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These people are usually sending money back home to their families, and while recognising the fact that it’s a form of development aid, there’s a strong (selfish) economic argument to be made that the money should be spent locally. Hence why France and Germany in particular allowed for family reunification in the 70s when their economies went bust. AFAIK, it’s usually confined to the nuclear family. Mickie the Labourer wouldn’t be able to get in his cousins Jamie the Plumber and Sally the Hairdresser in (although if Jamie and Sally were IT geniuses they might find it easier to get into Germany due to the skills bias).

And as a barrister, you’ll appreciate the strong constitutional argument to be made for family reunification, since according to article 41 the family possesses “inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law” and the State “guarantees to protect the family in its constitution and authority”. Now on a philosophical level, you can argue that family units are social constructs and that the constitution’s reasoning is based on a flawed premise – but it’s there in the constitution all the same.

this is what FG calling for , they want all immigrants living in Ireland to bring their family members to live here also .

Denise Charlton is wrong , all immigrants can be with their loved ones , all they have to do is take the both or aeroplane home , does she not realise that there are such things as aeroplanes , boats , trains even cars nowadays , they can all be used to take the immigrant home and re-unite them with their families.

this is what FG calling for , they want all immigrants living in Ireland to bring their family members to live here also .

Denise Charlton is wrong , all immigrants can be with their loved ones , all they have to do is take the boat or aeroplane home , does she not realise that there are such things as aeroplanes , boats , trains even cars nowadays , they can all be used to take the immigrant home and re-unite them with their families.

The scary thing is , they will get what they’re looking for , all these immigrant bodies have very powerful forces behind them , if irish people dont protest to their local TD , it will happen , so ring your local TD today.

Ruin what country? You mean this bastion of tolerance? Before a single immigrant landed here we were almost a nazi catholic state with little tolerance for protestant Ireland let alone the small number of jews here. Immigration can be managed to avoid ghettos. Ireland today in spite of the recession is a much better place than 30 yrs ago.

Who said It isn’t? ….. who said it’s a nation of tolerance? …….. stop misreading what I wrote please. …. my country has enough problems. .. period. ..without importing future ones from elsewhere. .. that’s my message. ..is we are going to look after people Let’s look after our recent lost generation of emigrants rather than people who are not from here

Merc first off well said! and second you won that argument hands down. The comment from “strongbow” is complete bulls#%t. Ireland is not a better than it was 30 years ago, walk down any city street and all you pass is seedy foreign shops and dodgy immigrants making you feel like your in there disfunctional country. I know that sounds very racial but its not ment to, its just how i feel walking through the city center. And strongbow your English is good but your not fooling anyone, i know your a immigrant because only one would write a comment like yours.

@strongbow how can you say that this country was in ruins years ago. Yes it was run by the Catholic Church which if you disagreed with them then you were the devil incarnate. That was wrong, however the country had a great sense of family value. Yes loads of irish people went to the four comers if the earth in search of work which is happening again now but does that make it right that the country opens up it doors to asylum seekers. Is it ok for flights to come in with people who want to collect social welfare payments or children’s allowance and then they are on the next flight out. At present ireland has the highest social welfare payment system in Europe, go to France and you can’t get any benefits until you have at least one continuous year of employment. Does that make the irish people racist or realistic. Irish people used to receive as much if not more racist remarks in the UK as anybody. However they didn’t get cars because they felt people were racist on a bus. One thing I have learned is that more and more people use this racist word when things don’t go there way. And you’ll get the PC so gooders who say that’s wrong

Your country? What makes it yours? Chances are if you trace your lineage you wint have tobgo back too far to find foreign blood. Of course it will most likely be white..which makes it ok..

It was a dysfunctional state back then. Yes white..but anti women, sexual abuse, magdelene laundries..need I go on. The type of racist nonsense that people spew here is no different to the Germans that wished there homeland wasnt ruined by jews after the great depression. You are falling into the same trap. Tell me what being Irish is? White..? Catholic ? Traveller? You wish for Devs Ireland of comely maidens at the cross roads and Matt Talbot lashing his own arse for his sins. What a lovely place it was.

strongbow says “Before a single immigrant landed here we were almost a nazi catholic state “.

actually strongbow , religion was brought to Ireland by immigrants , the reason there was intolerance of protestants is because of the plantations of Ireland when they took our land from us , however many good protestants realised the error of their ways and tried to make amends for it such as Robert Emmet (1778-1803)

also you are obviously referring to Ireland before the Maastricht treaty , you say it was a Nazi catholic state however my family were not nazis then and are still not nazis , they are good decent catholic people and have no interest in all that sort of gas chamber type of stuff ,sorry to disappoint you

not just that but rented accomodation, theres a SERIOUS lack of it at the moment in Dublin. Fine theres 1 beds for 900 but we’re not able to afford it. This is not New York or Sao Paulo, tiny Dublin. A lot of people forget this in their pathetic arguments “oh but the Irish went here and there”. Don’t fall for it, this is a small country, get it? I don’t think you do nor never will, just jump on a sinking ship and take us all down faster. It has to stop.

That’s right Tommy….the UK faces a future of sharia law demands, ghettos and mass native English immigration…..this is what people such as strongbow on here want for Ireland to appease their fantasy of multi cultural living

Our biggest industry is tourism. People come here for Irish culture. Well thats pretty much gonna die out if Irish people are a minority in our own country.

I agree with you!!!

Well said!! How true.

Maybe the countries that they are in will get sick of the paddies spewing on their streets every Saturday night and deport them back here. Ok for the Irish to turn up abroad but not vice versa. Of course every Irish emigrant is worth their weight in gold. I can bet theres many an Australian wishing that their new Irish neighbours would just go home.

Maybe theyll be sent home when the Aussies get their fill of Oirish culture

Many of them are Irish citizens

Have they heard of Skype?

Cant we have a whip round to buy them a scissors?

Mark, there are plenty of people in the UK where youre from who are also citizens. They have ruined your country.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9875954/Muslim-preacher-urges-followers-to-claim-Jihad-Seekers-Allowance.html

I dont want to see Ireland become the same mess that the UK has become and is becoming.

Mmmmmmm….am not from the UK….am from here…Dublin 1

Mark larson is English.

We did that for a load of Roma a few years ago and they ended up coming back for our welfare payments!

Reparations? For what? Why do we owe money to these people? They shouldn’t be here in the first place. The way asylum in the EU works is that you stay in the country you originally arrive in. There are no direct flights from those asylum nations to Ireland. They’re here wrongly. Now, care to explain why reparations are necessary?

And how do they claim legal status first they have to come over and claim asylum

Those irish people dont get welfare. In fact, if they lose their job, they have to leave and return home.

Actually most would have come here as guest workers to work in our economy and since they continue to be employed there should be a way to allow their families to enter the state to live with them

Bernard I agree 100% on that

Looks like for once we’ve learned something from the uks mistakes

Fascist views? Because people disagree with it? Lovely.

Next thing someone will accuse everyone speaking sense of being racists :/

Please go join a humanitarian mission if you feel so strongly about bringing more “asylum seekers” to Ireland.

Thank you so much for your pity. Now can you extend that pity to our immigrants who have had to leave their country in order to provide a better life for themselves and in some cases, their families. The same pity you feel for people who have left their home country to come here to provide the same for the ones they have left in their home country. I pity my countrymen and women and I will not apologise for it. It is not racist to feel for your own. Good day sir.

Well said

Gerry i would like to thank you for offering your pity to the poor fools,i would also ask you to pray for the weak who cannot demonstrate dignity intelligence or self confidence. This Ireland you speak off “a much more self confident and actualized country, but not without a far greater generosity of spirit”. Can i be gotton for free, because we can not afford to look after our own weak and vunerable at the minute…

Well said Baxter. Only a couple of weeks ago – as a nation – we sent €7.5m to a bunch of head-the-balls in Syria.

see gerry people are sick of too many “do gooders” in Ireland. See in a ideal world we would welcome everyone who needed help but in reality its a know fact that illegal immigration destroys the very thing we worked hard to build.

This item is not about illegal immigration. Put your glasses on.

Ireland should have Irish people living here. In less than 20 years, people will have to travel to meet any irish people cos there’ll be none here.

What is your definition of Irish? Phil Lynnott? Paul mcGrath? I think its White Catholic and probably Irish republican. Thats the old ” feeling” of being Irish. Chances are that that this thread is bordering on incitement to hatred judging by the some of the comments.

Ah yes, the good ol’ “racist” label being thrown around yet again. Please actually make an argument without the hollow name calling.

Phil and Paul had an Irish parent and didnt spend their free time shouting at their other African mates in various African languages. They WERE Irish.