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Comment #5949102 by David Cullen

David Cullen Mar 6th 2017, 2:10 PM #

i don’t understand how people feel they have the right to impose their view on this matter.
the women who need or want to end their pregnancy should be supported not forced to travel out of the country.

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'Get out of our lives': Call for abortion penalty to be reduced to €1 fine

'Get out of our lives': Call for abortion penalty to be reduced to €1 fine

A new bill aimed at decriminalising abortion in Ireland will be debated by the Dáil tomorrow.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 2:34 PM

    @Elle Belle: Being ridiculous only hurts your argument. I asked you about the practicalities but you’ve moved on to being facetious.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 3:12 PM

    @Elle Belle: No, I never said that people are disposable chattel and you should stop telling people what they feel or believe.
    Abortion is a fact of life. The need for it to prevent unwanted children or serious health implications for women or to save a woman having to carry an non-viable pregnancy is never ever going to go away. Backyard abortions will always happen when there is no alternative.
    Progressive societies know this and put measures in place to deal with it under law, not sweep it under the carpet and ignore it.
    There is no parallel with slavery and that again just hurts your argument.

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    Favourite Tony Daly
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    Mar 6th 2017, 3:31 PM

    @Elle Belle: in the first 10 weeks, termination is just 2 pills and a heavy menstruation discharge.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 3:43 PM

    @Elle Belle: I didn’t think the fetus was going to sprout fairy wings and flutter off into another dimension.
    Why don’t you try answering a question that I ask you? I’ve answered all of yours.
    How would you administer your suggestion that every abortion application is assessed separately and are you ok with abortion in the case of rape? I’m not continuing with ‘Whatabouttery’ charade you’re carrying on with.

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    Favourite Tricia Golden
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    Mar 6th 2017, 3:49 PM

    @Elle Belle: Let me be blunt.

    I would rather women have safe legal access to abortions than increase the numbers currently dying annually (47,000 approx.) and the numbers maimed (5 million approx. ) because of no access to safe legal abortion.

    You clearly think that banning abortion will magically stop women attempting to procure them, Surprise, surprise, it doesn’t.

    I got those figures from the World Health Organisation in case you think I made them up.

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    Favourite Tricia Golden
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    Mar 6th 2017, 3:52 PM

    @Elle Belle: And actually, based on the organisation I donated to about two weeks ago there are 27 million people in slavery worldwide…… but that’s actually IRRELEVANT TO THIS CONVERSATION!!

    Hope about you stick to the discussion at hand! Slavery is abhorrent. It is not comparable to abortion!

    You’re convincing no one by suggesting it is!

    A person with thoughts, feelings, relationships, the ability to FEEL PAIN is not the same as a 12 week fetus and it’s quite frankly insulting to people trapped in slavery for you to even make that comparison!

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    Favourite Tony Daly
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:09 PM

    @Mick Rick Jones: abortion prevents babies. It does not kill babies.

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    Favourite fitzrik
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:19 PM

    Murder, rape, theft, suicide and addiction are also facts of life. So we shouldn’t try to prevent them either?

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    Favourite Tricia Golden
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:28 PM

    @fitzrik: Are you equating abortion with murder and rape? Seriously?

    Suicide and addiction are not crimes. And we try to HELP people that suffer from suicidal ideation and addiction issues.

    Interesting that you lump those things together.

    How about we focus on abortion and not try and draw false parallels to suit our own narrative, yeah?

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:35 PM

    @fitzrik: Um, we do try to prevent them and we police them and we keep statistics on them and have special teams to deal with them.
    Just like we should for abortion.

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    Favourite Tom Burke
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:55 PM

    Tricia
    Here’s some more numbers.
    Almost 200,000 babies are aborted in England and Wales, every year.

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    Favourite Tricia Golden
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:06 PM

    @Tom Burke: And? Seriously and?

    You’re effectively saying you have no issue with 47,000 women dying annually or the 5 million that are maimed.

    You are saying that the termination of the pregnancy should take precedence. And this is where we FUNDAMENTALLY disagree.

    It is my firmly held belief that a person has the right to determine what happens to their own body and if they refuse to continue a pregnancy that decision should be respected.

    And until a fetus can be matured to viability outside of that woman’s womb than a woman’s right to abortion is her right to bodily autonomy.

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    Favourite Tony Daly
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:07 PM

    @Tom Burke: zero babies are aborted in England and Wales ever.

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    Favourite Tom Burke
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:25 PM

    Safe abortions?
    Safe for who exactly?

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    Favourite Tom Burke
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:31 PM

    I’m also all for a woman doing as she pleases to her body but not that of another.

    Do you think a woman has a right to procure a procedure to wilfully injure her foetus but not kill it?

    I assume you would say no but my next question would be why? Bodily autonomy etc.

    Is it because you recognise the foetus has stand alone rights that should be protected by law.

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    Favourite Tricia Golden
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:39 PM

    @Tom Burke: Why on earth are you raising nonsensical hypothetical situations?

    Why can you people not just stick to reality?

    I’ve made my opinion entirely clear.

    A woman’s right to bodily autonomy trumps the fetus. So until it’s possible to remove a fetus and mature it to viability without the womb you should be be FORCING WOMEN to continue a pregnancy against their wishes.

    That’s it, that’s the point.

    When if comes to choice between the rights if the fetus and the rights of the woman, the woman takes precedence.

    And don’t bring up abortions up to term because you KNOW that late term abortions happen for medical and health reasons. We’re talking about early term abortions.

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    Favourite Francis Mc Carthy
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    Mar 6th 2017, 5:41 PM

    @Tom Burke: “Safe abortions?
    Hmmmmm…Yes

    “Safe for who exactly?”
    The person who goes to procure an abortion?
    Try to keep up.

    Any luck on your search,Tom?

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    Favourite Amy M
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    Mar 6th 2017, 6:01 PM

    @David Cullen: On behalf of women, thanks. The sign of an enlightenment is empathy for others when there is no chance of being in their shoes. I am very much pro choice and yet have never had an abortion. Having it available as an option does not mean it is chose. Alcohol is for sale here too in great volumes and yet I do not buy any, that is how freedom of choice works.

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    Favourite Sue Cash
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    Mar 7th 2017, 2:49 AM

    @Tricia Golden:

    “Slavery is abhorrent. It is not comparable to abortion!”

    You’re SO right. Slavery enslaves, but abortion KILLS!
    Spot which is worse!

    “the ability to FEEL PAIN is not the same in a 12 week fetus”

    So it’s OK to kill, as long as you can administer an anaesthetic first??
    Do you just make this stuff up as you go along??????

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    Favourite Francis Mc Carthy
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    Mar 7th 2017, 7:56 AM

    “You’re SO right. Slavery enslaves, but abortion KILLS!
    Spot which is worse!”

    WOW!!!!! Only an extreme anti choicer would write that..

    We have our very own slave owners on the journal…they believe that once women become pregnant,that they MUST give birth..Well..just like the slaves were raped & impregnated by their white masters,the slaves found a way of aborting the embryo from their bodies..

    It is definitely OK for a woman to have a first trimester abortion.Studies have shown that childbirth is up to 14 times more fatal for the woman ,than her having an abortion in the first trimester.YIKES!

    It’s antis who make terrible stuff up.
    You must have never listened to Cora or Mullen’s ? Yikes!

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    Favourite Tricia Golden
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    Mar 7th 2017, 8:16 AM

    Well your uninformed Sue. A 12 week fetus doesn’t have the central nervous system required to feel pain.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 7th 2017, 10:09 AM

    @Tom Burke: For the woman.
    Remember the woman, the one whose body this is happening to?
    No, of course you don’t. Go back to worshipping the Virgin Mary.

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    Favourite Mick Rick Jones
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    Mar 31st 2017, 7:02 PM

    @David Cullen: Yeah, lets kill their babies in the womb here instead, right ? Wrong.

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    Favourite David Cullen
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    Mar 31st 2017, 7:06 PM

    yes exactly we should deal with our problems here at home not export our problem.

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