@joe hunter. In other words , after all your calculations , you admit that they were entitled to it because they worked in the EU. So your problem then must be that they’re Nigerian…QED.

@Joe Hunter…Go Joe you have clarified exactly what is going on…Irish go to other people’s countries to work…Nigerians do not….

Eh, so why can’t welfare just be a percentage based on the amount of tax paid?

So, no tax ever paid = no dole, while loads of tax paid over years = more dole.

Wouldn’t that be fairer? Maybe even incentivise work!

…just my two cents.

Are you seriously comparing Irish people in their own country with foreigners here on the dole. This is Ireland, you would expect there to be more Irish people on the dole. You would expect there too to be a fair share or Irish criminals in Ireland.
What is staggering is the proportional amounts of foreign people on the dole and in our jails here.

According to the CSO the rate of unemployment among non Irish people in 2011 was 22 percent compared with a rate of 18.5 percent among Irish people.
To say 4 out of every 5 are Irish unemployed rather distorts the figure given that the population difference is not taken into account.

3851490 Irish Population
675791 Non Irish population.

Those are the rules. Very few non EU citizens are here on visas which allow them to stay without work or claim benefits.

Nick, I work in a maternity hospital. I meet people who shouldnt be here every single day who are still claiming welfare while the government tip toe around the issue for fear of being called racist.
I know foreign students here scamming the system too. I have reported some of them and nothing has been done.
The irish taxpayer is being screwed from all sides.

I’m certainly not saying that rules shouldn’t be enforced. What I’m saying is characterizing all students, even the majority as breaking the rules is ridiculous.

And where the racism accusations (I would assume) would come from is I think it’s laughable to assume the government will crack down on the Americans and Australians in Ireland illegally just as much as people from other states. It will never happen. Unless it did, the enforcement system would be a mockery.

me too Tommy, i know a few venezuelans still here after studying, working for cash. i’ve reported 2 already.
Some even manage to get the college stamp for their visa extension even though they’re no longer studying.
my mates ex was from pakistan and he was working 40-50 hour week but still a student AFTER 5 years!!!
Give me an immigration officers job, i’d clean up!

I’m baffled by the level of ignorance in the comments on this articles. Non EU nationals (unless here as a spouse or family member) are not entitled to benefit payments. EU nationals who have never worked in Ireland are only entitled to 6 months to a year of benefits by EU law.

EU nationals who have worked here for long enough (3 to 5 years) are treated similarly to Irish citizens. It’s really not that all these people are on the dole.

Glad someone making sense here Nick. COmpletely misleading article trying to stir up anti-foreigner sentiment. The Russians and Nigerians mentioned above do not get dole/social welfare, and that should certainly have been mentioned in the article!!!

This is the internet. It’s full of trolls, extremists and nutcases.

Maybe other countries should repatriate the 70 million Irish who left for economic reasons back to Ireland! As a country who have had the pleasure of migrating to other countries to work we are not very tolerant of the reverse.

Michael Browne

Irish went to European made political states that we helped found, design, build, fought and died for, we have every right to go to countries we were a part of helping to make. We did not go to Africa or Asia or other European countries in our 100s of 1000s and change the very nature of the population of those countries out of all recognition. We are a very small country and will be no longer be Irish in a very small amount of time.
There is no comparison with small amounts of Irish people going along with other Europeans to European made countries and Africans, Asians and large amounts of Eastern Europeans coming here.

Non Irish granted refugee status get dole ,houses ,cars integration money. Irish born children and parents to 2003 got dole and houses .Interesting to see what percentage are on welfare.

Aedín Clynes states that Nigerians are not on the dole ?? What about the 39% on the dole mentioned in the article . Did you read it !! Stand in a dole queue ..

I stand in a dole queue. It’s mainly white Irish Derrick, at least in my Intreo Centre. You’ll also find refugee’s are placed in accommodation in specific asylum centres, may receive up to 20 euro a week in personal welfare payments.

Over the last four years the applications for asylum is declining alot, (stats found at the office of refugee applications commissioner). Refugee figures stand approx 10,000 not of all which would be the working wage. Regardless those who are seeking or in asylum are not allowed to hold any paid employment.

There is an ignorant racism which seems to be rekindling, under false pretences and lack of education. I feel that the media are not portraying the situation in an objective fashion either, but rather stoking the coals in order to generate revenue.

Just a shade under twenty thousand coming for work vs seventy six thousand emigrating. Characterising immigration as a problem is simplistic at best.

It does however increase pressure on lower paid jobs as many migrants start off in their new countries at the bottom of the labour market before accessing employment appropriate to their skills. Perhaps better mechanisms for integration would be one way of easing the pressure at the lower end, to encourage this access sooner so that instead of 300 applicants for each of these jobs, the individuals in this 300 with other skills in other areas such as medicine, technology etc would be looking for appropriate employment. Perhaps the minimum wage could be stratified by industry to safeguard against wage erosion.

I share your concern that any constructive legislation will be slow to come if at all. The other issue is that the emerging economies of India,China and Brazil are leading the way in terms of job creation and the migration that has been essential to maintaining the workforce across the EU is slowly directing itself elsewhere. That will lead to problems down the line when the population has aged and there is no one of a suitable age to do the jobs that are left and create the money to pay pensions. Surely now is the time to be investing in appropriate education and promoting new industries in Ireland.

Fine response. Nice one.

Spot on 100% Fagan, many fools can’t really grasp that and its these fools who are also feeling it.

Cafe-en-seine Socialists, like that one.

Yes, old RC church out, new multicult church in. Same snobbery and clambering for social standing and who can outdo the other in the pillar of society stakes. I am more anti-racist than you….no, I am more multicult than you. It is the new religion, the new piety, the new holier-than-thou-ness.

Limited people never change.

What if that rate is higher?

All economic migrants should be repatriated to their own country……..
Ireland is going to be rather crowded, isn’t it?

You do know non EU nationals aren’t entitled to claim benefits by the terms of their visas, right?

By this logic…I suppose you think any non-irish nationals from out the EU paying taxes… should pay taxes at the rates in their own country too…go figure!

The rate won’t be higher, no fear of that.

Why? The obviously qualify for Jobseekers’ Benefit/Allowance as a result of their having paid PRSI contributions.

Michael – I doubt Nigeria pay more than we do…!!!

@peedoff, of all the comments you choose to respond to, you respond to that one?! You haven’t a clue!

As has been said, if they haven’t contributed, they won’t receive. Unlike for our own natives, it’s rather difficult and awkward to become one if you’re not Irish.

After working here for years and paying our tax rates doing the crap jobs you don’t want to do, now you don’t want to give them the benefits they are untitled to smacks of racism

Dean, in much of Europe, 80% of your last salary is paid in dole for 2 years.
So for most people the Dole here would be a fraction of European levels.

So…peeedoff….you want my tax but you don’t want to pay if i don’t work. i bet you’re one of those who milk the system and never worked a second in his life.

More racist tripe. Give it a rest. Even if you can’t understand the fact that anyone on social welfare in Ireland is entitled to their payments because they’re legally resident here and have mostly built up entitlements by working, dot you not realize how many of “our people” have been dispersed around the world by this crisis? Less of the racist abuse please.

And sent back to where they came from!

The truth is that non nationals on the dole here have jumped from 30,000 in 2006 to 80,000 now, last week the immigration centre wanted 30,000 illegal immigrants given Irish citizenship because they had 4000 signatures. Why is it considered racism to question this?

how can they be paid the same rate as in their countries when they pay taxes here while working? ??

Except the story didn’t say all those 80,000 were on the dole. Did you actually read the report?

To Nick Beard about 80,000 non nationals are on the dole . Stand in a dole queue .

Actually I will just point out that the last census showed 766k non nationals living here. So based on these figures 400k of these are kids?

“If you are a non – EEA national you must have a valid immigration status in order to be eligible for a social welfare payment. If you are an employment permit holder and you terminated your employment involuntarily you may be eligible for contribution based payments if you have paid sufficient PRSI contributions.” – MRCI

People of “African descent” as you put it could also (shock horror!) have actually been born in Ireland!

What would happen I wonder if the UK decided to send us back all the Irish people claiming social welfare over there or who are clogging up their prisons?

Fon Ellard
Born in Ireland. Yes the anchor people who came here fully preggers knowing the loophole in our immigration control system. Soemthing they took advantage of and the Irish people were taken by surpirse on. This policy was never brought to the Irish people, we were never consulted nor asked about it. So being born here under those fraudulant circumstances does not make them Irish.

Irish people have a distinct ancestral and cultural heritage, and no modern piece of paper, especially one brought about without our consent, and under EU pressure directives (not the sovereign Irish people) can change that.

As for Irish in Britain, British and Irish are closely related ancestrally and culturally, there is no question of us changing the nature of those 2 aspects of the unique character of the British people out of all recognition, we are related and from the same family tree. Most Irish people in UK are not on welfare or in jail in the same proportions as immigrants are here.
Any comparison with like ancestral and cultural peoples moving in small numbers to their cousin countries is invalid to Africans, Asians and east europeans moving in overwhelming large numbers that change the very nature of our populations and culture out of all recognition. Your comparison is invalid.

good comment its not been racist to have veiws like this u have to look after your own first we Would not get payments in oz or america

I can’t believe I just read that rant, thanks for wasting my time Alison…

We can always count on your narrow-minded comments to be concise, Dean

Good point Dean, very realistic, not narrow minded… good God Alison, open your eyes, they’re fleecing the state.

Alison, unfortunately your reasonable and informed comment is drowning amongst the depressing, ill-informed bile that this article seems to have stirred up.

Well said Alison. The inaccuracy of the the use of the misnomer ‘non-national’ in the headline is enough to realise that the point of this article is far more sinister than lazy and irresponsible journalism.

How many more of your friends do you require to agree with you Alison or are you content with two?

Alison I also feel it was a low end article designed to attract the type of comments that it has. The personal jibes being levelled at the commentators like yourself who are making well thought through points show that a reactionary right wing piece will attract low brow red neck readers.

Pathetic, Dean, regarding your suggestion that I know Alison. I do not know Alison. I just happen to agree with her. Is this not to be tolerated in your wonderful world?

@ Dean Pritchard – surprised your profiler doesn’t include a pillow case to be honest.

Rochford….another good old indigenous Irish name. Get real people…we’re all immigrants to this country…. Some just arrived earlier than others. Immigrants will be the ones that’ll kick start the economy again…

Yes, apparently even the ones who don’t qualify for benefits are fleecing the dole!

Well said, Alison. Trashy ‘journalism’.

We’re all very highly strung over the dole, especially the very High and mighty!

Social welfare has not released figures for non nationals who are unemployed.
The length of time unemployed . I think this would make interesting reading.
Stand in a dole queue .

another one who milks the system and never worked a second of his life.

Is it not fact that they are in jobs that Irish people are looking for, and is it not fact that they are now on Irish dole, increasing pressure for Irish people, is this not a fact?

Yes I agree, factual arcticles should not be condoned, they give the journal a bad name.

I think journal.ie have been taking swipes at all aspects of society over the last while. Doing all the kite-flying for the likes of Varadkar etc. Call centre guy on minimum wage, you’re up next!

Sure the journal is only good to you when not publishing facts that go against your own world view. It is only righteous when publishing articles about the ‘coolness’ of your multicult and immigration, isn’t that right. And it is only good when people who make comments contrary to your world view are censored and shut up. Brainwashed much, thought controlling others much?

And the Irish you see driving to collect their payments?

@ Tony: what we do here is our business, and our business only. its our country. it never ceases to amaze me the amount of criticism that comes into this country. “why is it like this?” “why do you have this in ireland and not this?”
i don’t f**king know, go ask our government. One thing we don’t do is go to other countries and complain.
Who gives a f**k what we do here, how much we earn etc, its none of their business. The amount of times i’ve been asked by a non-national “how much do you earn?” i mean c’mon, you wouldn’t even ask your best mate that!

I asked a question which I hoped would prompt the thought that the impression turning up in a car to collect any benefit should be the same whether you are an Irish national or not. You’re rant is misdirected.

I am struggling to see why it is that someone would point it out as a bad thing for one group but not the other.

An awful lot of these comments are based on assumptions – The census is about unemployed – and not about those collecting benefits. Also, those who came here, worked and paid PRSI can often be claiming jobseekers benefit, based on their PRSI payment.

I’m not saying that this is right one way or the other but if anyone who works in the country they pay PRSI. If they pay it, they are entitled to make use of the purposes it is paid, which includes jobseeker’s benefit.

*Your*

Damn those “French and the Germans want to stifle those” because that’s what their electorate want!

Why can’t we get rid of that blantant populism of having elections! It’s appalling! Imagine, anyone could get into Power! Even those with the wrong beliefs.
Far better to decide over cigars and brandy behind closed doors, like the EU does it.

Or possibly we could keep the two best bits of the EU and shed the nonsense bits that would help the long term success of the countries in Europe.

If I could like this comment as many times as we’ve been f@€ked over by our ‘elite’ I would!

@ Kerron, that was about the only intelligent comment I’ve seen on this non story. Must be lots of Daily Mail readers on here.

Kerron,

I am neither left nor right wing. But you are extreme left. You think it ok to just focus on the banks and not any other societal problems. Multiculturalism and it’s social engineering program of forced immigration upon this sovereign people is probably even more serious.
We could solve the international debt slavery system in the morning, but immigration into this country is a destruction of the Irish people and is already having serious harmful effects on the Irish people and nation that is irreversible. You have blood and suffering of Irish people on your hands for supporting multiculturalism and immigration.

Your so right, in OZ new zealanders can work in oz no visa restrictions pay taxes but if your out of work tough no welfare entitlements. The same goes for any Irish living here too unless you have PR and have passed the 2 year waiting period and your not getting PR if your not a skilled worker to fill a position in Australia.

Irish went to European made political states that we helped found, design, build, fought and died for, we have every right to go to countries we were a part of helping to make. We did not go to Africa or Asia or other European countries in our 100s of 1000s and change the very nature of the population of those countries out of all recognition. We are a very small country and will be no longer be Irish in a very small amount of time.
There is no comparison with small amounts of Irish people going along with other Europeans to European made countries and Africans, Asians and large amounts of Eastern Europeans coming here.

Irish and other western Europeans are extremely closely related both ancestrally and culturally, there is no question of a massive change to our ancestral and cultural norms from people who we were originally related to on the European landmass.
Comparing that to African and Asian influx, is absurd. We have no connections to these populations whatsoever other than being human, both as far as the survival and preservation of our culture and ancestral heritage goes, it spells disaster.

This should apply to all.

They can take you along as well.

Pritchard….another good indigenous Irish name!

@John O’Neill
What?? Dean Pritchard’s a great name! Oh well, check out the movie Old School when you get a chance. Classic!

Irish and other western Europeans are extremely closely related both ancestrally and culturally, there is no question of a massive change to our ancestral and cultural norms from people who we were originally related to on the European landmass.
Comparing that to African and Asian influx, is absurd. We have no connections to these populations whatsoever other than being human, both as far as the survival and preservation of our culture and ancestral heritage goes, it spells disaster.

sadly as long as they don’t gain any assets and remain completely dependent on state they will continue to be supported indefinitely, those who know how the system word know that if you spend everything you are given you will be able to keep getting indefinitely. Protections put in place for truly needy are being exploited daily by large amounts of people, our system is completely broken

Wow, for a nation with your history you’re all so very, very ignorant towards people that have had to go through the ordeal of immigrating! If the American, Australian, English or Canadian news ran something like this you’d all be up in arms calling it discriminatory. Its shameful.

Abbie, the difference is we have worked everywhere we went! SOME of these people are simply here for the benefits. I knew of a nigerian family that where taking in nearly a grand a week in benefits between them and not one drop of work been done by any of them and no intention to do any! We do not mind people that come here and give something towards the economy but come to ireland to sponge get back on the boat/plane!

At Joe Hunter,(a good Irish Name by the way!!), I’d love you to arrange for me to meet with this Nigerian family that you know well enough to know they take in a grand a week, so that I can check the veracity of your story. You spoofer…….you’ll probably tell us next that the man of the house told you this because you’re best drinking buddies…..though somehow that doesn’t ring true.
You’re just one of the many liars spreading untrue gossip about immigrant groups…..

@Abbie. Not all of us. These stories bring out the riff raff.

Ahh John, I can see by the way you referred to my name that you are probably a bit of a bigot,

Lets do the maths because I doubt your capable yourself

Mother and father claiming (@ 2011 rate €188) – €376pw

Son & his wife claiming (@ 2011 rate €188) – €376pw

The fathers brother & Wife (@ 2011 rate €188) – €376pw

That’s a total of €1128pw

Are you keeping up or am I going to fast ?

Now add a couple living in shard accommodation for rent supplement which is €200 per month x 3 = €600 per month

Can you manage the rest of the maths.

They were able to claim this because they where able to prove that they worked in an EU State.

I know this because I rented them the house they are living in and I would have known when they got work because they would have had there benefits suspended. That was 2 years ago and speaking with my former employer they are still there and still on benefits.

And why do you begrudge Nigerians more than EU nationals?

Nick i dont i just dont like spongers of any nationality, irish, english polish whatever!!! As i stated in my origional post i dont mind if you come to ireland as long as you contribute to the country not become part of its problem!

And before the rest of you kick of by spongers i mean people who have no interest in working not people who are actively seeking work or sick or single parents that cant

@Joe Hunter
Unfortunately I agree. I’ve worked with plenty of talented and well-educated Nigerians, who I’m fortunate to call friends. But I also rent out to Nigerians who don’t work, nor do they have any intentions on doing so.

Each race has its good and bad I’m afraid.

Joe, I met an African woman with 14 kids a few weeks back and another pregnant with her 9th. Neither women worked and neither did their husbands. They contributed nothing to society and cost the tax pater thousands every month.

You look at the statistics on the CSO website .There is a whole section devoted to travellers and the numbers on the dole 85% . Yes shocking but you do not get people complaining of racism on the publication of such figures.
How is it that if you mention anything even slightly negative about Africans you are branded racist.
Do we feel guilty that African countries are in a shambles and we must help them to such an extent.
We never had colonies so we are not to blame for their exploitation.
They are racist too.I worked with Africans found them aggressive rude and devious.

Finbar, All EU countries pay the dole to all EU citizens for a specified time only and no country differentiate between citizens and EU nationals ( it is in fact illegal). Ireland is an EU exception as they don’t set the time limit. The matter regarding cheaper workforce from EU is a classical example of capitalism and supply and demand principle. They are cheaper and possibly more efficient so employers favour them , i see absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you were the employer you would be doing the same thing. Your comments regarding the Irish working in Poland and Europe is exaggerated. My partner ( Irish) teaches English in Poland and loves every minute of it, goes out every night etc I know a lot of Irish people working all over EU and no one has had any serious issues. You cant have only benefits of EU membership and it applies to every country. If not for EU, Ireland would be a poor country today. Besides , how many Irish people do you know who would settle for a job in Spar? Probably not many coz the dole pays just about as much, those bloody non nationals work there to serve ya your breakfast roll before work! I work in finance , got the job through my knowledge and qualification ( first class honours degree) and not my passport

There was also a site in Australia pointing out that Irish need not apply as well. Irony of fate, the advert was published by an Irish employer based there.

or restrict the no’s that are coming in, there is still very large numbers coming in to a severely depressed economy. Why is this, how does it benefit any worker here. Get the people off the dole and working where ever their from. Until the immigration rate is based, like most countries on reality and need. Much of the policy now is driven by a fear of being called racist. Better for the D4 brigade let thousands of immigrants rot on the dole with the rest, rather than risk that.

@ Fagan: It’s Shattter and Co’s great scheme of things to dumb us down, get rid of us – we’re a cost. look upon it as cost cutting in business replacing it with a more efficient cheaper model. the rich get richer and the poor get yea thats right. Get rid of Shatter and his gang at the next election.

Well said.

Frank,

The Irish never had a say about immigration, and were lied to about leaving our borders open to all other EU countries. The policy is illegal and those who promoted it and supported it are liable to prosecution for treason. Just as the bankers are.

So no, you are not as entitled as any Irish person is, this was a state in which the indigenous people and their descendants fought for the entitlement of unfettered access to the resources of this land, for themselves and their children and descendants, not any other. You have your own country, it is up to you and your people to fight like we had to, for whatever imprvements you want.

Mass immigration is a policy of the super rich.

Are you that stupid to still believe illegals here are collecting the dole!!!! What a pity. I can’t understand how you could have dared thought of an illegal foreign national in Ireland going anywhere near the authorities(any of them), without being unmasked and hence increase their chances of being removed from this country!

The comment wasn’t posted twice but was submitted twice due to my thumb clicking twice inadvertently on the “submit” button twice.
Now, your reply is just irrelevant to my comment(s).

Where were all the Nigerians before Fianna Fail increased the dole ten fold? Can’t remember too many been here in the 80′s or 90′s
Changes to the constitution as part of the Good Friday agreement in 1998 opened the door and provided a loop hole that once they had a child born here the parents and immediate family were automatically entitled to an Irish passport, the constitution was amended in 2004 to close this loop hole but it was too little too late. An interesting question would be how many Nigerians in Ireland actually came here legally?, i.e. applied for a visa? I’d say less than 5%. I’ve no problem with Immigration in fact it can improve a society, what bothers me is the scheming and lengths some of these people went to get around the rules that were in place for a reason!

John, what society has benefited from immigration? Please dont say the US, Canada, etc as their native populations have been destroyed thanks to immigration. Time to put our own first and those who dont have a job should be sent home.

As an American transplant, I’d agree if you’re talking about the native Americans being screwed over by immigrants. Otherwise, immigrants to America are (in the majority at least) people doing backbreaking work for disgustingly low pay to try to give their children a better life.

As I’m guessing you’re Irish, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Immigrants, including Irish ones, made America a better place, they didn’t take away our culture.

Nick,all migrants to the US decimated the ‘Real’ American culture but if youre happy with modern American culture then good for you but being Irish, my culture is rich and vast. Id like to keep it that way thanks so I’ll stay here. You can always go home to US culture if thats your preference but mine is my own.

“Real” American culture? What, the cavalier landowners in the 1700s or the New England Puritans? So I’m again going to assume you’re talking about the decimation of the native American population.

And if Irish culture is unable to withstand other people, you’re in trouble. I have a bit more faith in than that.

Nick Beard

Immigration to America destroyed the white european solutrean indigenous natives, then later Europeans destroyed the Oriental American cultures. Immigration destroys. The US was built upon European migrants, it was a second founding poltical European made entity.

Ireland is not the US, we were already a settled, native indigenous people, we are not a country of migrants of peoples from around the world. You are talking about the destruction of the Irish people and culture.

Look at this this way ,many came here illegally and by devious means now claim welfare with a grin.
They laugh at this countries stupidity.

Germany pay the dole for 12 month to all unemployed ( German and non German) France is exactly the same. Check ur facts first, regarding free movement of eu workers it is the main principle of EU and it is not gonna change unless EU collapses. Some comments here are absolutely outrageous…. Gainfully employed German Citizen

You get Unemployment Insurance for 12 months then Unemployment Assistance like here . See link
http://www.toytowngermany.com/wiki/Unemployment_benefits

i think that the journal is fast becoming a place for bigotry. i suppose, given the open nature of the forum that this is almost inevitable. it is a shame really as the journal is a good idea and the ability to comment is too.

but i use the journal less and less now because i have no interest in reading the kind of commentary that is becoming all to commonplace here

i would be inlcined to agree that the journal itself is invting this kind of involvment with some of the headlines and some of the articles. but there you go. good while it lasted but going nowhere unless oemthing is done to address these issues before they ruin things altogether

I don’t think it’s fair to say the journal has a right wing agenda… There have been loads of editorial pieces in the last while on pro choice, gay marriage etc. Fair to say there are some shockingly ignorant right wing comments on here, but you can’t blame the journalists for those

Sure the journal is only good to you when not publishing facts that go against your own world view. It is only righteous when publishing articles about the ‘coolness’ of your multicult and immigration, isn’t that right. And it is only good when people who make comments contrary to your world view are censored and shut up. Brainwashed much, thought controlling others much?

I know did you ever here such rubbish because the Irish that left to foreign lands did so with the dream of living on the dole someplace else. People came to Ireland in the boom lined their pockets. Paying taxes was their duty to have the chance to earn money in Ireland. It was not to bank up credits for when times went bad. That is how NZ & OZ governments put it. If you have no job tough!!!

That depends on what is being studied and to what level. Also, any non-EU resident studying in Ireland will need to be either very wealthy/ well subsidised by their own country or spend a lot of time working to pay for fees, food, accommodation etc.

I’m a non-EU student in my seventh year of studying in Ireland and the UK (undergrad in Ireland, advanced degrees in the UK).

I’m simply going for a higher degree and have received no social welfare payment of any kind, I’m contributing to the economy here. What on earth is wrong with that?

Nick Beard

Nothing Nick, no problem with a very few staying, but most should go home and then put into their own countries the skills they picked up here, it might just help solve 3rd world poverty.

30% of German nationals are originally from Turkey and roughly 25 % of French are migrants from Africa and Muslim countries, many of those on welfare, grow up Finbar :) seriously

And Turks in Germany will always be Turks and Africans in France will always be Africans. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment.
Time to cop on and exploit our tourist industry. Tourists want Irish culture not Nigerians and Poles on the dole.
Its time to have some pride in ourselves and our own abilities and learn from the mess that is England these days.
They made a mess of immigration. We are doing exactly the same for fear of being called racists.

Absolutely. Wish people would stop using the term non-national incorrectly. If you must, use non-Irish national or foreign-national.

Actually the report makes no use of the term non-nationals, this is only used in this article. The CSO uses the term “non-irish” so the 80,000 stated at the beginning of the article includes people from other EU countries. Scaremongering perhaps?

It’s also worth noting that of the 47,000 of working age that entered the country in the last year, this includes over 9000 irish nationals and a similar of number of people coming to study. And many went non-irish went straight into the workforce in highly skilled areas, IT for example, where there are a skills deficit. And there was a substantial number of the non-irish that were retired or listed as carers i.e. not unemployed.

The numbers and terms used in this piece are misleading to say the least.

why should we mention oru own Irish people in our own Irish country of IRELAND

Toorkeel, for use of the racist terms “Roma” and “Nigerians” in your comment, you can kiss your Olympic dreams goodbye……

Ehh, how do you refer to people from Nigeria if the word “Nigerian” is racist??? How do you refer to a group of people known as Roma’s if the word “Roma” is racist?
I have decided I object to being called Irish, please find another descriptive word for people of my nationality.

You must be Abu Hamza’s right hand man….sorry right hook man…

So its racist to call a Nigerian a Nigerian now

Can’t see anything particularly noteworthy about the statistic or any reason to hide it. Maybe I’m missing something?

It’s not the article in itself that is racist, but the comments are something else … as the author intended.

Irish Times article posted at 13:15 and TheJournal at 13:31!!!
That was rather quick. Guess there was no time to report on all the facts that has been published by the CSO.

You are 100% correct. No way would I ever work in McDonalds or cleaning toilets.

Thats a myth that Irish will not do these jobs, a decent man or woman will do any kind of work to put food on table and keep a roof over their families heads. Who do you think did these jobs before we had mass immigration to this country?

John, how many of your friends are applying for toilet cleaning jobs?

Ah yes the other far-left and D4 new multicult church state religion dictat no.3.4.

They did the jobs the Irish did not want to do.

Jobs like, luas drivers, dublin bus drivers, bus eireann drivers, train drivers, security door men, shop security men, post office workers, dhl etc delivery drivers, grocery and small supermarket workers (jobs valued before by many part-time Irish workers, students, and retired older people could do and did do). The fallacy of the far-left and new multicult state religion never ceases to amaze.

Btw, in my local McDonals more than half are Irish people working there, and it is a joy to deal with them, they are bright and bubbly and good humoured. And I wish them every success. They thoroughly deserve it. And we deserve to be consulted and asked what we want, re: immigration and this multicult state brainwashing religion.

None because there are no toilet cleaning jobs .

And the Irish Times are reporting it too!
Has there been a coup!?
Are there Nazis under your bed?

@Ruth You’re dead right. This current piece of “news” can definitely be compared to that of the Irish Times.
Maybe you’ve read only the headline in the Irish Times, but not the article itself. You’d have noticed the difference. Correct me if am wrong, I think in the Irish Times’ article there’s only one paragraph on the current topic, while the journal has converted this same small paragraph into a whole article.

What job???

Is that not a fact?

My point is that todays Europe is multinational and you dont seemto be able to come to terms with it

Finbar, the Turks came into Germany in the 60′s or 70′s and later. The first world war ended in 1918. In WW 2 they joined the allies on last days of the war. Where did you get your history lesson?

Lukaksz

Europe was always multinational and had far more diversity of each nation being different than today, where every country now looks more and more the same.

Nobody asked us about whether or not we wanted this new multicult state brainwashing religion and its policies of mass immigration. It is bad, harmful and destructive, and we can say no to this backward policy, on to the future and progress by halting and reversing this madness. You deal with that Lukasz

Every country looks more the same thanks to Globalisation. We get more influence from the UK and the US. If you wanted a source as to the decline of a national identity, there you go.

I rest my case…

Finbar has a capital ” F “. Perhaps if you capitalised Finbar, you wouldn’t have to chew yourself up hating that Pole/Nigerian whoever, and their evil spawn, who, because of their qualifications and experience and, probably, their command of three or four languages, got that interview ahead of you. Imagine…. Easy I hope, hope how the American, Brit, Aussie feels when an Irishman gets a job ahead of them….And by the way, I believe the original spelling is Finbarr.

John, the Americans and Aussies dont let the Irish in unless they have a shortage of people with a required skill.

Finbar m, they can be talking about it but it is never gonna happen, what really surprises me is the fact that there are by far more Irish people living all over the world than in Ireland and they all want to be entitled to the same level of benefits (rightly so) as citizens of those countries, yet the Irish in Ireland seem to have a problem with legitimate Eu nationals settling down here, it can only be described as utter ignorance but well some people are just knobs (all over the world)

Lukasz Windak

Firstly you are incorrect, there are not far more Irish people living all over the world.
1) you are talking about Irish descendants to European made countries like the US and Oz, these people regard themselves as Americans of Irish descent, not Irish natives.
2) we did not go to African or Asian or Eastern European countries and change the nature of their populations out of all recognition, you are talking about the destruction of the Irish people and culture. It only takes a small amount of immigration to end the population of 4.5million Irish.

Irish went to European made political states that we helped found, design, build, fought and died for, we have every right to go to countries we were a part of helping to make. We did not go to Africa or Asia or other European countries in our 100s of 1000s and change the very nature of the population of those countries out of all recognition. We are a very small country and will be no longer be Irish in a very small amount of time.
There is no comparison with small amounts of Irish people going along with other Europeans to European made countries and Africans, Asians and large amounts of Eastern Europeans coming here.

This has set a cat and mouse game in operation. You come here seek asylum say you came from Greece act .
The electronic fingerprint machines have not been put into operation for over 2 years industrial dispute.
There is no real co operation with the UK on the issue of first country not mention the EU. Dublin Convention ?
The single procedure to shorten waiting times for asylum seekers has been put off for 2 years.
So when you are shopping around for a country with a nice welfare and loopholes .

R.I.P
Choose Ireland