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Comment #1645962 by Ireland Uncensored

Ireland Uncensored Sep 30th 2013, 4:37 PM #

Luckily he has the freedom to do what he likes and sell what he wants , I dont necessarily agree with him but just as he has the freedom to do this, members of the lgbt community have the freedom not to shop there

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Dublin business owner in storm over gay cake-topper row

Dublin business owner in storm over gay cake-topper row

Paul Barnes has said his store, Daintree Paper, “does not stock any merchandise that promotes same-sex marriage”.

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    Favourite Barry
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    Sep 30th 2013, 4:40 PM

    Not just members of the LGBT community, myself and my wife certainly will never do business with this company

    You don’t have to be gay to be disgusted by backwards views like this

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    Favourite Elizabeth Walsh
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    Sep 30th 2013, 4:45 PM

    And if he was selling pro nazi themed goods would we say it’s lucky he has the freedom to sell them?
    Let’s hope not.

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    Favourite Ireland Uncensored
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    Sep 30th 2013, 4:49 PM

    Theres a huge market on ebay for nazi memorabilia , legal to sell, also you just godwin’d the thread

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    Favourite John Quill
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    Sep 30th 2013, 4:55 PM

    I came across a souvenir shop in Sicily selling miniature busts of Mussolini, nobody forced me into the shop to buy one surprisingly enough.

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    Favourite Paul Lawlor
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    Sep 30th 2013, 5:01 PM

    It is Not Illegal to Buy Sell Trade items from the Nazi era here in Ireland.It is up to the customer to either buy or keep walking.Free Democratic society!

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    Favourite JL Pagano
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    Sep 30th 2013, 5:35 PM

    Side point… Evoking Godwin is becoming just as tiresome as evoking the Nazis. Just sayin.

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    Favourite Emily Elephant
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    Sep 30th 2013, 5:39 PM

    Yeah, Nazi-Nazis.

    Oh, hang on …

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    Favourite Keith Dickinson
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    Sep 30th 2013, 5:41 PM

    @elisabeth. So you find some sort of comparison between being gay and being a Nazi. Interesting but totally fuc# up thinking.

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    Favourite Robin Pickering
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    Sep 30th 2013, 5:47 PM

    I think the comparison is between homophobes and Nazis.

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    Favourite Tony Comerford
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    Sep 30th 2013, 6:00 PM

    My thoughts exactly. I don’t agree with him bit it is his religious beliefs and he has every right not to sell anything that promotes same sex relationships. It’s a pity that things like this still happen but that’s just life and it would be very boring if everyone agreed on everything

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    Favourite Jeff Kennedy
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    Sep 30th 2013, 6:04 PM

    You either believe people have a right to self expression or you don’t ! so if you think this guy ( whether right or wrong ) can not express his belief then your an idiot or a Nazi.

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    Favourite Keith Dickinson
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    Sep 30th 2013, 6:09 PM

    @Robin. Sorry. You are correct. I miss understood. Apologies.

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    Favourite Soneps
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    Sep 30th 2013, 6:34 PM

    Im going to consciously spend 10 euro there this week. Just to pi$$ of the PC police.

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    Favourite Wobble
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    Sep 30th 2013, 7:09 PM

    Wouldn’t have thought an overpriced, understocked niche store is in a position to piss off half its customers. Of course the owner has every right blahblahblah but when this whole things reaches the bottom line, it shall be in the red.

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    Favourite Shit you not
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    Sep 30th 2013, 7:13 PM

    I certainly won’t be going near that place. It an insult to me as a person, I’m no even gay and I’m disgusted by this type of backwards thinking.

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    Favourite al shamen
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    Sep 30th 2013, 7:26 PM

    I have no problem with gay people getting married,but I am going to make it my business to shop there,to stick it to latte sipping metro leftists,demanding this innocent man’s business be shut down.

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    Favourite James
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    Sep 30th 2013, 7:47 PM

    And it’s backwards how ? On what terms ? And says who ? At the end of the day it’s down to the individual on what there own personal beliefs are…

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    Favourite al shamen
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    Sep 30th 2013, 7:52 PM

    Yeah red thumb all you want.But all you people calling for a boycott are hypocrites.You all drive cars don’t you?Where do you think the fuel comes from that powers your car.Yeah that’s right the most homophobic country on the planet;Saudi Arabia.Just another metro lefty cause that does involve real sacrifice.Pure hypocrisy.

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    Favourite Shit you not
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    Sep 30th 2013, 7:54 PM

    It’s backward because gayness isn’t about belief, it’s fact, it’s not like a make believe ghost in the sky that you have to believe to worship. Gayness isn’t a choice it is just it! Anyone that thinks they have a say in how 2 adults love their life or who they should love is an prlck.

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    Favourite Peter Richardson
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    Sep 30th 2013, 8:46 PM

    I did not know that shops which sell products sponsor, promote, encourage and support each and every aspect of the lifestyle or values associated with those products.

    I went into a book shop and asked if the bookshop had a particular book in stock. It was a book by a gay author but had nothing to do with promoting any gay agenda or life style. The female proprietor said that she did not stock such obscene material

    First it is books, them it is emblems, then it is other objects and soon you have censorious and prohibitive environment in which retailers become moral arbiters.

    The role of retailers is to sell product, not promote or prohibit according to their personal and individual notion of morality.

    Next we will see signs. ” no gay materials stocked or sold from these premises”. Would that be right or appropriate.

    Discrimination is subtle, multifarious and pervasive.

    It is not the role of retailers to form moral assessments.

    By the way just because something may be legal does not make it right. Even if the retailer is not breaking the law, it is wrong gap for him to impose his views. His next step would be to refuse to recruit gay employees in case that might be seen as promoting the gay lifestyle.

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    Favourite Derek Boyle
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    Sep 30th 2013, 8:56 PM

    What a victory for the gay community if he walks into his shop tomorrow and gathers all the staff and says sorry but after yesterdays campaign on social media I have no choice but to close down the business, btw here is statutory redundancy, best wishs and I’m sorry its 3 months to Christmas.

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    Favourite Shit you not
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    Sep 30th 2013, 9:05 PM

    That would not be the fault of the gay community, it would be his homophobic imposed on his staff and customers. Our society has no room for this. Russia has done on a larger scale what he is doing in his shop.

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    Favourite Fuh Qiu
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    Sep 30th 2013, 9:13 PM

    What about the orange pickers in apartheid South Africa? Were the Dunnes workers selfishly imposing their morality on them? It’s his shop and his choice. It’s his customers’ money and their choice where to spend it.

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    Favourite Derek Boyle
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    Sep 30th 2013, 9:13 PM

    @no shit you not, it is the fault of the current group that are bombarding this newsfeed and Daintree’s facebook page with pretty much nothing but contempt and hate for what amounts to nothing, he removed a cake topper, he’s religious big deal, he did not put a sign up saying no gays allowed, he did not discriminate againest his employee’s for there sexual orientation, he has done nothing wrong in the eye’s of the law. This is a mountain out of a molehill and the end result could be the very serious loss of jobs for how many staff?

    The people that have red thumbed my above post about what if all these staff lose there jobs kinda proves my point, this has gone beyond right and wrong, its now a witchunt to destroy a business for no other reason than conflicting moral views, nothing illegal.

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    Favourite Daffy the Bear
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    Sep 30th 2013, 9:26 PM

    Who says he’s homophobic or has anything against gays? Just because he doesn’t believe in the promotion of gay marriage doesn’t really make him homophobic.

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    Favourite Daffy the Bear
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    Sep 30th 2013, 9:28 PM

    Damn right Derek..

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    Favourite Mary Alagna
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    Sep 30th 2013, 9:42 PM

    He should’ve thought about that before he made the statement of removing the cake ornament.
    In today’s social-media driven culture, it was inevitable such an action would draw this kind of attention. I don’t blame the artist for speaking out publicly. The rest was just the natural result of social media’s prevalence.

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    Favourite W.j.d.
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    Sep 30th 2013, 10:14 PM

    Well said al…. And boy do they drive…. You cannot force somebody to believe what you believe, the man is entitled to his views and options, just as you are entitled to yours…..

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    Favourite Michael Evans
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    Sep 30th 2013, 10:40 PM

    It is indeed down to the individual to decide whether they sell Gay themed products, however it is equally down to the individual to decide if they wish to shop there!

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    Favourite Bronagh Butler
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    Sep 30th 2013, 11:17 PM

    Godwin’s law in action yet again! Never gets a break ’round here.

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    Favourite Garreth OMahony
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    Oct 1st 2013, 12:40 AM

    In response Derek.

    They came for the socialists but I did nothing because I wasn’t a socialists
    Then they came for the communists but I did nothing because I wasn’t a communist
    Then they came for the trade unionists but I did nothing because I wasn’t a trade unionist
    Then they came for the homosexuals but I did nothing because I wasn’t a homosexual
    Then hey came for me and no was left to defend me

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    Favourite Michelle Barry
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    Oct 1st 2013, 2:04 AM

    Very well said :)

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    Favourite Daddy De La Noche
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    Oct 1st 2013, 2:35 AM

    I think that’s a smart decision, avoiding bigots who are so brainwashed into hating other people is best, especially not giving them money or business so they can fund their hateful propeganda too, you and your wife are smart people.

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    Oct 1st 2013, 2:37 AM

    But if everyone agreed to treat people with respect the world would be better, it wouldn’t be boring but it would be better.

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    Favourite Emma Spaine
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    Oct 1st 2013, 3:36 AM

    Well said

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    Favourite Emma Spaine
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    Oct 1st 2013, 3:38 AM

    Are you actually relating this topic to nazis? Are you on crack??

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    Favourite Bryan Hogan
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    Oct 1st 2013, 9:45 AM

    Exactly where does it end? Religion cannot be a get out clause for everything! The Wizard of Oz said click your heels three times and you’ll be home. It never worked for me, how did any of you religious folks fare with the loaves and fishes the Bible told you about?

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    Favourite Joseph Siddall
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    Oct 1st 2013, 10:25 AM

    Gareth, complete over-reaction.
    This sort of howling is getting very boring and will, eventually, have the exact opposite of the desired effect.
    Just saying.

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    Favourite Bryan Hogan
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    Oct 1st 2013, 11:44 AM

    He’s against equal rights for homosexuals, that is equal marraige. From this I can infer he is homophobic because he values his rights higher than that of another. What happened to ‘All men are created equal’, do these religious zealots actually read the bible? We could argue the misogyny of that statement too but my train is nearly in.

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    Favourite Rob Cahill
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    Oct 1st 2013, 11:47 AM

    Yes.. Yes it does.

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    Favourite Ciaran MacAoidh
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    Oct 1st 2013, 11:56 AM

    Yeah, fight the power ya mad rebel.

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    Favourite Bryan Hogan
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    Oct 1st 2013, 8:50 PM

    It’s insidious and must be dealt with at this early stage. If there are repercussions well hopefully it will serve as a deterrent to other heterosexists, racists and misogynistics, that Ireland in 2013 has no room for this behaviour.

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    Favourite MB
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    Oct 1st 2013, 9:27 PM

    Emily Elephant, where have you been, took your time to comment ;-) I’m not being smart!

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    Favourite Paddy Manning
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    Oct 6th 2013, 10:05 AM

    Gayness has bugger all to do with Same Sex Marriage propaganda. Stupid people pretending they speak gay people are the real problem. Gaystabo do not speak for me.

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