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Comment #5949083 by Censored

Censored Mar 6th 2017, 2:04 PM #

Get out of our lives….. says the Nanny State Communist

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'Get out of our lives': Call for abortion penalty to be reduced to €1 fine

'Get out of our lives': Call for abortion penalty to be reduced to €1 fine

A new bill aimed at decriminalising abortion in Ireland will be debated by the Dáil tomorrow.

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    Favourite Censored
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    Mar 6th 2017, 2:35 PM

    Lol, true. Hypocrites

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 3:28 PM

    @Elle Belle: Who asked you to pay for their abortion? Is it money so, is the issue for you, and not the morality?

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    Favourite Tony Daly
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:04 PM

    @Elle Belle: okay I now see your point. It’s just about who pays. We can work on that.

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    Favourite Andy Wallace
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:17 PM

    I agree with Elle here. If you want to have an abortion for any other reason then medical or criminal. Then you pay for it.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:19 PM

    @Elle Belle: Lighten up? Ok, sorry, I didn’t realise you were having a little chuckle at all the people so deluded they think that this medical procedure should be administered in the same way as all the other medical procedures.
    When you hear of a man getting a vasectomy is your first thought ‘I better not have paid for that!”?
    If not, why not?

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    Favourite Tony Daly
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:21 PM

    @Elle Belle: are you away from the money angle now? Are you back to the religion?

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:22 PM

    @Elle Belle: No, it isn’t, because the majority of abortion candidates are young, single and poor.
    So you can pay for the abortion now or you can pay the Childrens Allowance, the social housing, the social security payments for 18 years and maybe the free legal aid when they grow into socially disadvantaged teenagers getting into trouble.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:22 PM

    @Andy Wallace: What if you already have a medical card? Or you’ve been paying VHI or years?

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    Favourite Andy Wallace
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:25 PM

    A vasectomy isn’t currently illegal so that’s a silly argument. Medical and criminal case should be covered under a medical card yes. I Am also sure vasectomy is not free in this country.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:29 PM

    @Andy Wallace: The legality isn’t the issue here; it’s who is paying for the procedure.
    Man has procedure on his reproductive organs = medical procedure and nobody asks who pays.
    Woman has procedure on her reproductive organs = medical procedure also and should be treated the same. That’s my point.

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    Favourite Andy Wallace
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:29 PM

    VHI is private insurance so that up to the insurance company. I doubt they will cover it.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:30 PM

    @Andy Wallace: If you have VHI or a medical card it’s likely covered – same as any other procedure. Why would you make pregnant women go a separate payment route?

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    Favourite Daisy Daisy
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:35 PM

    @Elle Belle: I pay for smokers to get chemo for lung cancer and alcoholics to get dialysis and new livers, wasters who’ve abused their bodies for years, get there are no antichoice campaigns to stop taxpayer funds treating these careless, self inflicted illnesses. If taxes can pay for drunks to get a second liver, then they can pay for women to have abortions I’m a clean, safe, legal environment.

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    Favourite Andy Wallace
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:36 PM

    You can get your tubes tide as I can get a vasectomy. Abortion is currently illegal and I have no say weather or not you go to England and get one if I Am the father. Who is getting discriminated against?

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    Favourite Andy Wallace
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:39 PM

    What medical procedures Niamh? You can’t just say I want a procedure done here’s my card.

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    Favourite Mick Rick Jones
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:40 PM

    @Elle Belle: How exactly is abortion “safe” ? The baby is killed by abortion every single time.

    Brid Smith’s church bashing Tuam agenda is so obvious. Because the Catholic Church is bravely opposing abortion of babies to death, pro aborts like Smith attack it.

    Using the Tuam tragedy to do so, is despicable.

    Bottom line, Brid Smith and AAA/PBP support babies being aborted.

    In UK abortion mills, aborted babies are dumped, trashed, incinerated for heating, and n the U.S. , , Planned Parenthoods sells them for profit.

    This is the abortion industry which Smith, Coppinger, Daly want brought here. Dead aborted babies is the result.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:42 PM

    @Andy Wallace: Thing is, Andy, if you insist that she have your baby, even though she doesn’t want it, who is being discriminated against then?

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:45 PM

    @Andy Wallace: All medical procedures, Andy, which are between the patient and the doctor. They can sort that out between them.

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    Mar 6th 2017, 4:54 PM

    That’s a bit of a catch 22 isn’t it. At the moment however you have that option regardless of what I say to travel so I’d say currently I Am being discriminated against. Ah yes however you forget VHI are a private company and will not cover abortion. The waiting list for medical cards will be more then 9 months it’s logisticaly crazy to expect the Irish hospital system to cope. They can’t do as it is

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    Mar 6th 2017, 8:30 PM

    Mick, following clerical sexual abuse, rape, buggery, sodomising of children, and the Magdalene launderies, the Catholic Church has lost all credibility. Would you listen to an organisation of lay people who’d done such horrific deeds?

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    Favourite Pat Patovic
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    Mar 7th 2017, 1:57 AM

    @Mick Rick Jones: 9 out of 10 wars were in the name of god. Religion is the biggest cause of death so far yet there you are, copy pasting the same bigoted lunatic response all over this discussion.

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    Favourite Niamh Kenneally
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    Mar 7th 2017, 10:02 AM

    @Andy Wallace: You’re being discriminated against by nature because you don’t have a womb. You can’t expect women to hand over the autonomy of their wombs to men to make up for that.

    I’d bet my bottom dollar that the VHI would pay for an abortion for medical reasons.
    I don’t understand your point on medical cards – you wouldn’t expect someone with a disability who can’t work but needs an operation to come up with the money themselves – it gets covered by the public system. Same as someone without the means to pay for their asthma medicine gets covered a woman without the means to pay for an abortion would get covered. There wouldn’t be a separate channel for them to make their own way. The system could cope just fine; it already copes with the myriad of miscarriages that happen per day.

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