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Comment #357122 by Gavin Lawlor

Gavin Lawlor Apr 18th 2012, 10:22 AM #

Maybe if they stop poisoning people by putting the toxic chemical fluoride in our water I might think about paying for it. At the moment it’s about as good value as our overpaid politicians.

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Expect your first water bill in late 2014, says Phil Hogan

Environment minister couldn’t say how much it will cost consumers, but said a standing charge would be involved.

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Apr 18th 2012, 2:29 PM

    Nonsense. There isn’t a shred of evidence that Fluoride in water is bad for you. It has a very beneficial effect on children’s teeth. Anti-Fluoride people are in the same league as UFO nuts.

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    Favourite Gavin Lawlor
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    Apr 18th 2012, 2:54 PM

    Then why does 98% of Europe not do it anymore and why does it state on a tube of toothpaste to seek medical help if fluoride is ingested? There’s little evidence as there’s been little proper research but I would like to see this research carried out and if it proves there’s no adverse effects then well and good but there’s no need for it with decent toothpaste, toothbrushes & dentists abundant these days. I’d rather not take the chance let alone pay for it. UFO nut? No.

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    Favourite Ed Kavanagh
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    Apr 18th 2012, 3:20 PM

    William, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, and people like you that believe everything the guberment tell them are the most dangerous thing, because thats the road to concentration camps etc. Don’t be lazy and do some research. The world is at your fingertips where you will see countless of water providers are removing toxic flouride from the water supply every month. At very least go read your toothpaste tube and add 1 plus 1. Very simple.

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    Favourite Sandra Whelton
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    Apr 19th 2012, 12:52 AM

    I am not out to promote this particular site but the info on fluoridation health and environmental risk factors are well documented http://www.enviro.ie/Summary_Report_Fluoridation.pdf this report is an eye opener. Why is fluoride still being added to our water supply? And now to add insult to injury we are being asked to pay for this? Yet another ever increasing charge for sub standard, inefficient and in this case toxic supply.
    The legislation enacting mandatory water fluoridation in Ireland predates Ireland joining the European Union and currently violates over thirty existing EU Directives for consumer safety, food safety, environment and habitat protection. Apart form Ireland certain parts of the Britain remain the only other locations within Europe where water fluoridation continues despite the recent recommendations of scientific committees for consumer safety established by the European Commission. It is apparent that this continues in violation of International law, European law and National Regulations for environmental protection.

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Apr 19th 2012, 9:41 AM

    Sandra, that web site you referred to was an individual’s business web site! Maybe you can send us a link from a medical or dental web site?

    Most of Europe doesn’t fluoridate because they drink bottled water. France adds Fluoride to salt for the same purpose. Are they operating illegally?

    Why pick Europe? Most of the US and Canada and Australia Fluoridates. Chile & Brazil does. New Zealand does. Your other claims of violation of laws are nonsense. I have “researched” water fluoridation and all medical, dental and scientific bodies support it and state that there are no dangers IN THE DOSES THAT ARE used. Dose is critical. While eating a bar of soap or a tube of toothpaste would make you sick a miniscule piece would not, same with fluoridate. You can die from drinking too much water. People suffer from and can die from tooth decay and infection. Fluoride helps prevent tooth decay particularly in children and particularly the children of poor people. As I said opposition to water fluoridation is as nutty as claiming you’ve been abducted by aliens, it has no basis in fact.

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    Favourite Gavin Lawlor
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    Apr 19th 2012, 10:19 AM

    A partial report from the Harvard study, published in 2006, found that exposure to higher levels of fluoride in drinking water was linked to a higher risk of osteosarcoma in boys but not in girls. However, researchers linked to the study noted that early results from a second part of the study did not appear to match those of the report. They therefore advised caution in interpreting the report until the full results of the study become available. The full study has not yet been published.

    Why hasn’t it been published? This is from Harvard and its one of the most recent studies despite dating back 6 years. Do you think they’re all UFO nuts too?

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Apr 19th 2012, 10:25 AM

    Gavin, is that the best you can come up with? An unpublished report is utterly irrelevant. To get published in a good journal you must pass peer review. This paper hasn’t. Have a read of this http://www.skepdic.com/fluoridation.html

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    Favourite Gavin Lawlor
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    Apr 19th 2012, 11:13 AM

    The skeptics dictionary? Please. Yes this article, if its to be taken seriously, serves well your point that there are plenty of alarmists and nut cases out there but extremism works in both ways and only serves to ridicule the issue. We’re not all claiming that the government are trying to turn us into zombies. There are plenty of intelligent people concerned about this issue and I don’t think the skeptics dictionary will put their minds at ease.

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Apr 19th 2012, 12:19 PM

    Gavin, there are not intelligent, educated, scientifically trained, medically trained professionals concerned about water fluoridation. There are people who know nothing about the topic and those conspiracy theory nuts who think that the Jews blew up the World Trade Centre. Which group are you in?

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    Favourite Gavin Lawlor
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    Apr 19th 2012, 2:14 PM

    I think Jewish zombie aliens are polluting Irish water with fluoride to brainwash us all so that no questions will ever be asked about anything again but I’m not intelligent or educated enough to pick a group so you can do that William.

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Apr 19th 2012, 2:34 PM

    I’ve answered all your queries Gavin and gave you something to think about. I’ve refuted the points you made and you come back with generalisations.

    You can decide if you join the ranks of the conspiracy nuts (in the case of fluoridation they think that the fluoride is added to water to dump waste products from la la la la somewhere or other, Big Pharma probably) or you can decide to learn about these things from proper scientific sources. Your decision. Are you to be a Jim Corr or say a Dara O’Briain?

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    Favourite Ed Kavanagh
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    Apr 19th 2012, 2:42 PM

    William it says it on the tube. Not youtube. Your tooghpaste tube. You can read any website you want but the manufacturer is telling you straight. Do not ingest fluoride because it’s toxic. It says rinse thoroughly. Read it on the tube. So if you think drinking it everyday is in somehow good for your teeth when you brush it on anyway then you are just burying your head in the sand. You can hide this fact. Its a toxic substance. Its not not toxic because it diluted. No conspiracy. Just fact.

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Apr 19th 2012, 3:37 PM

    Ed, you obviously were referring to yourself with the comment, “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”.

    Please quote the exact words on your tooth paste tube and I’ll tell you why they are there and what they mean. You hardly think eating a whole tube of tooth paste, bar of soap, bottle of Radox, package of Dishwasher Powder or otherwise is good for you? On the other hand the amount of fluoride in a litre of tap water is so small that it is totally harmless. It’s about .7 milligrams which is less than 1/1,000 of a gram or 1,000,000 of a kilogram i.e. ONE MILLIONTH of a Kilogram, too small to see. Fluoride occurs naturally in water, higher in some places and lower in others. You do know there’s Chlorine in your water too? Why are you not worried about that? There’s also Dihydrogen Monoxide which can kill in large doses.

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Apr 19th 2012, 3:45 PM

    PS Here’s a data sheet on Dihydrogen Monoxide:

    it’s called “hydroxyl acid”, the substance is the major component of acid rain.
    contributes to the “greenhouse effect”.
    may cause severe burns.
    is fatal if inhaled.
    contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
    accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
    may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
    has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

    Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
    as an industrial solvent and coolant.
    in nuclear power plants.
    in the production of Styrofoam.
    as a fire retardant.
    in many forms of cruel animal research.
    in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
    as an additive in certain “junk-foods” and other food products.

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Apr 19th 2012, 3:50 PM

    PS From the National Cancer Institute in the US

    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/fluoridated-water

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    Favourite Ed Kavanagh
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    Apr 19th 2012, 3:54 PM

    The one I have here says “Do not swallow” Obviously because it so beneficial to ingest and “Rinse thoroughly” It also says that children under six should have adult supervision and use pea size amount also because its harmless in the same way as leaving kids with and Bulldog or Stanley blade is good for them. So not to be too paranoid about it, but I would hazard a guess on that evidence alone that its bad for you to ingest everyday. Because its a toxic substance. And no it doesn’t matter how much you take. Its toxic. So you keep drinking away coz the government says its OK. Don’t ever say you wern’t warned. And if you get the balls to use your own mind then research what fluoride was used for in prison camps but you will say its a I conspiracy..I will keep drinking my crystal clean filtered h2o the way god intended it to be and when I want medication I will go to the doctor and request it with my own free will.

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    Favourite William Grogan
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    Apr 19th 2012, 5:16 PM

    Ed, I’ve already pointed out that soap isn’t good to eat. A whole tube of toothpaste isn’t dangerous because it’s got fluoride, it’s because it’s got soapy stuff! You say, “ I would hazard a guess on that evidence alone that its bad for you to ingest everyday”. But your uneducated guess hardly stacks up to nearly 100 years of fluoridation research, does it?

    All substances are toxic. It’s the dose that counts. Drinking water that’s fluoridated is not dangerous. I’ve referred you to medical related web sites that clearly state that. You better not live in Essex because the water there has enough natural fluoridation that it doesn’t need fluoridation.

    Funny but filtered or distilled pure water is actually bad for you. The filtration takes out other minerals you need.

    PS There’s no god so god didn’t intend anything and even if he exists why did he put fluoride in all water anyway, just not enough in most?

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