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Comment #4915707 by Josh Nolan

Josh Nolan Mar 25th 2016, 4:39 PM #

I don’t think historical revisionism is even the problem, it’s just how completely irrelevant all the people on the poster were to the Rising itself – literally none of them took part. Three had been dead for some decades before the rising and one was John Redmond.

I mean, could they not think of literally ANYONE who was present for the day?

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Activists draw over John Redmond's face on controversial College Green banner

Activists draw over John Redmond's face on controversial College Green banner

Irish language group Misneach said it defaced the banner in a protest against “revisionist propaganda”.

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    Favourite Diarmuid
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    Mar 25th 2016, 7:04 PM

    Vandalising public property…

    Not much “misneach” involved there….

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    Favourite Roland Tormey
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    Mar 25th 2016, 8:11 PM

    My grandfather fought and was injured during the First World War. We don’t know why he volunteered. Probably because he was unemployed, and maybe because Church leaders were calling for people to defend “little Catholic Belgium”. Still, it is interesting to think that he fought on the side of two democracies (France and The UK) against a non-democratic monarchy (Germany). I think it is strange that there is so much negative comment about those who followed a democratic route, while those who ignored the democratically expressed view of the people and helped cause the deaths of innocent people are held to be unquestionable. Odd.

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    Favourite P.J. Nolan
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    Mar 25th 2016, 8:55 PM

    Approximately 250,000 Irishmen fought in WW1,
    Approximately 1250 rebels fought in 1916.

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    Favourite Michael J
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    Mar 25th 2016, 9:20 PM

    Enda trying to get one over on Sinn Fein.

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    Favourite Anne Warren
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    Mar 25th 2016, 10:29 PM

    roland: I don’t know why your grandfather enlisted but I know many people, particularly the urban poor, did so because they needed to put food on the table.
    Have a look at how catholic ex-servicemen were treated in northern ireland when they returned home – after WWi, WWII and even later.
    I bet however they were treated/ostracised in the south was nothing in comparison. https://eurofree3.wordpress.com/2013/11/14/catholic-ex-servicemen-dont-count/

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    Favourite George Hogan
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    Mar 25th 2016, 10:32 PM

    @PJ
    How bizarre that Irishmen should have become embroiled in a war among European Royal families? I suppose the poverty experienced by a section of our population governed by a foreign power made it expedient to fight so that they might earn a shilling. One must take some absent comfort that their sacrifice is acknowledged in the land for which they sacrificed so much!

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    Favourite Shane Browne
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    Mar 25th 2016, 11:54 PM

    I’ve seen this banded about, the democratic route! Since when was Great Britain a democratic state in 1914? They presided over an empire that subjugated thousands of people across the globe. I don’t think anybody should kid themselves that the First World War for the British Empire was a glorious fight against the ‘non-democratic monarchy’ of Germany. They were in to insure the safeguarding of their overseas colonies as much as anything else. And if anybody wants proof of this, don’t look past the Paris Peace talks of 1919. The Irish delegates arrived striving for some kind of recognition of our self determination. With countries such as Poland, Hungary, Estonia etc. gaining independence, the British, and the USA for that matter, outright refused to acknowledge Irish sovereignty. Redmond’s call to fight for smaller nations fell on deaf ears.

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    Favourite Soinbhe Lally
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    Mar 26th 2016, 8:02 AM

    When Redmont instructed the Irish Volunteers to enlist in the British Army many of them were coerced into joining by the thuggery that was a routine tool of the Irish Party; or dismissal, or the threat of dismissal, from their jobs by Redmondite employers. The volunteers who refused to go were victimised by the forces of Irish conservativism.

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    Favourite Shane Browne
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    Mar 26th 2016, 9:30 AM

    There may have been a sense that some men were shirking their duty but after the spilt in the Irish Volunteers some 160,000 men joined the ‘Redmondite’ National Volunteers. This force was maintained at the behest of the Irish Party.

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    Favourite Brendan Walsh
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    Mar 26th 2016, 10:46 AM

    Should also be remembered that Carson and Unionists were also making overtures to Germany at this time believing Protestant Wilhelm would make a grand King of Ireland. The alliances going on were a lot more complex than made out here, while the version of Sinn Fein back then – the original Sinn Fein – wished for a dual monarchy between Ireland and Britain.

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    Favourite Steve Collins
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    Mar 26th 2016, 12:10 PM

    It wasn’t the fact the Rebellion had the support of the people,by and large it didn’t. It was when the Democratic UK (your words) started to execute the Rebels the people started to rebel.

    The fact the British and German Monarchy were related would bring into question the democratic mindset of both, They both sent thousands to their deaths.

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    Favourite Noirin Kavanagh
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    Mar 26th 2016, 12:39 PM

    Well said Shane Browne, I’m sick to death of the way 1916 is being treated by the government. The event isn’t Easter, which happens every year, or Irish Nationalism, which would have to go back to Wolfe Tone, it’s the Easter Rising that’s being acknowledged. It is so obvious they are trying to dampen down any awareness of the things those men and women fought for, because this government, and others have betrayed those values so completely. Reading the proclamation, I can see why they wouldn’t want people dwelling too much on the society we now have, 100 years on. It isn’t revisionism, it’s distraction to make us ignore u palatable truths.

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    Favourite Andy Lawrence Moore
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    Mar 26th 2016, 1:49 PM

    Germany was a Monarchic Democracy also !! Roland,, ”2 Foreign Monarchs in battle did join , each wanting his head on the back of a coin ” as old song goes !! Not Irelands battle was either of the World Wars !!

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