Interesting question, but from the courts view I would imagine they would take a different view from the victim killing the abuser during the assault to a premeditated attack some time later. All I can say is that I know what I would do if I came into a room and found someone abusing my seven year old daughter.

Probably jail the abused and have the priest shipped off somewhere where they didn’t know about him

you are talking about a premeditated murder which differs from the case above

Why would anyone give a red thumb to this post. It’s a question. Would it be better in your unhappy world if no one asked questions?

Barry – why did you single out clerical abuse in your hypothetical scenario, especially since the vast majority of sexual abusers are not clerics?

As for the actual story, fair play to the father and fair play to the authorities in Dallas. They did the right thing. A father should protect his child with whatever force is necessary.

AlMar, I merely mentioned clerical abuse as its a high profile issue and people are very aware of, also unlike other sexual abusers I’d imagine most people could name a few priests that abused people.

Yes my example is different to this story but it is at the same time related and it would be a interesting case, it may not be as cut and dry as people think I’m guessing…

@ Depends. The abused could and probably is badly destroyed in their mind and body for many years. Then some day they see their abuser. Kills them. I wouldn’t call that premeditated. I’d call it sad, but justice.

Some individuals here in Ireland have claimed insanity when stabbing someone or shooting them. Gets jail maybe for a couple of years, then let out on good behavior. “I was insane …. but I’m ok now”!

I have heard of a fellow that got the tar beaten out of him, for reporting it to the Guards in the 80′s. They took him off in the car, up the mountains and beat him to a pulp and let him walk about 10 miles home in bloody and torn clothes. As you can imagine his life fell apart after that, with drinking, marriage break up. Now in England.

Aimar , you are like the one man defender of the Church and the clerics . Although only a small percentage of the percentage of priests were CAUGHT abusing children , ten times that many knew about it and felt the need to stand by and do nothing .

Its fair to say that majority of abuse was in the home but that still does not excuse your constant protection of the clerical animals involved and Gods Rottweiler and all the other top brass in sin city ( the Vatican ) . The hypothetical situation given by the post was fair as we are very mindful of clerical abuse in this country and lets not let the memory go away and remind the organisation on a daily basis , in case they try to forget .

In relation to the story i am on the fence . I am a father and if it was my daughter i would do exactly the same although his death would be more painful but i think i would expect to face a jury of peers . I think the law must still be enforced although i would expect and jury or judge would allow you to walk free due to mitigating circumstances.

The fear when we take emotion into account is that we allow civil disobedience . If a guy tries to rob my wallet at the ATM today do i have the right to kill him and have the ” ah sure he deserved it ” attitude floating around by the judicial . I have mixed feelings on the case really . I don’t believe for one minute he should spend a minute in a cell but i do think due process must take place .

Do you have references for that story?
I’d be interested to know more…

And what do you think the Nally case was by comparison to that?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/homeowner-guns-down-teen-burglar/

One of the three was killed and nothing about home owner getting freedom of the city. Although, what is true is that the laws in Texas are firmly on the side of the home owner and victims of crime, unlike PC Liberal Ireland.

A Grand Jury isn’t exactly the same as court, but is similar in that it looks at the facts of the case and decides whether an offence has been committed.

Do you really think it shouldn’t have been considered by the Grand Jury? Then who decides that the father shouldn’t be charged? If that was the case then anyone could just kill another person and claim they were defending their daughter.
It is essential to establish the truth before making such an important decision. That is what has been done here.

proper order, even if she was someone elses kid he was still right

No he wouldn’t. We have laws here regarding self defence and defence of another person. You are entitled to use reasonable force.

pity the ambulance didnt get there on time and save his miserable life in order for the Texan judiciary to sentence him to the electric chair – fckn paedo! I hope the father never feels a second’s guilt..

Minimum use of force enough to restrain or escape not murder is the principle in Ireland don’t get me wrong if it was me I might of done the same as this guy

You will find it in the part of the article that says forensic evidence and witness statements corroborate the fathers version of events

Fair enough… that’ll learn me to read more carefully.