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Comment #745553 by Richie Brennan

Richie Brennan Nov 22nd 2012, 1:26 AM #

Both pro choice and pro life are making me sick at the moment. They are both jumping on and making the most of this poor mans grief to further their own goals.

I honestly do not believe it is getting us any closer to legislation that is desperately needed in this country. Legislation that will clarify for any and all medical practitioners exactly what the legal position is to be.

To the pro life lobby I say if the legal position truly is that clear why the reaction to the government putting it into an Act of the Oireachtas? This is a republic and we are entitled to any legal clarity we desire.

To the pro choice lobby, there is a real risk that this could backfire. After all the anger which is very real and justified there must be a constructive approach. There are no findings or conclusions from this tragedy yet. If Savitas Law is to become a reality it will only be done on the basis of fact.

While I may not be particularly religious I find it unpalatable the amount of ridicule people are made to feel for their religious beliefs. It does not strengthen the argument and all too often can detract from it. To ridicule like this does not as some might like to believe make you more liberal.

We all demand the facts, for conclusions to be drawn and acted on but we need the actual facts of this case first.

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    Favourite Shanti Om
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    Nov 22nd 2012, 1:52 AM

    http://corkfeminista.com/2012/11/21/press-release-galway-pro-choice-were-approached-by-savitas-friends/

    In terms of the having respect for the mans wishes, and those of her family and friends, the pro choice side are merely doing what he asked. To ensure that this never happens again and that his wife will not have died in vain.

    Can’t speak for the pro life side.. I don’t think he ever contacted them. I wonder if he did ask the life institute to stop using his wife’s name and situation in their campaign efforts would they stop? Not that they should have to, just wondering if “out of respect” they would..

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    Nov 22nd 2012, 3:03 AM

    @ shanti

    I really do commend those friends who approached your organisation, such friendship is invaluable.

    On the issue of how pro life campaigners might use Savita’s name, I would hope with absolute respect and according to the wishes of her family.

    But here is the issue, and I direct this equally at both pro life and pro choice campaigners; without any facts established from this tragic case, where exactly do we go from here? How do we affect change in this country? How do we ensure that Irish law is representative of Ireland in 2012?

    Change must be made on the basis of fact and reason, and any argument must be made on the same basis. My fear at present is that in the face of such unimaginable grief we will once again be left waiting for another 20 years. Surely that option regardless of where you stand on this issue is simply not an option.

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    Nov 22nd 2012, 3:59 AM

    Richie, we need more people than think like you.

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    Nov 22nd 2012, 10:24 AM

    @Richie I think Peter Richardson’s post above spells it out quite clearly what needs to be done.

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    Nov 22nd 2012, 2:08 PM

    @paul

    Not sure which of Peters posts you refer exactly but I have no problem with Peters analyse of these issues.

    This is an issue that is way to important not to get right. But, I do fear that the issue can be sidetracked and descend into a shouting match with the result of nothing achieved.

    It should be obvious to all involved that to succeed people must be convinced by the force of your factual argument.

    There are a number of enquiries still to be held and until they are, people in general will continue to hide away from the facts and not challenge their own points of view.

    This needs to be done with people as informed as they possibly can be. We constantly need to challenge ourselves and our views which we may have held for many years. If we do not the status quo will remain and again I say that cannot be an option for either the pro choice or pro life campaigns.

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    Nov 22nd 2012, 6:47 PM

    @ Richie – may I point out for the sake of clarity. This is not my organisation. I merely saw this post tweeted by the organisation and felt I should share it.

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    Nov 22nd 2012, 7:29 PM

    @Shanti

    Apologies, not sure where I got that idea.

    Most certainly was not an attempt to try and show you as being pro or anti anything. You can more than speak for yourself.

    Glad you did decide to share it!! And especially hope that we (the public) are provided with a lot more information as soon as possible on this tragic case.

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    Nov 22nd 2012, 8:45 PM

    No apologies necessary. I just said that to ensure that I was not taking credit for something I have no part in. I respect those who are, but credit should go to where it is due :)

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