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Comment #332705 by Karl Harty

Karl Harty Apr 1st 2012, 9:36 AM #

There probably is a cure but the sickness industry is worth too much money to put it out there. So they have a choice to keep charging outragous prices for the medication they use to fight the battle against cancer or cure people. But believe me the huge multi billion euro/ dollar pharmacueticals dont want to cure people. Roll on the red thumbs

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Explainer: Why can’t we cure cancer?

Explainer: Why can’t we cure cancer?

We pour millions into cancer research. So where is it actually getting us?

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    Favourite Ross Bowe
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    Apr 1st 2012, 9:53 AM

    Eh no there’s not. Go and study it yourself before making stupid claims like that.

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    Favourite Steve Jackman
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    Apr 1st 2012, 9:56 AM

    Conspiracy theory my friend (and one of the more stupid ones at that).

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    Favourite Studenty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:03 AM

    To be honest you’re both right. what is said above is true re the fact it’s really dozens of different diseases but at same time big pharma has a vested interest. they need disease.

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    Favourite David Keeley
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:04 AM

    Ahhh Karl. I nearly made a long winded reply to this one…..then I remembered what day it was. A bit of a tasteless April fools joke through eh?

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    Favourite Gerard Murphy
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:04 AM

    Karl, seriously, lose the tinfoil brain shield.

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    Mute Debi-Nikita Rathbone-Rentzke
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:08 AM

    Hi Karl, I think that you may be onto something there, it’s also the same with diet industry. Apparently they do have something out there that can cure weight issues and make fat people thinner, but the pharmaceutical companies make billions of money by having all these diet pills and other concoctions, and would loose if they actually sold this medicine that could help fight obesity..
    It’s all about money!!!

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    Favourite Micheal Adrian Stanley
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:12 AM

    Karl,
    I’m hoping your comment was made in light of April Fools day?!

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:19 AM

    sorry folks no aprils fool joke. its my honest opinion. look at the studies???? sure who pays for the studies???? its the big pharmas and they pick and choose what gets made known in the public domain. so the studies are a joke. the sick industry is the number 1 industry in the world. it makes the oil industry look like a corner shop. wake up people

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:24 AM

    so far debi we are the only ones making a valid arguments. im not bein tasteless at all. id love for a cure for cancer as does everyone. so the comment by whats his name about making stupid comments should take a good look at it himself.

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:27 AM

    go easy on yourself paul.

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    Favourite Ross Bowe
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:35 AM

    Wow you clearly have no idea about what drives sick industry profits. They still need people to be alive if they’re to make money so people dying of cancer isn’t really as much use to them as say a person with AIDS. Again I urge you to go and read some papers and some medical books on cancer and you will see just how wrong you are. You show that you have no idea about the disease and probably haven’t even read the above article in which they explain that it’s far more than one disease. If they don’t want to cure cancer then why are cancers like breast cancer, which has a huge incidence, achieving such high cure rates?? You’re just another example of people thinking their opinion is worth something despite knowing next to nothing about the subject.

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    Favourite Kitalpha
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:36 AM

    I agree with you Karl 100% There is no money in a cure. Google Run From The Cure by Rick Simpson. His website Phoenix Tears has an impressive amount of stories from people who say their cancer has been cured with hemp oil. In light of the fact they are also trying to patent THC I believe there is something in it. Its one of the oldest medicines known to man, its a plant, and its illegal.

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    Favourite Mark Downes
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:49 AM

    I initially thought this comment must be a April fools prank until I saw your confirmation that it wasn’t.

    “There probably is a cure” – this statement shows you either haven’t read or do not understand the article. There are far too many cancer variants, requiring vastly differing treatments for there to be any one “cure”.

    These conspiracy theories make no sense. If “big pharma” is as ruthlessly profit-focused as you say, and I’ve no doubt they are, they would be highly incentivised to bring to market as many effective cancer treatments as possible. Withholding them makes no business sense. On the contrary, they would actually bring them straight to market without proper clinical trials if they thought they’d get away with it.

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    Favourite Micheal Adrian Stanley
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:54 AM

    Karl and the Naysayers,

    I hope you have medical, biomedical, bioinformatic, genetic, molecular, and biological data to support your “theories”.

    As one of the people who apparently prevent cancer cures, (geneticist by trade), I can only laugh at those theories.

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:55 AM

    i know plenty and have read plenty about the subject but ye are not opening your eyes at all. think about it.

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 11:07 AM

    michael its my belief from what i have studied i dont need supporting data to back me up. where is your supporting data to help you? oh right its probably all backed up by the big pharmas as i call them.

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 11:10 AM

    mark if they cured everyone then they wouldnt make money which is what the sickness industry is all about

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    Favourite Kitalpha
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    Apr 1st 2012, 11:27 AM

    Believe it or not, a Harvard study released on April 17, 2007 shows that the active ingredient in marijuana, THC, cuts tumor growth in common lung cancer in half and significantly reduces the ability of the cancer to spread!

    Researchers at Harvard tested the chemical THC in both lab and mouse studies. They say this is the first set of experiments to show that the compound, THC actually activates naturally produced receptors to fight off lung cancer. The researchers suggest that THC or other designer agents that activate these receptors might be used in a targeted fashion to treat lung cancer.

    Although a medical substitute of THC, known as Marinol, has been used as an appetite stimulant for cancer patients and other similar treatments, few studies have shown that THC might have anti-tumor activity.

    *HERE IS THE INTERESTING PART* The only clinical trial testing THC as a treatment against cancer growth was a recently completed British pilot study. For three weeks, researchers injected standard doses of THC into mice that had been implanted with human lung cancer cells, and found that tumors were reduced in size and weight by about 50 percent in treated animals compared to a control group. There was also about a 60 percent reduction in cancer lesions on the lungs in these mice as well as a significant reduction in protein markers associated with cancer progression.

    http://www.nowpublic.com/thc_marijuana_helps_cure_cancer_says_harvard_study

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    Favourite Faceless Man
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    Apr 1st 2012, 11:28 AM

    “I don’t need supporting data to back me up…” enough said.

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    Favourite Micheal Adrian Stanley
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    Apr 1st 2012, 11:32 AM

    Karl,

    My data is supported by ICHEC, PubMed, NCBI, and my work is not supported by the “big pharmas”, but by IRCSET through the Wellcome fund and Sanger centre in the UK.

    Let me give you some food for thought:
    It is generally accepted that pharmaceutical companies would cut any corner available to get a drug onto the market. This is bolstered by the fact that the most legislated sector in the world is the general pharmaceutical trade. This is why the WHO have consistently revised their Helsinki Declaration in relation to preventing clinical trials being abused by these companies.

    The research trade does not make money. In fact, it is the only sector in the world where the bigger the financial loss, the more work is being carried out. Research is a black hole, which pharmaceutical companies would prefer not exist.

    When a new drug comes on the market, the manufacturer is relying on patents to protect that drug/treatment, so they can make back the vast sums of money spent in the development stage. Pfizer’s Lipitor is a prime example of this. (research that).

    The main reason as to why cancer has not been cured yet, is because, as has been mentioned, cancer isn’t one disease. It’s a whole vast array of diseases, with a whole vast array of mitigating conditions, management methods, treatment methods.

    Karl, your statement (I believe, therefore I don’t need any supporting data), is why the Doctors Trial was established post WWII.

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    Favourite Jake Behan
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    Apr 1st 2012, 11:48 AM

    Is it possible that big pharma is holding back a single cure for cancer – they might be, they surely have the ethics to do so. Just look at how the male contraception isnt on the market.

    Do I think they are? No. Cancer is very complicated it’s colonial expansion on overdrive with different causes, defunct base pairs, hereditary, or external stimulus. With thousands of different receptors for different types that there cannot be one cure. And the way that science is funded and researched you and anybody else can read the research paper which will state clearly yes or no was this treatment viable.

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    Favourite Ciaran Cosgrove
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    Apr 1st 2012, 12:18 PM

    Cop on

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    Favourite Mark Downes
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    Apr 1st 2012, 12:52 PM

    “If they cured everyone then they wouldnt make money” This is a standard conspiracy nut-job assertion which you’ve picked up somewhere but for which you have no supporting arguments. Like most such unsupported assertions, this appears at first to be counterintuitive. But on closer inspection, we find that it’s complete bullshit.

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 1:01 PM

    Michael you do know doctors have been given perks for years from big pharmas to promote their drugs? Your support still doesnt prove me wrong. And to the innocents who just say enough said or cop on go away and come back when you have something real to say. At least michael is coming back with some sense.

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    Favourite Yvonne Murphy
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    Apr 1st 2012, 1:27 PM

    Fools day = one fool out to play

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 2:59 PM

    Ross in your first comment you disagree with me and in your second comment you back me up. Which side of the fence are you on? I know they need people to be alive but they also need them to be sick. I think its you that has no idea.

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    Favourite Stephen D
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    Apr 1st 2012, 4:02 PM

    I heard the CIA cured cancer in the late 1950s but accidentally blew up all their records when they were destroying the sets they faked the moon landing on; since then they’ve been spraying chemicals on us from airliners and via flouride in our water in order to try and recreate the treatment. True story.

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    Favourite David Robert Grimes
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    Apr 1st 2012, 4:49 PM

    Karl, I hate to mince words so I’ll just come out with it – your stance is idiotic. Mr. Freeman has already explained in detail cancer is an entire class of disease and restrained neoplasms and yet here you are advancing a theory that a 6 year old could tear apart.

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    Favourite Micheal Adrian Stanley
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    Apr 1st 2012, 7:05 PM

    Karl,

    Rather unfortunately for you, I know a lot about what goes on in medicine. My better half is a practicing doctor.

    Yes, in “some” cases, it is true, doctors can be bought by the drug trade, in “most” cases, it is decided by the drug. IE, how good is it, how long does it take to work, what are the side effects.

    Your theory that drug companies are trying to hide “the cure”: a known fact: most research into cancer is carried out, not by companies, but by universities. It is PhD students, post doc students, lecturers, and tutors. To suggest that they might hide the truth is, well, quite frankly, an insult to the profession.

    Your argument is extremely immature, (akin to that of a 4 year old), your theories are an insult to the extremely hard work that does go on in the fight against cancer, and your power over the English spelling is nothing short of foul.

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    Favourite Breda Copley Slevin
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    Apr 1st 2012, 7:37 PM

    Karl you are perfectly right in what you are saying, here are some web addresses for those who have unfortunately not heard of the cures, for them to go and check it out for themselves. I pray to God that I never get cancer ( unfortunately a lot of my family have died of cancer and again unfortunately I did not have the knowledge I have now to help them which is something I have to live with, but hopefully having the knowledge now will help someone in the future. I would love to have to never use this knowledge and no will get cancer again but sadly the will not be the case) but if I did get cancer I would go for the Gerson theraphy and not the route of surgery or chemo or radiation.

    Here are the website. gerson.org

    Also look up Dr Schultz, he has cured just about any ailment you can think of including cancer.

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    Favourite Ross Bowe
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    Apr 1st 2012, 7:46 PM

    http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/DietandNutrition/gerson-therapy

    How dare you come on this page and peddle the crap from this institute of charlatans. You should be ashamed of yourself.

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:15 PM

    ross if this wasnt a public page for people to be free express their views then i would understand your last comment. i didnt read anything saying that i could only post comments that you agree with so i posted MY opinion which i am quite entitled to do.
    michael as i said above i this is my opinion which im entitled to. now my bad spelling comes from a learning disability called dyslexia so please dont insult me for trying to involve myself in the public domain. i never said anything personaly insulting to you but if thats how you get off well then thank god i dont personally know you because that type of person is pretty disgusting

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    Favourite Breda Copley Slevin
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:30 PM

    Well said Karl.

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:48 PM

    thank you breda. too many muppets on here just wanting to flex their intellectual mucsles to make them feel good about themselves because they have insecurities about them selves

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    Favourite Breda Copley Slevin
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    Apr 1st 2012, 10:57 PM

    ;) Karl

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    Favourite Ross Bowe
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    Apr 2nd 2012, 12:15 AM

    My comment was directed at Breda and anybody else who recommends the false treatments and bullshit mantra peddled by money making charlatans who give cancer patients false hope while taking their money.

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    Favourite Karl Harty
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    Apr 2nd 2012, 12:37 AM

    which is what the big pharmas do ross…. again which side of the fence are you on?

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