And someone on over 100k can do without expenses !

I’m also able to take a punch in the face, doesn’t mean I should be agreeable to receiving one though!

Does anyone remember the hep c case when he was minister of health this guy lives in lala land

There is an overall collective feeling of revulsion here and everyone is correct . This govt. should be forced to give up half their salaries and expenses. Maybe spend some time helping at the soup kitchens or helping the Vincent De Paul out. Im sorry to say it but I wish every one of them sheep in Fine Gael and Labour a terrible Christmas. To everyone else Happy Christmas !

He’s on €3615 a week and he has the f*ckin cheek to say people should struggle that little but more for Germany

What’s next, they can afford to eat meat so they can pay even more.

You see Michael, when I give money to to these companies, they give me something in return. That’s what you don’t seem to pick up on.

What a f….ing glib comment to make. They would like people to be sitting in a cold house eating beans and staring at the walls to pay for the monumental balls up that were made by them and the previous shower that were in charge. These politicians disgust me…. they are so good at imposing hardships on others yet they have the likes of Phil Hogan snuggling up to some young assistant with a glass of wine while the taxpayers are screwed for his expenses. GTFO.

Of course people that can afford to pay it if they have high end tv packages, but he is also forcing people who can’t afford to feed themselves to pay it too.

I’ll accept this sort of drivel when I see government ministers make one meaningful sacrifice of their own. Under the present circumstances I’ll forgive a person a sky sports package long before I’ll forgive them an exorbitant wage coupled with extravagant expenses.

Thought it was only 1.6 million homes that were liable to register for the household charge.Now its 1.9 million.Where did the extra 300k come out of?

This man is an arrogant overpaid clown..how dare you tell my mother that the small luxury of watching TV in her old age is something she and thousands like her don’t deserve as they should be paying money to overpaid international bankers via your f*****g household charge…how dare you buffoon…you try living on an ordinary pension…..this governments activities are nothing more than double and triple taxation disguised as something else…and for all of you lot who agree with this fool grow some between your legs…you’re being robbed senseless by these elected criminals

We all pay that mans wages & he comes out with this crap. I’d like to cut his Sky package & put him on minimum wage.

I cancelled my broadband subscription as it was a luxury…… Now I can’t log on to paid the household charge…. Ah we’ll ;-)

Another quality assessment of the country’s financial state and our ability to bail out the bank. Which I may add we are the only country fully required to do so as our bank debt is our sovereign debt. While we are busy slagging each other off for who can afford what don’t forget if you earn a decent wage and have a good job it probably cost you a small fortune to get your qualifications to reach this point. Then u get hit with Paye. USC. Bin tax stamp duty property tax (same thing only doubled up). If you want to build and extension you pay upwards of 150 euro per sq mtr again to the local authority before u pay a cent to a builder. Water next. Tax on your car. Road tax. Parking tax. Petrol tax. Tv tax. They will just keep lobbing it on as long as we keep fighting each other instead if together.

My ‘high-end’ Sky TV package is my only luxury in life. I don’t smoke or drink, I have 2 small children and I don’t ever go out on the town. 99% of our meals are made at home and I can’t remember I went shopping for clothes or shoes for myself. My car is a 98 that has not seen more than half a tank of petrol for years.

Politicians give me the shits with their sanctimonious drivel.

The issue is not just ability to pay, the issue is whether or not we should have to pay twice for the same thing while the government stweals the taxes we have already paid to hand to bondholders.

Between driving to and from work each day i’m gone from my house (which I can’t afford to pay for) 65 hours a week,I live in a tiny village where I can’t receive the cheaper upc package due to no signal so I have to pay for sky basic package, because i’m living on a ghost estate my children have no friends of their own age to play with so I got multi room into the spare room for them,I haven’t had a can of beer in 3 years this coming February,I don’t smoke, there’s no takeaways within 7 miles of me so we don’t spend our money on takeaways we both list our jobs in 2008 I was lucky to get a job of which I have a 3 hr round trip to get to every day for very basic money (25k per year) my point being that my basic sky package and internet connection are my only treats in life for being lucky enough to be in full time employment, and no I won’t be giving it up, you can take my very overpriced house from me first.

We didn’t cause this mess and we are constantly told to pay up more and more regardless and while we’re bending over for these muppets they whisper and snide between the classes, I’m sick of this shit, if they start nit-picking at the small things for the sake of a few quid and keep the Germans happy then they truly are not a government of the irish people, impostors and stewards of the republic of Germany, merry Christmas ya filthy animal, and happy new year

Yup everyone has another 300-700 euro to fork out. And will have another 300 euro for the water and loose those of us with 4 kids loose another 400 euro and another e300 in paid health cover (ooops I cancelled by VHI for the 6 of us – couldn’t afford it) and lets not mention all the rises that will kick in because of the above.

Ya looney Nooney! That is the most pathetic petty bit of loon economics from you. You going to give up your e1000 tv package. You don’t have to as u can afford the tax. I don’t have sky movies or sports but Do I want my kids to enjoy their telly. They will – ya loon.

No go away and stuff your face – again!

The major point also is what do people get for this government imposed fee. Is it purely a tax in which case how will the payees benefit as regards civic service and amenities or is just to be for helping the Govt dig itself out of the hole of debt.

It’s amazing how people try to justify things so they seem OK. Most people will be able to afford to pay, the point is we are only paying to keep you and yours on the gravy train. Ill be voting for the first party that gets rid of this tax no matter who they are.

“You pesky commoners, you are paupers now, remember?? Your sole purpose in life now, is to service the massive payments we make to your betters, the bankers and unsecured bondholders. Who do you think you are with your Sky, central heating and fresh food? Huddle in your tiny negatively equitated hovels around a radio, wrapped in blankets eating Aldi beans on mouldy bread. The mould is nutricious. James Reilly will back me up on that one.”

The people of this country voted for these clowns and continue to allow them to run the country into the ground. If we want things to change we have the power in numbers to bring this about. All we have to do is to stop consenting to this madness. Take to the streets peacefully and refuse to move until there’s change. They rule by our consent!

You lot in government give up your expenses and reduce your disgustingly high wages and then we wont mind paying. Until then f**k off

Its safe to say that his career will come to a quick end along with enda, reilly and vladkar. But i think that we will do what we do best and replace them with the next biggest bunch of crooks, cue FF.

Minister you are clueless , most international data would show mature countries allow for such tv packages as it has been proven cheaper than going to watch football in a pub or going to cinema. All that aside you and the banks have never engaged in a proper affordability debate as to what households can afford verses paying debt. Bring on this debate!

They want to bleed everyone dry, They want us to be as miserable as possible. Noonon is taking a leaf out of one of those trokia lads books with that talk.

I read somewhere that the one of the trokia lads were commenting that the pubs are always very busy when they are in town, and that if we have spare money to spend socially the government can tap into it.

Look noonan and Co are just stooges for the trokia, he is doing what he is told, any country the IMF have gone into ends up a disaster for the average joe.

Now if only he approached his negotiations for a debt-writedown with the same gusto!!!!

Ooh Noonan strong words there! I can’t remember the last time I heard a politician talk so bluntly!

If people are to sacrifice their sky packages etc will this household tax go on local services such as schools, local council and refuse collection, or will it be centralised and used to pay off the bond holders? If its the latter I think I sky tv package is a better investment

If he wants to return the stamp duty then he can tax my property until then he can f**k off

He has some cheek! How about we all remove the tv set from our homes, and use the rediculous fee of €170 to put towards the disgraceful property tax. One less propaganda tool for our great government. Loss of all advertising revenue would end rte. and we would be spared the drivel they ram down our throats! The gov should start respecting those who Voted them into power and the real people who keep the economy going. But we’re just €s to them.

Also Nick Moonan is looking at sending agents to churches, to see how much people are putting in collections, cinemas to see who can afford popcorn , pub toilets see who can afford to use condom vending machines and pay to use toilets. Betting offices and bars are exempt cos politicians frequent same

And a lot of us got rid of it, do they not want us to have a lifestyle at all, don’t drink, don’t smoke and don’t socialise so f… off Mr. Noonan

So if you have a basic package do you not have to pay. Yea thought so. :(

I’d consider my tv package good value for money,could n ‘t say the same for my local services.

A village is missing its idiot middle aged balding and extremely stupid . Approach with caution .

I’ve had freesat and Saorview for two years. Now piss off Noonan you disgust me (full name and address available to that other A-hole Bilderberg Bruton on request)

Don`t we like the bankers have the right to live the life we are acustomed?After all who was it that said we have to pay the bankers 500k a year,because they should live the life they are acustomed…O yea id like to find out as well; what this money(the house tax) will be used for, as the U.S.C. is paying for the upkeep of parks etc…How is this new tax going to make anyone want to buy a house??
With Sky i know what im paying for(t.v good or bad)…does this household tax mean i can call someone to fix something in the house if it breaks FOR FREE?! We pay for the BINS,is ths not a servie???(U.S.C. covers services!?)Will we still have to pay for the water,or is this a service too??Who`s paying for the TDs ipads??CAN I get 60 euro a day as well a a weekly wage for going in to work,what about travel money,etc..

The one definite that we can’t afford are high end, high maintenance politicans. Unfortunately we don’t seem to have any choice with regard to this item of expense. New political party package please!

Get more bang for my money with a sky package than this household charge.

Ah ye Noonan “That’s only €3000 on the value of the house” is that all? Jaysus sure we all hav that lying around!

with the wages u and your political brothers and sisters cheat from the tax payer, big pay-offs and bigger pensions for ruining the country and the audasity to think it is your god given right to it., who paid for phil hogan,s flusie bit on the side sorry media consultant to get down and dirty in middle east. not phil hogan for sure. why did the government not go after the last government for treason. if ireland was a private company the government would have been in mountjoy prison. why did the government not stop the big debt owners from goin bankrupt in britain. a crowd of waisters, o i forgot they donate to the political parties

More under hand snideness from Fine Gael. Doing their utmost to divide people. The half that have not paid the household tax are doing so in protest. So what if someone wants to watch pay per view sports.
Anyway Happy Christmas . Enjoy everything you have worked for, be it smokes a few drinks or God forbid enjoy the darts and football laid on by Sky TV.

Does his comment also suggest that if people are on social welfare/ or in local authority housing (neither of whom will have to pay)they can’t have Sky either
It open up a new debate.

“Out of touch” doesn’t do it justice.

Paying for tv packages gets you entertainment.

Paying for the household charge gives you nothing in return but a headache and less money in your pocket.

Merry Christmas to all our politicians . I hope you think about of. All the people who won’t have heat or lavish dinners . And the countless people on trolleys in our hospitals . This holiday . Not that you . Give i SHITE . Again happy and last Christmas in power yours faithfully. tom. Fox

I guess the say a leopard never changes it spots, he was terrible the last time he was in power, was so out touch with people. Then again what politician is ever in touch with the people. Nothing like fixing the problem with a jack hammer, when a simple hammer is all that is needed.

Out of touch isn’t the word, the way they are going we won’t be allowed any enjoyment in life. We will be bled dry and on bread and water so the old boys club can be bailed out.

The bully boy is at it again,I tell you what remove all these political programmes and leaders questions off the tv and lets enjoy the sky tv even better what a cheek he has.

And they wonder why TDs get abused on social media? it’s obvious Noonan intends to retire before the next election. No problem paying for sky sports on his free pension

Tin opener for this one and the worms are ready…..

Solution – €1000 tax on sky sports >_>

What a fu@kin a-hole! We can also (just about) afford to buy food, perhaps we should give that up too in order to pay this ridiculous tax.

Journal.ie : will u guys do an article working out the average family gross income, take all the taxes out to get to the Net take home pay. Then work out average family overheads, food, power, petrol, heating oil, clothing, a few pints/bottle of wine (and for those who smoke their habits taxation) etc and calculate the amount of additional taxes were paying (VAT, duty, VRT etc.). Add to that house hold charges, septic tank, bins, water rates, DIRT on the paultry amount you’d have left to put into a savings account.

It would be very interesting to see what percentage of your gross income is actual tax ?

Household Tax is the beginning folks. It’s modest now but wait 5 yrs down the road it will be over 500 euro or more for a house and in the meantime new taxes appearing everyday plus water charges.

The average joe on the street is not aware of the extra stealth taxes being imposed on a daily basis and this goes to erode the wealth of people which makes them controllable.

What is great is how peeved off they are ,about not geting they’re way. They say that the majority has paid but I don’t believe that for a moment.

His observation is irrelevant and one that is antagonizing.
This type of remark drives it home that some of our politicians are not fit to govern this country.
If I can afford as the minister puts it ” a tv package costing a 1000 Euro per year” then I certainly don’t want to be told that I am also in a position to bail out other people who have caused this financial calamity.
From a psychological aspect this comment smacks of utter incompetence.

Nice dig to the people who haven’t paid the house hold charge, he’s 100% right but does it mean if you haven’t all the sky channels and the Internet in your home will you not have to pay the house hold charge as well???

How about certain people who be in social housing and there 47″ tv and there movies and sports, they won’t be paying it !!!

Sky, even though run by an odious individual, provide a service for a set fee. This cannot be said for any part of our public service, all arms off which seem to be a bottomless money pit. The finances of all these public departments are in the control of Michael Noonan, a man paid an inordinate ammount of money to take no responsibilty to run the finances of the country ‘the troika made me do it’ is the reflex response. Mr. Murdoch may be odious but at least he has a back bone, also when he gets his subscription the results of the monies received can be seen. The monies given to Mr. Noonan will vanish in to the euro ether along with all other monies generated by the taxpayer for decades to come, because our spineless so called leadership would sooner placate German banks than serve the people that pay their wages.

“The petty economies of the rich are just as amazing as the silly extravagances of the poor.” – William Feather

At least when I pay for my tv package I have something to show for my money!

Another politician out of touch and from one who should know better!!

easy for him to tell us to give up our Sky to pay the household charge, on his wage.

Michael Noonan is one hell of cheeky man asking me to pay a houshold charge for my own house and that corrupt TV licence.

I can afford Sky TV = I can pay the household charge?

I can’t afford to pay nurses, teachers etc = I cant afford pay the bank bailout?

Wait, what?

Piss off Noonan and have a happy Christmas!

Is Noonan really trying to piss off everybody?
Does this fool not want to be elected again?
I cant believe he is not savvy enough to realise that these sort of statements are not good politics – rubbing salt in the wounds does not endear you to anybody.
Its no bloody wonder this fool couldnt get voted in without Fine Fail completely imploding

People have no right coming on to forums like this and lambasting our dear politicians! They get high wages because they and their party cheerleaders know more than us common people and we should just roll over and pay our taxes so that our great leaders will look good in the eyes of their euro chums and bankers!

When is all this going to stop…… As we the people voted for these fools shouldn’t we have a say in how much they get paid…… This government is in dream land…… We need a government that will put the country and its people first and forget Europe and there ways…. The euro currency is also a joke we had more value for money with the punt…… Also with the bond holders it feels like this country is being held like someone with a gun to their head being demanded for money……. When and will it ever stop????

Protected species…..

oi Noonan, sky didn’t charge me 20 grand installation fee, over my dead body will I pay

God doesn’t Noonan sound like a nagging pompous school teacher. Oh wait!

I am too angry to reply with an appropriate comment , to relate to such an ignorant statement would be wrong. get them out is all I say , no more of being talked down to by exteachers playing political lords.

Eat a dick, Phil.

What a prize plonker!

Here’s an interesting quote after the collapse of the federal banks in the US in the 1920s. I smell déjà vu ….

“We have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the money vultures who control it. A superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure.” – Louis McFadden, D-PA

He reminds me Of, Gollum in The Lord of the Rings! A dangerous evil, so and so!

Murdochs legal team might already be drawing the summons on government directly affecting revenue stream……..

I work and on paper earn a decent wage, however by the time I pay, mortgage, esb, oil, home insurance, life insurance, car tax, car insurance, nct, petrol, parking, management fee(con) and the plethora of other ‘living’ expenses I’ve sweet FA left. Now ive to come up with a stealth property tax? Bite me!!!!

So he says if you can afford a sky package you can afford the household charge…ok then, hold on while I tap my neighbour on social housing for my charge….

Well if that’s the case why can’t them lot of dopes pay more tax and get paid minimum wage for their work. There’s alot of why nots doesn’t make them right!!!

People’s refusal to pay is more to do with where the money is going

its not only about affording it or not its an unfair tax !! what exactly does it pay for ? amenities ? street lighting ? what does the usc pay for ????? you are one ignorant pompous pig noonan

a great mind at work.he should watch sky news he might come back to reality

Having read the comments since my post I can clearly see the govt. the eu. The IMF. The troica have achieved the almost impossible by turning opinion against people who have and people who have not. It’s only 70-80 years since this last happened and unfortunately the outcome will be the same but the end result will be far far worse. The time of if it does not affect me it won’t affect me has well since sailed. If people finally accept that the real reason we are here is because the few ( wealthy. Very very wealthy) would rather see a catastrophic failure than give up what they are (owed) with the slim possibility that what they are owed will be payed. It will not. It can’t. We are on the verge of another bailout. Greece can’t and will never pay back what they (owe) but we think it acceptable that so many people (o a ps) be made homeless to probe that there govt were sub- standard is cruel. This will happen here Spain Italy and Portugal until we are so deep we can see no way out. But hey. Lets keep arguing with each other over who can afford sky. Food. Cars. Heat. Clothes. Oh and yes. A house. The most basic of human rights. The right to exist. In poverty or wealth.

Couldn’t agree more.

He is right. I am no lover if taxes- but we all have to pay our share. There are plenty of people claiming they can’t pay, but think its perfectly normal to buy a new telly or smoke 20 cigs a day or go for a shed load of pints every week or get sky sports etc on the telly as noonan says … In most cases this is only going to cost 2/3 quid a week over a year. Those that genuinely can’t pay can defer till they can

He raises a valid point that cannot be denied.

In fairness he has a point.

Yeah minister if I was on the money your on maybe or but here’s an idea ” why don’t ya just crawl back under that rock ya came from”

Lets just have no fun until its paid. That should do it?

Good to hear straight talk in spite of recent fatal witch hunt. Straight talk, calling good and evil by name brought down Polish dictatorship Example. VHI is still cheaper than a smoking habit

To gathering your money- over the past decade through social warfare payment increased beyond the point of reasonable. People are paid more to do less. There are people or families known by the majority of citizens who have never worked a shift. Fix the system idiots. That’s for the idiots in place.

That’s the spirit Seamus, lets focus on the penny looking down on the half penny. Lets forget who brought us to our knees. Typical

hes an out of touch balding fat moron..desperately looking for an other way to rob decent people..a sick man..

Arbitrary Seizure of our property:-

- by levy of this penal Tax-Rent with no consideration for ability to pay.

- deferral if we cant pay, until we die, and then take it from our families.

- force us to sell our homes so that some wealthy person can buy them!

You dont have to wait till the next election!

You can Vote at:- http://www.HomeTaxPetition.net

in my opinion he is a complete arsehole, i was going to say p”"”k but i’ll leave it at arsehole … mr noonan go retire and let someone young enough who knows whats going on do what has to be done!

Tramp.

Not exactly a fair comparison…

Some people will have Sky and get aid from SVP. However, funding the Murdoch evil empire or magic beans are worthier expenditures than that slave tribute to the ECB.

First sensible statement from a politician in a long time, now that I think of it, why not look at dole, right to free legal aid etc, with regards to ability to spend on luxury goods and services.

The minister makes a very good point. let those who genuinely can’t afford to pay it off through the waiver system. everyone else should pay up. And forget the bank debt bullshit. We are where we are and everybody needs to contribute. Many here wondered what it would take this last year to get people off their arses and onto the streets. Turned out to be the euro on the bottle of wine where thousands mobilised into the stores spending hundreds of thousands on alcohol that Wednesday night…

Noonan is right in principle! with the Household/Water Tax Campaign it’s not a case in most cases of Can’t Pay, Won’t Pay, it’s a case of reasonably widespread civil disobedience. It needs to be tackled and if someone has a Sky or UPC subscription then they can well afford the Property Tax, the Household Charge etc. The same sentiment applies to TV Licence Evaders who have Cable TV Subscriptions!

Most won’t like this, but too bad. Grow up you whining and whinging spoilt people. The government gave us all gifts over the past decade and now when times are tough, you almost give a damn. I am an American blow-in. As far as I can tell only the OAP people have proved their case. Oh yeah, I am the carer for a special needs teenager and an elderly aunt. I didn’t realize that I was being overpaid.

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