It still ends a life, which makes it a major human rights issue.

How do you end something that has yet to start?

My babies were having a good old time for themselves long before they were born. Waking me with a few well aimed kicks was their favourite activity! ; )

The church has a view, they are entitled to their view and they are entitled to express their view to their flock. But it’s not the only view, and certainly not the only reason why one would be pro-life.
I would see this as a Human Rights issue. I believe, based on science, that the child, although still incubating in its mothers womb, is a human being. It is not a cancer or a parasite, as some pro-abortion people have described it. As a human being it is entitled to protection from harm and the most fundamental right, the right to life. There is no other right that supersedes this.
I do accept, however, that in VERY RARE circumstances, procedures must be carried out to save the life of the mother which may, as an indirect consequence, may lead to the death of a child in the womb. Nobody I know would argue against such procedures being carried out.
It is my social conscience, my human rights concern, that makes me pro-life.
The Church also has a social conscience, underpinned by deeds. It’s charitable bodies such as Trocaire, SVdP, the Capuchin soup-kitchen, countless homeless hostels, hospitals, etc, all indicate its benevolence. Abortion is not a religious issue, but neither is homelessness or poverty. the Church works hard in these areas without complaint. It is entitled to express its views regarding the human-rights issue of abortion, you don’t have to agree.

@Brian Give me one person on the PRO CHOICE (not pro abortion) side that compared either the embryo or foetus to a cancer or a parasite! Just one person!

You say Pro-Choice, what choice? To choose abortion? So therefore you’re in favour of abortion. Perhaps pro-abortion then, no?
I don’t pay heed to people who dehumanise life, I’m not going to try to remember their names. It is a view that has been expressed fairly frequently, on this site and other forums, that the baby is not human until born. I’ve seen it described as a parasite, a growth, a tumour. Despicable terms used to dehumanise the unborn. Those people who use these words also regard themselves as “pro-choice”.

Any chance any of the red thumbs could back up Brians claims instead of red thumbing?

No Brian, I want the women in my life to have a choice of whether to go ahead with a crisis pregnancy or not. Will I support them just as much if they do go ahead – OF COURSE I WILL! So no I am not pro abortion – I am pro women having the choice! Oh you don’t remember names – now isn’t that convenient – perhaps they’re just a figment of your imagination or a blatant lie! Same ole crap from the anti choice side as always – lies and patronisations!

Any chance you could explain what “choice” you are “pro”? The choice of abortion (i.e. killing unborn babies)? So you’re pro-abortion, right? Why don’t you just say that so? Why not just call a spade a spade and say you’re pro-abortion?

“You say Pro-Choice, what choice? To choose abortion? So therefore you’re in favour of abortion. Perhaps pro-abortion then, no?” > Excellent exercise in demagoguery…

In our society people have the choice to drink 10 pints per hour if they want. So therefore our society is pro having 10 pints per hour. Totally pointless argument. Same as yours.

Thanks Albert, summarised much better than I, if I was pro abortion I would want every woman I know to have an abortion. Our family is expecting the birth of a new child next week so that rubbishes your argument! I AM NOT PRO ABORTION – NO ONE IS! Only someone deluded would think that! I notice how you dodged the issue of people supposedly labeling unborn cancers – care to retract that statement since you have no evidence to back it up?

Don’t worry Diarmuid, I’ll have forgotten your name in a minute too. It is not a lie. The use of cosy “soft” words like “pro-choice” hide a complicit support for abortion.
In all reality, “crisis pregnancies” would not be such a crisis if the pregnant woman, and mothers, were given real support from the fathers, from the State and from society. Paying for an abortion is not the support that women need.

Oh sorry, that’s right rape victims should have the criminal at hand to support them! Returning to type anyway – when your argument falls flat on its face and youve been found out on a lie, start patronising people to paper over it! You’re hardly worth debating with really!

Why is no one ‘pro abortion’ as you suggest ? If it is removing tissue or products that are not a human being in process , why the fuss ? Why not admit to being pro abortion?

It’s not “tissue” you’re removing!!! It’s an embryo until 12 weeks and a foetus after that, lets remain factual here, and phrase within medical terminology! Because abortion IS NOT something any pro choice person enjoys. I was involved in an abortion and it was a horrendous decision to have to make. NO ONE on the pro choice side is deluded enough to think nothing of it – our decision was made for the right reasons and I would support that woman a hundred times over again. I want children so how am I pro abortion? I have been involved in one though and I have been accused of being a murderer, a pagan, a moron and sick by all the “Christian” life loving people on the “pro life” side. I AM NOT PRO ABORTION, I want the women in my life to have the choice and I will support them equally either way – that’s their CHOICE!

You can argue all you like, pro this and pro that we get dragged to the poles to vote on everything Europe, why can’t we end this once and for all and let the nation vote on it, it’s not like you can’t go to England and get one if you want or even up north!

Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

Not in my name, please!

Just don’t choose to have one so Maria, let other women choose their own destiny!

That’s not how people usually operate. I don’t believe in turning the blind eye to ill treatment of human beings and saying that it’s not my concern.