the South as it is at present. In fact, if it ever did happen, we would probably see massive changes both sides of the border to create an entity where everyone is comfortable.

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  • “94 per cent of Unionist respondents to the poll said they would vote to keep Northern Ireland within the UK; only 2 per cent would vote for a United Ireland.”

    If 2% of unionists want to form a 32 county republic that doesn’t make them unionists!

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  • Who’d willingly sign away their kids’ and grand kids’ futures??
    Apart from our own beloved political overlords on our behalf that is.

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  • They’re dead right…

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  • Why would they want to be part of a country run by idiots (FF/FG)? A state that still allows a religious order a say in domestic affairs? A stare that guarantees foreign private investors money with tax payers money? And a shit load of other ridiculous things. Of course they don’t want to part of Ireland.

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  • The only thing thats twice as much of the uk down here is the dole!

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  • don’t blame them one bit when ya look at the fools running this country into the ground. Dave Cameron or Inda Kenny? I know who’d I’d choose!

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  • They are right. If I wasn’t tied ti this negative equity mortgage Id happily live in the UK again. Would be nice to leave this papist, corrupt country as much as I love it.

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  • I know it won’t be a popular choice for some, but should we not do a referendum County by County? Antrim and Down are the only Unionist dominated Counties, and after the others leave the UK they couldn’t sustain themselves. Just a thought.

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  • This poll is about the six counties. A pity a poll has not been conducted South of the border. While a majority may well opt for a United Ireland, methinks there would be a considerable minority against it.

    Also, under the terms of the Good Friday agreement would voters in the South have the ability to vote if and when a referendum ever takes place.

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    • A referendum has to be held on both sides of the border. A vote in the Republic wouldn’t be a problem considering a recent poll suggested over 75% would vote for a united Ireland, and that was only taking in consideration the current financial situation.

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  • I’ve been told by a few guys in work for years that most people Northern Ireland would want to join the republic.
    I hate it when I’m bring lied to…again

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  • Head to the East coast and keep going lads…’thar be England’

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  • Still be nice to have a united ireland wouldn’t it?!

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  • If we could have a similar poll down here it wouldn’t surprise me, the way things are, if they got the same result.

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  • I’d have always preferred to see repartition myself. Fermanagh and Tyrone were always nationalist majority.

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  • malcom 06/02/13 #

    Who cares born on the island of Ireland makes you Irish simple

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  • N.I. is the most subsidised region in the western world. A prominent Irish economist crunched the numbers a few years back and concluded that if N.I. was left on its own to fund itself it would be the second poorest region in Europe behind Moldova.

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  • A lot of comments here about UK having better standards of living and so on. Their decision shouldn’t be based on which country has the best health care system etc. It should be based on how they identify themselves and where they feel they belong. If they wish to remain in the UK then that is their decision.

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  • I would be interested in a poll asking Irish people if they would like to rejoin the United Kingdom. Probably our economic penury would be less extreme among other advantages.

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    • censored 06/02/13 #

      I’d be interested in that poll too.

      That said, what reason do you have to believe our economic penury would be less extreme? More likely the opposite as we return to our former role as exploited peasants and cannon fodder.

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    • We have been bullied by the EU/Germany. One generation of independent irish citizens had to pay with migration. That would have never happened if we were in the UK. To be a v small country sucks in many aspects.

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  • A border poll should occur nonetheless. It wouldn’t be about uniting Ireland but rather getting formal recognition from the Unionists that the future of the North will be decided by such polls. A border poll now, the result of which is recognised by both Irish and British governments, nationalists and unionists, will cement the process of democratically deciding the future of the North through the use of such polls.

    It will also put another nail in the coffin of those who argue for a British withdrawal by force.

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  • People who say we’re run by the IMF are right for now but that will change, as for the north they are looked after by London. Why can’t we ( the Irish) north and south look after our own affairs and give the IMF and London the two fingers. Just a thought.

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  • I am all for a United Ireland, and have always believed that a tiny island like Ireland should have one sovereign economy and government. The comments above about the people of the North giving Irish people a bad name is a very ignorant outlook that is unfortunately rampant in the 26 counties. They are all victims of the atrocities of British colonialism that have destroyed civilizations all over the world for centuries. At the same time, I am frustrated that the vast majority of advocates for a United Ireland have Celtic jerseys as their profile pic and are fuelled by bigotry and anti British gibberish. When it makes economic and social sense, then Ireland should be systematically reunited in a democratic and peaceful way… the Irish way.

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  • Out of curiosity. ..if Ireland was annexed and established as a new independent 32 county State/Country with a different name, new flag and anthem, possibly a new capital, but no more border issue or troubles, I wonder how many peoole would go along with it?

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  • In light of events in the last few months I think that 4/5 s of the republics population would vote for them to stay in the UK too…we don’t need or want such silly nonsense down here….we have enought to deal with what with the crisis, the abortion debacle, the Magdalene laundry saga s and the scary thoughts of a second Muppet show arriving on the streets of our fair city

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  • If NI was to leave the UK and join Ireland, would they take a proprtion of the UK National debt with them?

    Prorated by population that’d be about 32 billion quid.

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  • It was a poll of 1000 people taken over a week in January, by the BBC, during the greatest worldwide financial crisis in generations, referring to whether people would want it to happen tomorrow. Hardly representative nor accurate. 7 years ago there would have been a hugely different answer, so who knows what it would in 7 years from now. I wouldn’t read anything into this.

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  • I wonder would there be a BBCNI in a United Ireland? Might explain their biased reporting.

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  • Good

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  • Who would blame them!

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  • Let them stay there! Wouldn’t bother me if NI just floated away to join the UK, they’ve been giving the republic a bad name for decades!

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  • I don’t think the poll is a fair reflection of NI. How many people were asked? and where were they from?

    It certainly doesn’t reflect the views my friends or families view from the city I grew up in (Derry) who all call themselves Irish but not necessarily hard line republicans, more middle of the road nationalists. I would love to see a referendum with a “real” vote just to see where we are with this, rather than speculation raised by BBC.

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  • If the majority of people living in the North Of Ireland Want To Be British Why The F..k Don’t They All Move Across The Water And Live There. They Would Not Be Missed.

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  • Eire 06/02/13 #

    Wolf Tones also won song of the Millenium on a BBC poll these Polls can be rigged… There is only one Poll that counts , have the Border Vote let the people decide once & for all for at least one or two generations to come its democracy what ever will be decided…

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  • Its only a pity us in the South couldnt vote to join the UK. Free Health Care, Free Education, unemployment rate reduced to 7.7%, and then there’s the great roads and infrastructure we would get. We as a country would be much better off if we were part of the UK. Just like Scotland and Wales, they still enjoy their heritage/ history and identity whilst at the same time enjoy the benefits of being part of a stronger unity.

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    • Are you on crack.?…… for a small export dependant nation behind a small island we ain’t doing to bad….. after 900 years of trying to be shot of our neighbours I for one will fight not to be British

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    • censored 06/02/13 #

      Yes, an we’d have a police station in every village too and with full employment due to all the reports going up to Dublin castle that have to be read.

      In spite of our current temporary problems, and all the stuff we’ve gotten wrong over the years, we’ve still been far better off as an independent nation. We still have some who long for the good ole days when Mother England looked after us so well, but you have to grow up someday.

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  • A nation once again 26+6=1

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  • As a European I think every country should ban flags and all forms of nationalism. It only causes trouble. No value added. The IRA/SF think they are the true Irish simply because they say so. I think they are terrorists and physcopaths killing in the name of irishmess. They don’t represent me or my family. they are also pushing the Irish language in the government and councils which to me I’d discriminating against most people. We now have Irish announcements on buses and trains. Even the census form question on Irish was twisted to give a more positive slant. There are more Polish people in Ireland than native Irish speakers. Do we need to print everything in 3 languages? No wonder we are broke as a country.

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  • John F 06/02/13 #

    Orchestrated result to appease loyalist thughs more like!

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  • This would be a great little country if only we had the Union Flag flying on our buildings.

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  • 75% of statistics reflect the views of the organisation making the stats!

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  • *as the uk i meant

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