The children hospital should be based near the m50 for access for everyone in the country not smack bang in the center of Dublin. It is a silly place to put it in the first place thank Bertie and Mary harney for the that.

To quote a line from the movie Brave Heart “We couldnt agree on the colour of shite”.

tbh why the hell did they want to build it in the middle of the city.
It would have made much more sense on the outskirts, if its a real emergency it would be a serious problem trying to get through traffic.
But the question is how much habe the squandered on this unsuitable site?????

€28m spent on preparatory work. A further €4m spent on “planning related expenses”. That’s €32m spent on this gigantic white elephant, for what? A Hospital not wanted by Doctors, Nurses, Health Workers or, most importantly, the Families who access the services. No parking, no access save through congested city streets, no green space, no dedicated convalescent units – a box sitting on a crowded city centre location. Hopefully this will end Reilly’s political career.

I have to say that I did not agree with the site it was proposed to be built on … The whole concept of a building site there ,traffic restrictions ,access …..and so on
Ridiculous idea, BUT , we need a chioldren’s hospital .
Why in the the name of all that is sensible did they not decide all of those years ago to build this hospital on a green site , to include car parking , bus access, etc., Why does it have to be in Dublin ?? Close to the National Road network…..
The mind boggles.

At last sense prevails! This site was completely unsuitable and the huge size and bulk of the building is proof of that. But it was considered that the development could be bulldozed through and built regardless of the constraints and problems with the site.

A huge amount of work wasted because the original site selection was flawed. That the site was so clearly seen as being unsuitable from so early on makes it all the more disappointing.

No bigger picture. No planning for expansion. No predevelopment of public transport.

Well done An Bord Pleanala!

How much is all this costing the taxpayer?

For once I welcome the common sense of An Bord Pleanála. It is a complete joke to try a fit the National Children’s Hospital on the site of the Mater. There are plenty of green fields off the M50 which are easily accessable whether from Nth/Sth of the city and surrounding counties, easier to include essential parking and enough space to build a proper hospital and the support facilities around that area. Let’s just hope the don’t discover a auld helmet with horns or a rare snail when they start digging the site!!!

I don’t know if there is any right or wrong site As far as I know it needs to be close to a maternity. Site For extremely sick babies who are diagnosed before birth. I bring my son to both hospitals and it is so much easier to drive to Crumlin. Much shorter and less stressful. But saying that i Meet people every time that come by train from carlow or limerick so what do they do.? I also go to great Ormand street hospital in London . There is no parking and it is in a built up area. There is also no A&E so you can only get access if you are referred by another hospital consultant elsewhere . I suppose most admissions are planned but they still have emergencies . Truthfully I can see every Angle but why did they waste all that money and time for nothing. I look forward to the day when all my sons care will be under the one roof.

Finally a public service department makes a good decision. Build it out around the M50 and incorporate a luas and/or train line station where possible and make it accessible for the entire country and not just for those lucky enough to live within a mile or two of the Mater.

about time someone started talking a bit of sense, planning board made right discision.

This couldn’t have been easier: Pick a big empty field next or nearby to the M50 and build whatever you like on it.

Not try and build a spaceship in the middle of an already overcrowded area of Dublin.

Clearly the Mater site is daft and the decision probably made for political reasons. As sort of medical Bertie Bowl.

But over a third of the country’s population live in greater Dublin. To put the hospital too far from the centre would create further problems in terms of access for seriously ill/injured children, staff, visitors and emergency services. Public and road transport networks are largely radial in the capital.

The current transport infrastructure mitigates against siting a national hospital outside the centre unless it is decided that private car access should be prioritised. This may be a mistake in the long term. Wherever it’s put, a proper public transport plan is needed to make it, and the capital city as a whole, work properly…

“dominant, visually, incongruous structure and would have a profound negative impact on the appearance and visual amenity of the city skyline”. Who in the hell are these people… Get a grip and get the damn thing built for god sake. its 2012 and still no dedicated hospital for children in a so called developed nation..

It appears that we have forgotten one of the original requirements was a physical connection with an adult teaching Hospital. The current Minister went with the Mater site I believe due to the considerable sum spent by the last Administration and the advice of an independent committee of experts. Vilifying him now is dishonest and probably reflective of card carrying membership of another Party.
I recall that the State was offered a site at or near to Newlands Cross and the construction of the building at cost some years ago. A small looping spur could be added to the Luais at the Red Cow and that would provide an element of public transport. Tallaght Hospital would also be relatively close for academic linkage purposes.

How did the Aviva and the conference centre get planning permission?? They hardly fit in with the surrounding historical structures..

Why does everyone quote the parking issue? Having worked in both crumlin and Temple St the parking in both is beyond awful. A car park is part of these plans so the parking would be better not worse! It’s a disaster. Will never be built now.

‘A lot of work has been done by a lot of people to bring the development to this stage so the decision is clearly very disappointing,’ the spokesperson told TheJournal.ie this morning.

Read that as ‘A bit of work has been done by a few highly paid people who knew damn well that it would never get planning permission but who can now go back to the drawing board, yet again, and draw down huge commissions for being completely incompetent so the the decision is clearly disappointing for all but those people’.

The site was a non runner from the start..
That said,is there even one member of this Government with the balls to stand up and be counted..
Green Site of the M50 with transport infrastructure..
Just get of your fucking useless backsides and build it.
For once do the right thing.

Another Bertie bowl in pieces.If successive ministers stated it was best place for it does this not call into questions all the decisions meanwhile children wait on trollies and what cost to date 50 100 million ?
Now another lot of retired well pensioned lackeys will form another committee at great cost to citizens to come up with a report that will gather dust.
How many greenfield sites have we around M 50 surely a good spot as not all sick children line on northside

Absolutely bloody hilarious …. after 20 years of allowing residential estates to be built on rezoned marshlands where people’s homes suffered severe flooding over the past couple of years, stuck with negative equity houses in flood zones and finally in 2012 our great AN BORD PLEANÁLA now decide to start doing some work and stop progress on a childrens hospital. Unbelievable!

How about the ‘profound negative impact’ of the sick children sitting on hospital trolleys in filthy dirty hospital corridors??? Get the thing built and STFU!

Only in Ireland it’s already lookin over Dorset street how could it make it any worse
This is everything that’s so wrong with this country

Build the bleeding thing for all our children and stop the bull

Idiots

Anyone know who they are

How about on the Mountjoy site and move the prison as planned! or is the site earmarked for yet another folly?

Why refuse,would it be that kick backs were insufficient ? Old habits,and old men go hand in hand.

I agree with the decision not to build on the Mather site it is the wrong place forthe Hospital. There so many other good sites to build on that would make it easy to get to. Such a waste of money by the Gov., just to try and have their way.

The government couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. The Mater site is clearly unsuitable and a lot of time and money has been wasted tring to push the idea forward. As it’s a “National” facility it needs to be accessible to all, not only Dubliners, and that should include access by public transport from the rest of the country.

Surely there must be a NAMA controlled site somewhere off any of the motorways that lead into the city that would be suitable and add any necessary transport links that might be required when it is being built

Nothing is getting planning permission anymore. The sooner these people cop on and stop acting the eejits the better. More jobs will be created, especially in the construction industry. It’s all good and well for these guys to sit in their offices and just say no to everything – they still get paid their generous salaries and pensions either way.

Kathy

Refer to an board pleanala sorry I have no idea what your talking about
Their remit is to protect the Dublin skyline, when it suits they must gave been I’ll when the aviva was built
Your comments make no sense, sorry

This decision is about sick children not brown envelopes, for once the children come before the politicians and vested interests.