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Comment #2155630 by Credible Alibi

Credible Alibi Feb 22nd 2014, 8:38 PM #

Tell you something, this country is rapidly becoming a tax trap. If new taxes and charges keep coming at the rate they are then it’s just gonna become a pointless exercise doing a days work, simply earning to be taxed purely to pay the debts of extremely wealthy financial sector gamblers. It’s a nonsense. This state has its hand in my pocket up to an unfair level, the return for my labours and indebtedness is rapidly becoming not worth it. Despite having a decent job with decent earnings and not being in negative equity, I’m actually being forced to consider moving on for simple fear of wasting my life paying someone else’s debts. Madness.

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"I'd rather live in a city that literally fell down than come home"

"I'd rather live in a city that literally fell down than come home"

How do emigrants see Ireland? Not in a flattering light, it would seem.

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    Favourite Joan Featherstone
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 9:00 PM

    Oh Credible that’s me and my other half, unfortunately were in our fifties so not really going to up sticks at this stage!

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    Favourite Michael
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 9:23 PM

    But how else do we pay for child benefit, social welfarism and our politicians benefits?

    Nobody can put 2 and 2 together and understand that this nightmare won’t get better without everyone being honest, productive and to not leach from society. Nothing is for free.

    It starts in the mirror.

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    Favourite John Oconnell
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 9:51 PM

    Well said what is the point of Woking hard studying for years to get your self a good job and salary and then giving most of it to the Irish government ,I say to the young people don’t waste your life paying for others mistakes and get out .

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    Favourite Dave O'Shea
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 9:53 PM

    Probably the most honest and true post I have read in a while… Hear ya barking my friend

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    Favourite Ronan Stokes
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 10:05 PM

    Until we all get on the streets and say enough is enough, nothing will change.

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    Favourite Norman Wyse
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 10:18 PM

    Well don’t move to the UK then with council tax, water charges and higher national insurance (PRSI).

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    Favourite John Dobermann
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 10:21 PM

    Good point “credible”. I am currently in the USA with work and people who have the same job as me and, I assume, a similar-ish wage have such a better quality of life. Newer cars, bigger cars, nicer house, cheaper house, more hobbies and can easily fund more hobbies (which are expensive – mountain biking, golf, rock climbing, hiking, camping….), more meals out etc etc I could go on and on. They have a better quality of life over here because taxes are lower and cost of living is cheaper than in Ireland.

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    Favourite White Fang
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 10:34 PM

    The lower taxes comes at a price though. Third level education is insanely expensive over there. Looking at 40 grand a year in most universities, and that’s just for fees. The biggest pool of debt in the country is college loans. At least here, most graduate with minimal or no debt.

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    Favourite John Dobermann
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 10:42 PM

    Actually the most expensive (Cornell) is $40K. Most are around the $10K mark a year. Still a lot but we’ll be there soon.

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    Favourite GATHERINGYOURMONEY14
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 10:48 PM

    That wont be an issue for our emigrants White Fang.
    As the majority of them have completed their 3rd level education here at home.
    “Educated in Ireland”
    “Employed (and paying taxes) in New Zealand”.

    If you need your New Zealand born kids to complete 3rd level on the cheap.
    Send them home to Ireland for a few years.
    There are plenty of foreign/ex pat kids going to Trinity UCD etc.

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    Favourite The Throwaway
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 10:52 PM

    It can start long before the mirror.

    How about transparent taxation? A flat rate of tax and that’s it. Not this farce of ‘well income tax is only 41%, that’s really good!’…and then there’s USC, Pension Related, Pension LS, Pension, and half a dozen other taxes or ‘charges’ that bring my tax up to 53-60%.

    How about an actual proper assessment of the monetary needs of the country? As it stands, and to take a current issue, nobody has been able to publish the actual costs of providing and treating water on a yearly basis by councils. In fact, they have so little clue that they still haven’t figured out how much they’re going to charge.

    What about actually defining the total pay of a politician? Not just day to day salary, oh and then pension pay, oh and then ministerial costs, oh and the constituency costs, oh and then in vouched expenses, oh and then a free driver, oh and then a secretary allowance…for christs sake there’s an actual office of civil servants working in an information service for all Members relating to salary and allowances!

    So how about people come back to me and say, “the country needs this amount of money to work. This is exactly where the money goes.”
    Then, and only then do we to ‘look in the mirror’.

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    Favourite GATHERINGYOURMONEY14
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 11:05 PM

    @ Norman Wyse.

    I know what you are saying.

    However.
    The U.K has
    Up to date insolvency valid legislation.
    100′s if not 1000′s of banks, financing companies and venture capitalists eager to fund your ideas and projects.
    And most importantly a mature capitalist, “can do” culture that encourages risk taking and dust yourself down, get up again and give it a go.
    Compare the U.K’s rich list to Ireland’s rich list.
    It makes Ireland look like a backward 3rd world country, that is used as a bit of a haven for tax dodging international companies and banks.
    Most Irish people who got on well financially, got on well in the U.K. and the U.S. etc.
    Ireland old fashioned prehistoric rules and regulations generally kill aspirations and ambitions in it’s people and youth.

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    Favourite GATHERINGYOURMONEY14
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 11:09 PM

    Sorry typos

    And most importantly a mature capitalist, “can do” “dust yourself down, get up again and give it a go”. culture that encourages risk taking and success.

    Ireland’s old fashioned prehistoric rules and regulations generally kill aspirations and ambitions in it’s people and youth.

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    Feb 22nd 2014, 11:17 PM

    Cornell isn’t the most expensive, Sarah Lawrence is. Many, such as NYU, Columbia and Dartmouth, charge 60 grand a year.

    According to the department of education, the average cost of tuition at a 4-year institution is 22 grand. For private institutions, it’s 32. That’s crazy.

    A single year of college in the US will likely cost more than the entire duration of study here.

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    Favourite seamus mcdermott
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    Feb 22nd 2014, 11:42 PM

    If you pay taxes, you should get something for your money besides more taxes. In the UK, you pay taxes, you get trash pickup, fire protection, police protection, health coverage, an OAP.
    Here you get very little, comparatively.
    Too much going to banksters debt, the kleptocracy and corporate tax breaks.
    In the US, you pay your taxes, you get looney congress, the best nuclear submarine fleet in the world, super bowl, McDonalds full strength, heart attacks, shootings and crazy police television shows, a space station and now–I still don’t believe it–affordable health care.
    But you only pay about 1/2 of what you’d pay here.
    I guess Ireland is a lifestyle choice.

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    Favourite Graham Kavanagh
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 1:37 AM

    The only thing Ireland had was a good night in the pub, but now people have been priced out of that…. Happy to stick it out here in Woodbridge , Ontario, summer nights on the deck, BBQ and Labatts Blue……

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    Favourite Leigh Walsh
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 1:49 AM

    Most people aren’t on “Social welfarism” by choice. We need to stop blaming those on the bottom and acting like it’s some sort of equality, ah sure let’s all take responsibility. No. Let those responsible take responsibility, and those who can afford to.

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    Favourite GATHERINGYOURMONEY14
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 2:20 AM

    @ White Fang
    In a countries where you are paid well,
    where employment is plentiful,
    where climbing the career/business/financial ladder is encouraged is plentiful
    where the cost of living is cheap
    would there not be plenty of surplus income /savings to pay for tuition fees?

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    Favourite White Fang
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 2:29 AM

    In short, nope. There’s a lost generation in America at the moment, trapped in an endless cycle of debts incurred by completely insane college fees. We have our mortgage crises, they have their student debt crises.

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    Favourite GATHERINGYOURMONEY14
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 2:30 AM

    It just that,
    it seems that here in Ireland at the moment,
    as you have pointed out 3rd level education seems to be cheaper for students,
    yet they are being educated for jobs that only seem to exist in far off foreign countries.

    Why should the Irish taxpayer continue to subsidise foreign workforces via our highly subsidised 3rd level education?

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    Favourite Lee Crawford McElroy
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 2:30 AM

    State schools are around $10,000. Most don’t pay sticker price for private- they get scholarships.

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    Favourite Paul Darby
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 3:52 AM

    The tax payer in Ireland is paying for students at all levels of education in Ireland.Once they get their degree they up and leave for the big money.

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    Favourite Graham Kavanagh
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 4:10 AM

    Yes, they should stay and work in Macdonalds… Ffs…

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    Favourite cutsie
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 4:31 AM

    Credible I am the exact same as you. I’m currently putting a plan in place to escape here also. I’ve no idea where to start but it has to be now or never. I can’t take anymore taxes. I’m the last of 6 siblings to go and I have to leave my mum behind. I won’t be able to look after her with my salary after the universal health charge. I’ll have nothing left over.

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    Feb 23rd 2014, 4:39 AM

    Micheal…I get nothing for my taxes….I work with people that cannot stand up for themselves and they are fcuking robbed by the same people that will give talks on human rights. This country is fcuking over. It never began…and I am centre left btw.

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    Favourite John Heffernan
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 5:33 AM

    Well said.

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    Favourite simon shewster
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 6:08 AM

    Good point Gathering, I enjoy reading your posts.

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    Favourite simon shewster
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 6:11 AM

    From my perspective, I see that Ireland educates its youth for overseas jobs as you pointed, the party hacks and gombeens end up in the well paying top positions, which is shameful.

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    Favourite Alan O'Sullivan
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 6:25 AM

    Where did you get that figure from John? You can nearly double that for some courses in Boston University

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    Favourite Geraldine Martin
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 7:43 AM

    Doberman.just don.t get sick

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    Favourite Chris Barr
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 8:57 AM

    too bad you didn’t keep going west graham lol the west coast is much better then Ontario and no mozzies lol, mind you I wet the opposite way I move to Ireland I do love it here but some things just do my head in ie the garbage on the streets, the mindless violence but the people are grand and so generous, I will always love my Canada but it aint the garden of eden either

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    Favourite Mick Jardine
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 9:49 AM

    But for that you get free healthcare (for now) what us the point of prsi Here? Ireland is far too privatized.

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    Favourite David Conroy
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 10:39 AM

    @John just don’t get ill or become homeless and you will soon see why you do not pay much tax !

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    Favourite Mary Kavanagh
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 1:23 PM

    True Credible. If these taxes were going to improve services and the quality of our lives then they might be worth it as is other countries. Here in Ireland we’re paying for the gambling debts of the already obscenely wealthy and the banks.

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    Favourite Mary Kavanagh
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 1:33 PM

    But Gatheringyourmoney, foreign students and children of Irish parents who have emigrated are not eligible for free University education here. (Free that is except for the yearly registration fee). I enquired on behalf of my sister’s children and was told that they would have to have lived here for a number of years.

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    Favourite Kevin
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 2:21 PM

    Hurts to say it but the Irish have lost their sense of pride. They’ve let the political class walk all over them for too long now, it turns my stomach. Oh yes we’ll complain but come next general election or referendum it will be “oh please sir, can I have some more?” Business as usual, I bet Manuel Borroso laughs himself to sleep thinking about how pathetic we all are. I left 4 years ago and as much as I miss my family and friends, the opportunities just don’t stack up.

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    Favourite Graham Kavanagh
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 3:01 PM

    Yeah, people tell me out West is nice, will visit someday. Went down to Newfoundland too, beautiful place, with the Irish feel. As for Ireland, its still nice to be home, but could never move back. We were there over the new year, and my son got an infection. Getting to see a doctor, and then finding a pharmacy that was open, and this is in Dublin, was a joke…. All my brother ever tells me is that there is a fee for everything, but a fck you in service…. Good old Irish service…. Only nice if you have a nice pile of cash….

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    Favourite Bella Gunning
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 6:00 PM

    US, UK, Canada and Australia offers our graduates a climate conducive to innovation and opportunities for professional growth. How can we begrudge them, when we have let them down?

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    Favourite Aidan Smith
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 9:37 PM

    It’s also the greedy line-their-own-pockets trade unions. They are a huge part of the reason why the country is a total financial and economic disaster.

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    Favourite Sean O HAodha
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    Feb 23rd 2014, 11:58 PM

    That labatts blue is only piss mind. Everything else sounded great tho

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    Favourite Graham Kavanagh
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    Feb 24th 2014, 2:46 AM

    Sure :)

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