Bang on Wolfgang. It’s funny, ad soon as a poll shows an alleged spike in SF’s support, the Shinnerbots are all over it like a bad rash. When a poll states there is a decline in support for SF, the bots are screaming that polls are not to be trusted or believed. Thankfully the Irish electorate can see through their manure….

Where did that happen? Is that another Fine Gael illusion?

Read above posts Tim. I have to say I’m looking forward to and hoping for a spectacular one liner from Prince Philip when Her Majesty Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, and of Her other Realms and Territories, Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith meets Martin the wolf in sheeps clothing, bomber of the innocents, member of the Army Council, liar.

http://www.thejournal.ie/support-for-coalition-parties-down-but-up-for-sinn-fein-and-fianna-fail-449270-May2012/

Again, genuinely embarrassed for SF celebrating the results there and now questioning the integrity of the very same survey now because it doesn’t suit them. Although reason and logic seems to escape those who support that … “party” … most of the time.

Agree, Wolfgang & Toorkeel. Anyway – the only real poll is the result of a General Election.

Unsecured, ‘unguaranteed’ bondholder payments.

“Unsecured”, that is, not secured against specific assets, “unguaranteed”, that is not covered by the September 2008 Irish Bank guarantee or its extensions. Fine Gael will pay €1.1 bn next week to unsecured bondholders.
Quit trying to change the subject Wolfgang, toorkeel and Declan. Your commentary displays no relevance; no context; and thus no sense!

Tim, you asked “Where did that happen?”, got an answer you didn’t like and decided to discharge some unrelated bull sh1t about bondholders. You then sat there and accused others of irrelevant discussion?

Everything so far has been relevant to the article we’re commenting on, except for the crazy rantings you’ve posted in reply to almost every comment about something that has nothing to do with the article.

Get a grip.

I’m sorry to burst your bubble but Sinn Fein have credible alternatives to the handover of 32% GDP to Bondholders.

Rich and wealthy people oppose Sinn Fein because they are running out of offshore bank accounts to hide their money. Why should ordinary Irish people be forced to fill the tax gap for the rich who don’t pay any tax?

That was selfish thinking and now you will soon have to pay your fair share.

Tim, that sort of comment rather ignores the fact that it’s *ordinary* people that aren’t voting SF. 84%: that’s the percentage of Irish people not voting SF even when SF is the only political party on a platform of cutting taxes and increasingly public services.

Maybe in your world 84% of the electorate are wealthy elitists with offshore bank accounts, but *in the real world*…

Peter,

Yeah, if one believes in superstition. We all know the rich cannot hide for much longer. It will be interesting to see this new chapter of Ireland unfold. So far, no one has changed the main drivers of decline, bondholder payments and tax breaks. Where was this call for austerity when Kenny was squandering the futures of our kids and grandkids on his “jobs initiative”? If you conservatives would just PAY for those bloated civil servants and tax give-aways, we’d be in good shape.

Tim Jackson. nCapitulation is difficult to stomach. nWolfgang Weisen is way ahead of you in his conclusions and reasoning. nI would be one of the first to depart this country if sinn fein got to power.

Yeah stupid to vote for sinn fein

Well the criminals and traitors of FF are still only at 18%, virtually the same as GE11 18 mths ago. That is not a comeback , that is just flat lining.

This poll will be taken by all with a dash of nothing to see here. For FF, it means no renewal but core still holds, long term viability still in question. Labour, will Thank God they are still in Mid Teens, ULA/INDO’s can say we’re not going to vaish anytime soon. Shinners will dislike drop, but it is only 1 poll and they seem to be going from strength to strength in org. and performance. FG chuffed that early 30′s seems to be new home.

@ Alex Simon

Your definition of “stupid” remains abstract.

Considering the €1.1 billion un-secured bond payment next week, these “stupid” people continue to support Fine Gael’s mafiosi.

@ Tim and sinn fein have been consistent is showing they are incapable of doing any better.. We would end up the Venezuela of europe with them in government

As opposed to the laughing stock of Europe.

@ Alex Simon

Oh please! You know …. if I hired someone to turn around my tanking sales and the best they could come up with after 1 year is to blame the guy before them …. I’d fire them!!! Unlike how blueshirts prefer to think, it’s about performance. In this world, there are winners and loosers. You either produce results, or, you’re replaced.

no way, dont vote for any of these products of a ridiculous system, check out the irish democratic party, sinn fein have no one to blame but themselves

Three more years of Kenny and the country will be in armageddon.

****€1.1 bn un-secured bond payment next week under Fine Gael***

KENNY FOR EX-TAOISEACH 2012.

(throws eyes to heaven and slaps hand against forehead)nnn Tim you’re right I’m sure nnAnd all those sensible suggestions you made for alternatives will take us all ages to analyse !!!!!!nn

Dave,

As for Fine Gael, we’ll talk in three years on whether or not they made a good choice. Here are some things you just know in advance, like don’t jump off a cliff, don’t drive your car into a brick wall, don’t swim with sharks, don’t elect a school teacher as a taoiseach.

Hey Dave any sign of an apology to the Irish people from the criminals in Fine Gael, that defrauded the irish tax payer of hundreds of thousands for over 9 years. Shame on anyone who votes for these lawbreakers.

Dave Looney …
Mmmm… Common Criminals…………
Michael Lowry
Charlie Haughey
Ray McSharry
Bertie Ahern
Liam Lawlor
Which one of them is in SF ??

@martin @dec I haven’t shown any allegiance to any party in this discussion and I am no denying the dodgy past / present of the like of LAB / FF & FG .. what I was trying to get to was the the notion that SF are purporting to be the credible alternative in irish politics exhibiting higher morals and levels of integrity.

However, as I pointed out when their leader denies his ‘colorful’ past and some of the newer generation of the party have been found out the are proving they are just as untrustworthy as the rest of the rougues that have milked kildare street for their own benefits.

Forgot to add this the reason I dont trust them or pay attention to them.

Obviously you never studied statistics either try googling standard deviation and margin of error in relation to sample sizes. 1000 respondents is a perfectly acceptable sample size in overall proportion to the size of the electorate. If you don’t understand something try reading up on it instead of arbitrarily dismissing it as some form of witch craft

I have

No I havent studied statistics. I was going to get a book on the subject just out of interest but was to busy with a engineering math book that reminded me of a cavity brick in weight and size.

I have too. So that’s two people now just off of one comment from you.

FG seem like self loathing individuals with pretty nothing positive to say about anything that affects their blaoted cash cow.

FINE GAEL recently sanctioned an extra €27,000 expenses to ministers.

FINE GAEL are about to handover €1.1 bn to Bank Bondholders next week:

This is equivalent to theamount of new taxes raised in 2012. So in one day, we will be handing over all our new taxes to “speculators”.

FG seem like self loathing individuals with pretty nothing positive to say about anything that affects their bloated cash cow.

FINE GAEL recently sanctioned an extra €27,000 expenses to ministers.

FINE GAEL are about to handover €1.1 bn to Bank Bondholders next week:

This is equivalent to the amount of new taxes raised in 2012. So in one day, we will be handing over all our new taxes to “speculators”.

@TimnGet back to ALDI. The real adults who haven’t got budgets from fairyland have to figure this out…

Tim. If that information you’ve given pertained to Sinn Féin there’d be blue murder. But instead because it’s nice respectable blue shirted and tied Fine Gael you get the thumb bashing from hell. I despair at times re the electorate in this country. It’s said we get the government we deserve. What about our children. Are they getting the debt they deserve?

I have taken part in RedC polls, unfortunately none of them have been about politics.

Probably Fine Gael supporters in disguise.

Ireland will sink much quicker under Kenny than it would under Adams.

The rich are running out of places to hide…

Hide from who? For a moment I thought I was in Stalin’s Russia. . .

Tim Jackson. nYour comment must be viewed from a comical angle. nOr are you indeed serious?!nThe day sinn fein gets to the helm will be the day all investors will pull out of Ireland. nThis country will be a desolate one.

@ Stray Mutt

You think investors would pull out? Ireland will be forced to increase corporation tax under Kenny’s mafiosi. Kenny is willing to sell Ireland’s financial sovereignty to Europe. So why are you blaming the opposition? It’s Kenny you should be directing that towards.

Stray Mutt

(and off topic, sorry) I’m really curious to know what is with the “n” at the beginning of every sentence?

He doesn’t need to step aside. He has good debate skills, honesty, and does a much better productive job than intellects like Kenny, Gilmore or Martin. We need Mr. Adams. There is a snobby middle class who need to shake-up.

Cheers for that, Tim. I needed a laugh.

Gerry “I’ve Never Been In The IRA” Adams honest ?!! Jaysus !!!

@ Declan Carroll

Is that all you got???? Man, come hard and strong (under relevant and constitutional constructs) or stay at home!! Weren’t you the one, in a previous bit of commentary blather, who stated that we needed a general election? Well, ‘Oh Great Scholar’ I say bring it on.

G’day, Tim. Let me clarify my comment re the result of a Gen Election being the only result that matters. What is an opinion poll only a brief snapshot at any given time taken from a random number of people on any given subject. 1000 people doesn’t represent the entire electorate on this & any other matter. I am no fan & supporter of SF & I agree with the commentator who said that SF will never be taken seriously here along as Adams & Co are in the picture. I also agree with the comment that SF speak one thing in the ROI & another in NI. SF don’t impress me any at all. If you are a SF supporter, fair play to you. You are entitled to that & I accept that. As regard the comment that Mr Adams is “honest” is a comment I disagree with. I personally detest him with a passion. His time to move on has long since passed & if SF wish to be taken seriously here in the ROI, they also need to drop the old guard & move on.

@ Declan Carroll

I’m sure the readers here will take your views as superior to the impending collapse of FG & LAB. Confused chronology do not make a logic good. That’s why learning history is of the essence when trying to gather some logic.

When a society rewards no effort and takes from those who make an effort, that society will go downhill and die. A lot of people won’t recognize that until the sky falls on them.

Dave. There were two recent issues worth addressing. Inkgate is running out of steam at this stage. Worth mentioning that I’m glad it’s all you’ve got to talk about re Sinn Féin from the past year. It amounted to €50k. A lot more has been siphoned off the tax payer by Fine Gael TDs. And Pearse Doherty’s expense fiddle was up on his website for the whole world to see. Hardly trying to deceive. Had he been a member of FiannaGaeLab he’d have had plenty advisors advising him how to employ the wife, cousins etc without it getting noticed. Worth mentioning also that the 2 people he employed were not members of the Sinn Féin party.

@réada .. you say that Inkgate has ran out of steam .. ah sure it was only €50k .. what does it matter .. that is my point exactly .. brush it under the carpet. Anyway, my bigger grip with that individual TD is the company he keeps – remember the balaclavas, fake garda uniforms etc in the car with the election posters ?

As for Pearse Doherty, he claimed TRAVEL expenses and then decided that he was in a position to decide how and where that could be spent when he didn’t require the TRAVEL expenses .. that is the sense of entitlement that the other parties have been harboring for generations and is what SF claim to be against.

No, it’s a wind-up.

Common sense prevails

I’m not sure how a raise in support for Fine Gael constitutes as common sense. To each their own I guess.

@ Séan

It suggests some Irish people are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

Nah nah nah nah nah :D

At last David — its good to see you are acting your age :O))

Nonsense….. you sound like a blueshirt. So I wouldn’t buy any of your ideas.

Sesal. I don’t agree with their policies but their right to be in politics is called Democracy. They were voted in !!

Just goes to show how bad things are! Support the least crooked! What a Kip this country is! I’m ashamed to be Irish!

Because Fine Gael supporters would go into an aggressive snit. The Irish seem very slow to change until it affects their cash cow. They did that under FF and now FG is headig the same path. The Irish people remain placid until it hits the fan.

Why are people afraid of voting Sinn Fein? To date, nobody has given any sane answer other than the intellect rejoinder “because my parents voted for the traditional party line”. One has to look inside the mentality of the Irish electorate.

People aren’t “afraid” of voting for Sinn Fein, they’re just smarter than to.

The rest of the parties may not be great, but SF offers nothing positive to this country.

@ Wolfgang Weisen

What you write is utter tosh. Off course, ill-informed are always the other ones (you). May I correct your false perception that SF wouldn’t offer anything positive. The naked truth is that SF DO. The Irish state is teetering on the verge of a second bailout under Enda Kenny. FG have always protected and will always protect their interests only. Enda Kenny doesn’t give a sh#t about Ireland or its future. People are seeing that too and Kenny cannot be gone soon enough.

Oh? People are seeing that too? Is that why this poll shows a drop in support for SF and an increase in support for FG? Because more people dislike FG than ever?

As of this poll, FG have TWICE the support SF do and are supported by almost 1 in 3 people. Does that hurt? Do facts and reality hurt that much that you’re driven to spamming this page with nonsense that has nothing to do with the results? It clearly does since you’ve been at it for quite some time today and in what is clearly a quite animated fashion.

Like all of SF, your head is firmly in the clouds, Tim.

Wolgang,

A blueshirt who eats veal.

I’m sure Frankfurt would like him.

Tim and Wolfgang, can you both please stop posting antagonising comments aimed at each other. A few posts have already been removed from this thread for personal abuse, which breaks the Comments Policy for the site. If it continues then the thread will be closed for the rest of the evening.

Cheers.

Hrmm, well, if you want to talk about liking and disliking things Tim, I did a little tally and it appears that thus far in this comment thread you have received
196 green thumbs
and
367 RED thumbs.

Maybe you should do some work on being liked yourself?!

I know, I know, you guys hate facts, figures … reality in general … but I tallied the figures and as of posting they’re correct. You get 1.82x the amount of red thumbs for your posts than you do for green posts, so you get almost twice as much people disliking your content as you do people liking it. On the flip side, twice as many people support the party you’re ranting about than the party you support.

Aren’t facts and figures fun!?

FF have broken the economy 3 times, FG have broken it once. Both have set global records for economic collapse, with FF really holding the 1st prize here.

FG have it in them, to break Ireland’s economy one more time. I think they deserve that change and am glad that 32% feel the same way.

What is your rational reason for not voting SF? The Irish people are either delusional or so politically self-interested that they don’t care about future generations.

The media is controlled by wealthy people who oppose the redistribution of wealth for a fairer Ireland.

They live in a world of take – it’s a much easier place to be than the world of earn.

@Tim Jackson, & Wolfgang Wiesen

You cannot become paranoid (Tim Jackson) which I fear many in Sin Fein are and take these polls personally. As some posts mentioned above, Sin Fein were quite happy and actually arrogant with the last poll that was shown, which gave them the unfortunate empty hope that they were gaining votes.

I don’t believe in the polls but what I do believe in is that the media put these figures out there to get people talking/discussing/arguing. Fortunately, I also believe and agree with ‘Wolfgang Wieser that there was a ‘swing and anger vote against the main parties where many of the electorate voted Sin Fein. Thankfully every time M Loo McDonald, Adams and Mcguinness, Doherty opens their mouths the truth is always seen.

Whether you like it or not, I said before, until Adams and McGuinness agrees to taking a back seat, Sin Fein will never get any further in politics. They have and bring too much horror, hate, murder with them and the electorate that actually think about it before they vote will never vote for them. Too much rotten baggage.

@ Sheila Byrne

Perfect example of how right-wingers just dismiss the facts that they don’t like. They don’t need a reason to do it and don’t even bother to make a counter argument. Instead, they engage in name calling and say “I don’t want to hear it” whenever they are presented with facts that disprove their flawed ideology.

Plus the negativity SF & others constantly come out with. We all know what happened & we all want a way out. Negativity by any party is simply off putting & SF excel in that, in my opinion.

You are 100% correct.

Personally, I am willing to change by giving Sinn Fein a chance in the next election.

FG has failed

FF has failed

LAB has failed

Personally, I don’t give a hoot about the polls. The end result is what is important.

A rather unpopular comment there sammy boy.

The ULA are far more principled than SF. SF will sell out as soon as the prospect of coalition beckons.

‘Sinn Fein are the best outta a bad bunch’- you’ve completely lost it. Also the people doing these polls are the ones who did the polls which seen SF in second place. Fortunately, people have lost whatever temporary satisfaction they had with them.

have proof of that mr nokia charger….didnt think so …i say give them a chance and then u can judge them

Fine Gael Labour are heading the same way as Fianna Fail and the Greens, you guys all know that sticking your heads in the sand aint gonna help yee , David Higgins Mcbab all know Sinn Fein will rise and fall slightly in the polls until the next election, But when the people are paying 10 times the house hold charge they are now and we sign over the last of our powers as a soverign state, A coalition of independents and Sinn Fein will be the only really alternative to these idiots presently in power. Sorry lads !

Sinn Fein would not only fail in trying to govern the country, they would leave office having left the country in an irreparable state that would condemn the nation to generations of suffering and emigration.

They offer no solutions to Ireland’s problems and have the potential to cause more problems for us than any other entity in the country’s history.

Wolfgang,

You keep mentioning SF would “cause more problems” – Explain in detail what kind of problems please.

I look forward to your follow-up.

@Wolfgang , While painting a picture of armageddon under Sinn Fein rule you’ve just described the current state of the country under Fine Gael.

Wolfgang. Are you some German bondholder petrified at the idea of losing your YES men? And please tell me you’re liking your own comments. :(

@ Tim Jackson,

Answer me this, how on earth can Adams, McGuinness, M Loo MacDonald own 2/3 homes and be on ‘the average industrial wage’? Bullsh1t if I ever heard of it!!!! Homes in Belfast, Derry, Donegal, Dundalk. One of them living in a 6/7 bedroom, electric gates in Dn 11? How, pray tell? How many ‘rich’ people does Adams think there are in Ireland when he says he’ll get the country running on taxing the rich? Someone with a pass maths in Junior Certificate could work out that his plan is not possible.

His agenda and/or financial plan is a fairytale. He will put this country in deeper darkness than we have seen since the ’50′s. He is promising the world to working class type of person in this country and unfortunately, some of them will believe him because they don’t know what else to believe in any more. I get so angry when he stands there in the Dail, being a complete verbal diarrhea like Higgins and Shane Ross. Shame on them to promise the gold at the end of the rainbow, when in fact what there is at the end of his rainbow is cow manure! Everyone of them in that Dail needs to stand and be counted and answer to all the poor souls in huge debt and crisis, their families destroyed for at least the next two generations, some of us losing family member from suicide and not even caused by themselves, but caused by greedy, selfish, self centred lying, money grabbing bas@ards.

I hope, prayer and wish some day soon, some of them will find their conscious and correct this sooner than later.

@Sheila Your decripition of the working class as “Them” says a lot about ya! We need a policy of growth stimulus not lip service to it or more austerity. I’ve never heard Shane Ross spout anything but the truth and good sence, something this government has failed to echo.

The ULA are too fragmented at the moment to be considered a real opposition … But it’s early days