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Comment #6823390 by gjpb

gjpb Jan 4th 2018, 9:57 AM #

great, let’s hope it includes everyone – men on women, women on men, men on men and women on women.

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New national survey to examine sexual harassment in workplace

New national survey to examine sexual harassment in workplace

The last SAVI report, which was commissioned 16 years ago, is to be updated.

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    Favourite Fiona deFreyne
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    Jan 4th 2018, 9:59 AM

    @gjpb: SAVI 1 did that and a similar methodology will likely be used in SAVI 2.

    What did you think of the findings in SAVI 1?

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    Jan 4th 2018, 10:09 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne: it was produced 16 years ago at a time when I had zero interest in issues like this.

    I can review a doc that is 16 years old if you want to discuss it but maybe let’s wait until the new more up-to-date report is published.

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    Jan 4th 2018, 10:14 AM

    @gjpb: it might have helped if you had reviewed its methodology before posting your 2018 comment.

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    Jan 4th 2018, 10:19 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne:
    let’s not assume the new report will just follow the same methods as the old one. surely there has to be some changes considering how society has changed over the past 16 years.

    I just said I hoped the new report includes everyone. considering the current trend where everything is blamed on men/minimal focus on issues impacting men, I think my comment is very relevant.

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    Jan 4th 2018, 10:33 AM

    @gjpb: SAVI 1 methodology needs to be used for comparison with SAVI 2.

    The methodology in SAVI 1 was not confined to one gender of perpetrator. I don’t see why the second Report would be confined to male heterosexual violence against women however predominant that may be as the most common form of sexual violence.

    SAVI 2 is to be welcomed. It has been declined for too long.

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    Jan 4th 2018, 10:43 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne: I welcome it too. I said that in my first comment.

    As I said above, there is a trend today to blame men for all of the worlds woes and to ignore issues impacting men. That’s why I think its important to mention that the report should focus on everyone

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    Jan 4th 2018, 10:49 AM

    @gjpb: the SAVI 1 Report did not scapegoat men. I don’t see why you are concerned that SAVI 2 will scapegoat men. It is a measurement exercise.

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    Jan 4th 2018, 10:51 AM

    @Fiona deFreyne: due to today’s current trends of ignoring men’s issues.

    How many times does that have to be repeated.

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    Jan 4th 2018, 11:31 AM

    @gjpb: I’m addressing SAVI. You have a general victimization grievance. That’s a separate issue.

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    Favourite Jed I. Knight
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    Jan 4th 2018, 12:11 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: It’s my understanding that the methodology of SAVI1 was deeply flawled and this was widely acknowledged at the time. The researchers took it upon themselves to knowingly phrase questions that would result in skewed outcomes, a technique pioneered by Mary Koss and also used in the European FRA report.
    Koss was a feminist reacher who decided the unbiased government surveys weren’t giving her the results she wanted so set up her own and adjusted the methodology to give the results she wanted.
    Examinations of her surveys showed that about three quarters of the women she considered raped didn’t consider themselves to have been raped and almost half continued to have sex with their alleged rapists after the supposed rape and continued dating them. She admitted this and the flaws in 1992.
    Therefore the resulting SAVI report showing that 42% of irish women and 28% of Irish men reported some form of sexual abuse or assault in their lifetime is realistically false and seriously flawed at best.

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    Jan 4th 2018, 12:46 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne:
    i’m certainly not a victim and don’t see myself that way unlike our feminazi friends.

    i’m speaking about SAVI 2 (the report that the article is about) and what I want to make sure is included in it.

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    Favourite Paul Coughlan
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    Jan 4th 2018, 1:45 PM

    @Fiona deFreyne: are you Party to the way savi2 will be rolled out.

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    Jan 4th 2018, 10:52 PM

    @gjpb: it won’t because men won’t report it. As usual this will be all about women and anyone who dares speak up will be attacked by the Fionas

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