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Comment #357498 by Creatively Maladjusted

Creatively Maladjusted Apr 18th 2012, 2:08 PM #

Well, I for one am getting more confused about this.
What happened the €20 for 20 years, thing they were talking about for water meter installation?
That is the price of the meter PLUS interest on the loan from the Pension Reserve fund!

When they say they won’t privatise the water *system* – do they mean the pipes network, or are they including the services charge?
I strongly doubt that Fine Gael do not want it privatised – they want to privatise every other thing! They have broken election pledges severely, why should anyone trust what they say? I wonder if they’d allow us to enshrine that in a referendum when we’re rejecting the TFEU and Fiscal Compact ones?

Are Labour supporting this craziness?

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Expect your first water bill in late 2014, says Phil Hogan

Expect your first water bill in late 2014, says Phil Hogan

Environment minister couldn’t say how much it will cost consumers, but said a standing charge would be involved.

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    Favourite Chris lynch
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    Apr 18th 2012, 2:30 PM

    Of Course labour will be supporting this. Just like the Greens and the PD they will go along with government right until the point that Labour will be no more – then they will abandon ship much like the greens.

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    Favourite Creatively Maladjusted
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    Apr 18th 2012, 5:10 PM

    I guess they will Chris.
    I just find it hard to believe that the less-right-wing parties have a kamikaze style of government. In fairness to the PDs they managed to get their right-wing agenda in, which contributed massively to the bubble bursting. It doesn’t seem to me like Greens or Labour have done much agenda driving at all.
    It’s *really* hard to get any socially balanced policies voted in when the parties promoting them keep annihilating themselves.

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    Favourite Kevin O'Sullivan
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    Apr 18th 2012, 9:07 PM

    Everything is speculation – depending who you listen to or what paper you read, the rate is different. The government haven’t even figured this part out yet as its early days.

    As for rejecting treaties – according to polls, we seem in favour of it. I don’t think the government parties wish to privatize everything, but some of what they are suggesting does make sense.

    The Water Charges was unanimously backed – so yes, Labour are.

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    Apr 18th 2012, 10:27 PM

    I wouldn’t be too sure about Labour yet Kevin. I sense rumblings in the back benches, no water charges was part of their manifesto.
    Fair point, the polls look as if referendum may be passed, but it’s very early days. As far as I know Lisbon v1.0 looked like it would pass first too. I’m hoping that the same situation will occur here. I can’t really understand why the majority of people would want to enshrine a transfer of Fiscal control to Europe into our constitution.

    As for privatising, perhaps I should have said, “practically everything”. I find it abhorrent to refer to water as a commodity – a marketable product – as Enda has called it. To me that shows a neolib mindset. They are…. yet again…. asking us to put or trust in a regulator!

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    Favourite Kevin O'Sullivan
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    Apr 19th 2012, 12:00 AM

    This has been on the cards for a long time and is in the programme for government. Its been actively in the news for nearly a week. Id assume disquiet would have occurred by now.

    Its a coalition – what was in both parties manifestos goes out the window and they come to a new agreement. Some of their wishes were abandoned. No party gets it all their way and no party gets to implement the polices they may wish, or how they wish, if they are in a coalition. This is one of the sticks some people poke the government parties with about abandoning their ideas – what do you expect! Its not workable otherwise!

    I suppose we lost a lot of our independence for the greater good, since we joined Europe. No more than any other european country. The idea behind this treaty is to try prevent a fiasco where we go out of control on our spending and cause another crisis – each country cant have it their own way if they wish to work within the European Body. Their has to be a structure they all flow from to avoid problems like we have seen in this crisis. Good for Europe but bad for Ireland? Well Europe has been extremely good to Ireland. This may prevent another recession or massive debt to Ireland if Europe steps in. While their are bad points – what doesn’t have both good and bad points? We have to weigh up the pros and cons. Blindly follow Europe? Right now, for Ireland and how they tell us to run our country – its their money, so we kinda have to. For the treaty? Big risk – will Europe exclude us like they say, for future bailouts, if we say no or will we be ok? Nobody knows for sure. A lot of speculation but is monitoring our finances that big of a deal anyway?

    Re; Regulator trust. Not every regulator let us down in the last few years. Perhaps the Energy regulator will do us good here. Have to wait and see I suppose.

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