I don’t know if it’s as straight forward as that. Economic experts might advise the government to give tax breaks to the wealthy so as they may hire extra employees but that’d be right wing and extremely unfair as the normal joe would have to make up the shortfall. Plus there’s no smart businessman going to take a huge gamble in this climate.

While I’m delighted for those who’ll get those jobs, we have a huge problem with gambling addiction in the country.

We also have a big alcohol problem and a big obesity problem, let’s stop selling food and drink too. Personal responsibility is the key not nanny state.

Is there a niche in the market for prostitution? Cos I’m sitting on a gold mine ;)

Keith my point was that the Paddy Power jobs may be good for the government coffers but is it a sign of the times worth celebrating? If everyone took up smoking the tax take would swell but that’s not neccessarily a good thing; there is a cost down the line with health that someone has to pay for. Simarily when people get into debt due to gambling addiction the debts don’t just dissappear they become everyone’s problem.

Anne, I really don’t care where the jobs come from, as long as they come, companies like Paddy Power should be praised for their achievements. Ireland is a very small part of Paddy Power’s business, the majority of it’s business is done abroad, should every country in the world ban gambling? I don’t think that is realistic, and I fail to see why we shouldn’t capitalise on that. Like all things that can have a negative impact on a very small percentage of people, there should be facilities to help these people rather than stopping the activities for a larger percentage of people who enjoy responsibly.

Agreed

True, but they’re not creating the conditions for job creation except for the multinationals and large companies. More needs to be done to help SME’s with startup and day-to-day running.
It’s great that multinational companies start up here and offer emoloyment but we need home grown companies as well.

I agree with you Mary, good point.

Multinational companies are about efficiency. If a Tesco opens in an average town and hires sixty or so people on low wages, the knock on effect in the community is small businesses will close with the loss of hundreds of higher paying jobs.

Sense!

True about the small businesses – but remember Dunnes and Supervalu are no small business and remember what the prices of everyday groceries were before the likes of foreign competition (Lidl, Aldi, Tescos) brought prices down to something affordable? There were no favours being done to the consumers when everyday costs of living were set so high.

The jobs for the boys.
It’s going really well.

er..them jobs kissing Angela’s and saluting the troika as they tighten the screws. You know, pretending we had a change of government when it was just a change of shirt.
And then there’s the pensions to be minded. Big job that.

Indeed, what jobs ?

Aside from their raft of new ‘advisers’ on salaries that broke their own supposed wage limit, they have destroyed jobs & are still doing so.

Jobs that had f*ck all to do with the government and there Kenny is with his bug stupid face plastered across the screen as if he went out and created each of the 600 jobs himself. Complete muppet.

Just so you know I am not disagreeing with what you are saying but I think it is is really short sighted to suggest that there should be some sort of preferential system that was biased towards those in their 40′s. Everybody in Ireland should be able to have a job and earn a decent living.

Irelands youth should have a bit more focus put on it. They are not gaining valuable life experience through earning their own wage while studying (if they can even afford to go to college) There are no jobs in the service industry for young people to work in….every single bar or restaurant I go to has a significant majority of EU migrants working in the compared to Irish. I’m sure someone is going to try make what I just said into a racist statement but seriously when the older generations voted on opening up Ireland to EU migrants, you basically sold your children’s futures away for some colourful new money and making it easier buy a holiday home abroad.

Even if you did cut the ministers salaries by a quarter…I don’t think you could find 166 people who are 40+ with experience who would work for less than 24k per annum in a front line public service job. We need real solutions….not gimmicky solutions that are more about venting your anger against ministers.

It’s raining…its windy…its cold outside….Eileen is giving out…Irelands permanent winter.

I am not giving out !
I like the sound of the rain .
It is clean and refreshing !
I am sorry if you are feeling so miserable toorkeel,but I am happy.
All I am doing is stating the obvious and if you are being deluded by Government spin
and are happy to accept it then …..so be it . But for me I enjoy sharing :) :)

Considering the economic climate – and that’s the global economic climate – I don’t think they are doing a bad job. I’m a kid of the 80′s who had to emigrate when unemployment was at 19% and interest rates over 20% – things are defo picking up, slowly (but surely) – I do have to agree though that it seems that with every step forward, we do seem to take a partial step back

Well ok , i could ask you the same of you ‘.Eileen is giving out…Irelands permanent winter.’ ” and what you mean by that comment ?
However leaving that aside we agree that there is very little or no improvement in job creation here. Where ire the figures which take into account EMIGRATION ? A thousand jobs a week are being lost and the same numbers in emmigration is keeping the figures static.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0927/breaking31.html

I find myself amazed by people who can justify this governments ineptness .Seriously ? They are a disgrace.

Euhhhh….Sorry Eileen, you are giving me the flu…..please stop….sniff….sniff…cough!

Ah Toorkeel
You too !

Declan, the population has increased by over 25% since then.

Funny enough…
19% of 3.5m people is 670,000 people on the live register (1980s)
14.9% of 4.5m people is 665,000 people on the live register (now).

Emigration isn’t an option for so many people without income, in negative equity, with families, with mortgages and other debts and with a cost of living much higher than it was (fuel, bills).

Don’t be like that Eileen…a little bit of sarcasm on this dreary day, I’m not having a go at you.. Agreed, the country is in the pits. I honestly believe that my nearly three year old son will be starting Secondary School before this country is any way right, that’s approx 10 years. I have to be honest, (By the way I am not a supporter in the true sense of the word of any party), but there seems to be a lot of job announcements lately which has to be positive, however on the flip side there is the emigration of our brightest and best, the backbone of our economy…yet unemployment figured remain pretty much static…I have my own theory on that, but that’s another argument. I believe the Government are doing ok with the poisoned chalice they were handed, trying to remedy the blunders if the past 15 years…but more needs to be done…a lot more….

..and just to flog a dead horse… the statistics show that it actually only rose to 17% at the height of the 80s unemployment. So that’s less than 600,000 people.

Well Toorkeel ,
What is your take on the numbers remaining static ?

I have been through recesssion before ,in the 80′s when
Mortgage interest rates were in the double figures. I had young children
then and now they are adults , well educated and devastated,no work and emigration is
a constant threat!
Are you rearing your son to emigrate? I do not mean a lifestyle choice in travelling ,but, emigration ? I have a young son still in National school ,
What have we to offer them . Education too is being decimated ,
our health services ? I have an elderly mother who needs 24 hr care . She is medically fit but is disabled due to Arthritis and is in a wheelchair ,she is also getting confused over recent years and cannot be alone.
They are cutting services,yet my mother worked and paid her taxes all her life .
Life is a ”bi**h” and we must get on with it . But this government are carrying on the legacy of the last appalling administration . BTW I voted FG number one( and didso all my life ) ,but my eyes have been opened since ”NOT ANOTHER CENT” . All I can do is apologise and make amends by highlighting how bad this government is and make sure they never get elected again ! .
I have a sick child here hoping it is not serious as I do not have a medical card , but if my son needs a doc I will bring him , that is what we do … try and cope .

Toorkeel would you care to engage in proper discussion instead of smart remarks? Eileen’s been providing arguments to support her claims, I think you’re showing very well the government position…

@Chris…..Ahhhmmm….ill think about it….honest….!
@Eileen…lot of anger there. I’ve said what I have to say on the matter. As I said I have my thoughts on why the same static figure is claiming welfare yet thousands are emigrating…it should be declining. That’s an argument for another day. Believe it or not we are probably in agreement on a lot of things…

Don’t feed the FG troll, deflecting away from the point of the article which is nobody is satisfied with this government’s pathetic attempt at creating employment & running the country…..running it into the ground more like!

Just for those who aren’t aware the Unemployment rate is not based on the population its based on the workforce which is not the same as the total population. the current workforce is approx. 2,100,000 so unemployment is around 311,000. I don’t think its fair to almost double that figure when you use the wrong information.
I think they’re doing the best they can although i think they need to become more creative, perhaps looking at the cooperative sector to create jobs or giving a 2 year commercial rates break to all new businesses to help the domestic economy.

Actually, the challenge is not creating jobs. You cannot create jobs, not sustainable ones anyhow. You need to create the environment where businesses can operate within the available economy.

Right now, Fine Gael and Labor are failing hand over fist because they insist on terrorizing the economy. While pure logic dictates that every ten euro you pull away from the working class is ten euro from the economy, in reality this can turn out even worse because of coping mechanisms within that economic crisis. For instance, if I have say €50 spare for the economy – buying coffee for the family, or taking the missus for lunch, or buying a game for the kids, etc. Then you come along and add another €40 to my taxes. I only have €10 to spend on the economy. This isn’t so bad, and it’s the calculations that the IMF did. The problem is that FG/Labor went overboard: instead of taking €50 from those that spent €100 in the economy, they currently take €100 from those who were spending €50. With the result that the extra €50… must come from somewhere. Is it any surprise that there are one in five mortgages in more than three months arrears? Worse, now they want to take €150 from those same individuals that only had €50 with new taxes and charges.

So the problem, in my humble opinion is NOT creating jobs. It’s creating an economic climate that can create the jobs – and the stimulus to do so is typically found in charges and taxes that are crushing the workforce out of spending habits needed to recover.

Erm.. just my humble opinion in any case :)

I was thinking the exact same thing. There may be some new jobs on the horizon but it’s not changing the national unemployment rate because of the businesses that are closing far too regularly.

Did you actually use Target as an example??? As in some way this was the Goverments fault….Give me a break… The socila landscape of Ireland is changing and thus many of the small and medium enterprises that people go on about are actually not viable because people….not the Goverment dont want there products or service… A great example is small town shops closing day in day out while Kildare Village opens new outlets every day!!! The Goverment can change what people want to spend their money on….

Granted, the landscape is changing and some businesses are products of the past but a lot of businesses are forced to close from back taxes being harshly pursued. I know someone who was told by a sheriff that the government wanted them to close regardless of the amount of people he employed, because he owed fifty grand or so in old taxes. This is the stuff that doesn’t get much attention. And any business owner will tell you that extortionate council rates are killing their companies.

So, what’s your solution?

What’s yours, Tom?

Several solutions have already been said Tom, but you’re too blind to see it, take the Fine Gael rose tinted shades off for a while. If the banks were doing what they were supposed to be doing, then there would be more jobs. If upward only rents and unjustified rates were tackled there would be more jobs.

:-) Jim! I can’t say I have the solution i’d start with reducing public spending, tougher and tighter laws on bankruptcy to stop these “business people” getting away without paying debt! Tax incentives to help people set up their own companies. That’s just for starters…. Oh, reduce the number of TDs and senators. Transparency on public expenses. You have any thoughts on a solution?

Fair point on the Rents Keith…

Its very simple Tom. Stop paying ransoms to the international financial terrorists, thus allowing the ordinary man and woman in this country to have more than enough money to spend on basic living. This would stimulate the economy and thus encourage job creation. I also like your suggestions, especially about cutting public spending Lets start with the TDs. Cut all allowances, give them the average industrial wage and cut out all the perks. None of them should be profiting from their jobs. Being a politician should be a vocation, not a career move. This is the only way to get the best and most dedicated people. They have tried paying them ridiculous salaries to get ‘the best people for the jobs’ and it clearly does not work.

Spot on Paul.

That is a really good point Keith about the upward only rents. This should be a top priority to sort out. A client I was doing a job for last week was telling me how the landlord for their office wanted to put up their rent by €7000 a year. His reasoning on it is that because the offices are in a prime location in Dublin 2 that he could have the someone moved in within a couple of weeks if the client didn’t agree to it. It was just a veiled and empty threat though as two of the other floors on the building have been empty for at least 7 months with no sign of anyone willing to rent them.

It is pure greed.

I don’t agree…

Your in the minority ‘Declan Cotter’.

Well I doubt they’d have been created if Sinn Féin or Fianna Fáil were in power.

Typical FFg/Labour response to a serious question being asked …
Attack SF, its all their fault. For Christs sake, some people/ Government party’s are unable to put forward constructive arguments in their defense to support the job they are doing. Their only defensive argument is to attack SF. Get a life.

@ dave higgins do you seriously think that these businesses said to themselves ” oh f.g are in government so we’ll create some jobs and give them the credit “? these firms would have created the jobs no matter who was in government , both firm are genericly Irish and therefore it would make sense that if they were going to expand they would do so here, what i find strange is that one of the few growth industries in this recession is the gambling industry.,

“A HIGH-LEVEL meeting between senior ministers and executives from the country’s flagship food company was key to a €1.25bn jobs coup.

The Government had to fight off competition from Britain and mainland Europe to secure the deal with the Kerry Group, which will create 1,300 jobs over the next four years. A further 1,300 jobs are expected in employment spin-offs.” – Irish Independent

Tommy there is one word in what you wrote that describes it perfectly – SPIN.

@David Higgins Good man David, highlighting the obvious lack of ideas and creative thinking within your party!
Keep it up buddy!

would love to know what was promised at this ‘high level meeting’ probably some deal where they could pay little or no tax, for the next x amount of years, or the promise that they could pay their staff at below minimum wage because the government promises to slash that in the next budget .

They gave it a pension and sent it home.

what poll are you talking about Jack?

we’ll do better than that, we’ll fine them 1 “yes” vote for every broken election promise, never again will I or any of my family be taken in by these liars.

No government can do enough for job creation. This government have loads more to do on this, loads more!

Tom, you’re so far up your own backside and Enda’s! Take of your blinkers and wipe the crap off your nose!

Stephen, no issue with you disagreeing with me but an intelligent response would be better than an emotional random outburst of nonsense.

You mean like Ryanair offering to buy out Aer Lingus for above market value?

Problem is people in the civil service don’t want to be relocated. Remember the grand auld idea of decentralisation to provide centres of work outside of the capital?

What about the disabled in Dublin or Galway or Kilkenny….You are after giving a perfect example of whats actually is rotten in Ireland….Basically Parish rules and everyone else can go to hell…..Im all right jack!!!

Declan – presume that was aimed at my comment not Frank’s?

I was criticising the problem I highlighted, not defending it. I believe very strongly that the rest of the country should receive a great deal of investment. Any local politicians who are touting industry abroad to come there instead of Dublin – because of cheaper prices, proximity to access and communities that you would actually want to become part of – should be acclaimed for their efforts. However it is just such places that suffer from parish pump politics too.

At the time I found that I was the only person I knew who thought that decentralisation was a good idea. Everyone else seemed to think it was daft .

Leigh,
Comment was directed at Frank… As for your thoughts on decentralisation…I see your point…Problem is that all over the world…Not just in ireland society is becoming more urban…What should have happened in this country was to make proper size cities out of Galway, Limerick, Cork, Waterford, Possibly Athlone, Sligo…and service them properly…supporting them with smaller towns… Sadly in ireland there was no appetite by Goverment of people for such a development and thus we have have…about 2000 small parishes who really only care about their own patch…

But Enda would tell us they have no money for such risky endevours. Plus Dragi wouldn’t entertain logical ideas like that because his bank buddies wouldnt be making any profit. Everthing comes back to the banks, they caused this crisis and are maintaining it the world over.

What about the stimulus proposed in June? They can divert some of those funds.

It does seem that most job announcements recently are for Dublin and the pale (eg Kerry Foods in Kildare). There did seem to be a few job announcements for Galway and Cork earlier in the year, but (with the exception of Northern Trust announcing 400 extra jobs for Limerick), it seems to have gotten very quite for national job announcements for outside Dublin. What worries me is that when we do eventually get back to real growth, and the resultant reduction in unemployment and emigration, that most job seekers and college graduates will end up being employed in Dublin based companies with a further resultant increase in population in an already overpopulated part of the country.
I agree with a lot of the comments above that government can influence job creation by establishing an environment that encourages companies to set up here. One such example is our motorway network and access to international airports. I think (if the government gets a deal on our bank debt), and makes real savings under Croke Park, that it is vital that capital expenditure on the Western Corridor (ie continuous motorway link between Cork and Derry), gets up and running thereby helping address the East/West economic imbalance.

Good point. I wonder if we did have the talent in these areas, would more jobs be created?

not “taught”….but “paid” would be more correct!!!!

^^ Basically Irish Students or their parents cant afford to be thought well enough, or as nearly as well as our foreign counterparts you meant to say ?? ?? ??

Hah, anonymous comments are always good for a giggle.

That has just made my day… Also I agree wholeheartedly.

Hulk not Gay.. Hulk not like Government penis in Hulks ass..Hulk hungry Hulk not like right wing greedy pigs.Hulk put Greedy pig on spit ..Hulk eat greedy right wing pig. Hulk puke right wing greedy pig taste like shit.

Primal rage = good. Primal rage without any rationality or intelligence = pointlessly destructive. Create not destroy.

My God. As John Mc Enroe used to say ”YOU CAN NOT BE SERIOUS”

I am. It’s a s€&te job they have to do, sure they won’t get everything right but they are doing as good as they cam given the country is in serious debt. What’s your answer, stick your head in the sand and complain?

No one is sticking there heads in the sand @Tom Keating except and your lot !
Have you even read this article ? 14.8% unemployed and this does not reflect
the numbers who have emigrated in their droves !!!
I feel sorry that you are so blind to the tragedy that is now Ireland .

Eileen, I’m not sure what you mean by “my lot”. Yes, unemployment is very high and people are leaving but do you really think after just a few years this whole mess in Ireland would be sorted? I’m not saying it is, things are still bad, I just think the government are making progress, slow progress mind.

Sorry Tom, but for the hundreds of thousands of people with no income other than a state handout things are not improving one iota – all very well if you’re surviving (and no harm to you if you’re “better than surviving”), but I think there’s a case of a pot and a kettle and a degree of blackness regarding you’re statement about unsatisfied people sticking their heads in the sand.

In fact, it’s kind of disgraceful to allow any defence of the current situation. It’s not a matter of blaming one party or another, it’s a matter of principles. Capitalism failed at source (not the end users) and this government doesn’t seem to be dealing with the major issues that are burdening the tax payer and welfare recipient alike – that of a bailed out banking system. They still profit despite their losses and the poor are getting poorer.

If you lived in the forgotten city you would have a different viewpoint mate. 400 jobs now announced as I type. Place your bets, either cork Dublin or Galway will get these too