They probably only noticed it afterwards

TV channel Globo probably isn’t sure whether or not rape took place as they were kissing and hugging under the duvet. They kicked him out not to face problems with justice. As you can imagine, ¨activities under the duvet¨ attract a lot of attention in Brazil, but this time it backfired on Globo. Now the former BBB contestant’s mother is playing the racism card. It’s quite pathetic.

Wow that’s incredibly ignorant. Just because the apparent victim says she wasn’t raped doesn’t mean she wasn’t. It’s in no way uncommon for rape victims to deny something happened. Since there’s footage of the incident it should absolutely be investigated.

Legally, rape requires an absence of consent from the victim. If the alleged victim will not state she did not consent then there should be no investigation. If this woman isn’t bothered by the fact a man had sex with her while she slept then who are we to tell her she is wrong?

She denied rape because she wasn’t raped. What he did still constitutes a sexual assault. Or are you trying to say it’s ok to grope girls without their knowledge while they’re asleep?

That’s clearly not what I said. Pull your neck back in. What i said is that if she doesn’t mind what he did, who are we to tell her she is wrong. It’s her body after all.

@Keith it’s not about telling her she’s wrong to be OK with someone doing that to her while she sleeps, it’s about telling the person who done it that it’s not OK to do that to someone while they sleep.

My neck is fine thanks, Keith. My comment wasn’t actually directed at you, rather it was towards necromancer.

Nevertheless, I still think your argument is rubbish. If she’s asleep during the assault how can she know what took place. Moreover, even in the unlikely event that she doesn’t mind being assaulted in her sleep, the fact that it was televised makes it a public matter.

But where do you draw the line Paul? If a woman likes getting slapped around the bedroom should the man be prosecuted for assault because it is wrong to hit women? When it comes to matters in the bedroom the victims views should always be the most important thing.

I know what you are saying about women who deny a rape but I’m talking about a person who knows what happened but has no problem with it. And lets not forget that this is all based on a few minutes of grainy footage of a bed with two people under the blankets. Nobody even knows what went on. Is it really right to stigmatise a man as a rapist when there hasn’t even been a complaint made against him?

Keith you seem to be struggling with the concept of public and private! What happens consensually between two adults in private is their own business and not a matter for the police.

Groping a girl in the middle of the night while she’s asleep and it’s being filmed on live television is not alright. It’s a sexual assault, not rape.

There’s no line to draw.

Keith this didn’t happen in the privacy of a couples bedroom, it happened in a communal bedroom and was broadcast to the public(or at the very least recorded and watched by a third party). We certainly shouldn’t draw the line when there are witnesses. Also keep in mind these are two people who aren’t that far away from being strangers, their relationship with one another is that they both signed up to be on Big Brother. A quick check shows that the show only began on the 10th of January!

Wether it is public or private does not matter at all. It’s all about what the victim says. If she says she didn’t consent then it is a sexual assault. If she doesn’t say she didn’t consent then it’s not a sexual assault.

Keith, think for just a minute. If she was asleep she didn’t consent. How could she? She was asleep.

Ultan if it was that simple why has she not made a complaint?

Keith, there are many reasons that a woman doesn’t make a complaint following a sexual assault. She may not want the negative publicity, she may be embarrassed, etc, etc.. but not knowing the full facts, I don’t presume to know why.

Saying that it doesn’t matter if it’s public or private is completely incorrect. The police are, to quote above, continuing “to investigate the case because it is a public matter.”

Seriously Keith, think for a second about what you’re doing here:

- Man gropes a woman on live television while she’s sleeping.
- The fact that she’s asleep makes it impossible for her to grant consent.
- Police launch investigation into sexual assault as it is a public matter, despite the fact that she has not made a formal complaint.
- You defend the guy.

“During her testimony, however, Monique said she was aware of the facts and acted deliberately” – Globo TV (BBC news)

“We kissed, I remember one kiss, he said there were two. We touched each other and really this is all I remember,” – Monique Amim (Guardian UK)

“The young woman denies she was raped and has not pressed charges,” – Police Chief

So it would appear she wasn’t actually asleep when he got into bed. According to her anyway. And she also says she was in control and does not wish to press charges. Yet despite all this you think he should still be branded a sex offendor and investigated because it looked like a sexual assault on the tv. Di you even see the footage?

You’re giving yourself enough rope to hang yourself here, Keith. Even if you take your (highly selective) quotes it still warrants a police investigation, which is exactly what’s happening.

For example you quote her as saying: “We kissed, I remember one kiss, he said there were two. We touched each other and really this is all I remember.” However reports and the tv footage suggest that more than a kiss or two took place. That’s why police are investigating further and have confiscated clothing and bedsheets from the house.

What you rather bizarrely decided to leave out of your Guardian quote was the following: “”Sex?” she added. “No. Only if he was a real scumbag and did it while I was sleeping.” This surely warrants an investigation, given the footage that was broadcast???

I find it very distasteful that you would deliberately leave out this simply because you’re trying to defend something thoughtless you said on a message board.

You’re missing the point Jamie. She doesn’t care if he went further. She doesn’t feel like she was violated. Sure, it’s a horrible thing for him to have done but how can he be charged with anything if she refuses to make any complaint?

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